March 2012 chemo
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TrailGirl Are you doing any pain medication? It really really helped me get through those 3-4 days. I took hydrocodone round the clock, every 4 hours. I'm about to go into Taxol #4. Taxol #3 was slightly less painful than #1 and #2, though I realize we are all different. Take care xxo
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KCB- I didn't loose all my hair either, but I do have bald patches that I hope start filling in. Very few foods have taste, but mines not moss more like a rusty nail. Which would probably taste better and help my iron levels.
TrailGirl-Sorry Taxol 2 was so hard. I feel for you because I DREAD going for #2 one was hard enough. I told my DH "I don't want to play this game anymore". I just wanted to be knocked out for 4 days.
Went to DH family reunion today. You would think after 18 years of being married I could remember who all those people are. I did enjoy a nice walk around the lake with my BIL's girlfriend, made my legs feel much better.
If you find my house elf..he needs to come home and clean please. I don't want to.
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Hey gals - just checking in from the road. NOLA was a short trip. Honestly, it just isn't that fun w/kiddos...and the heat doesn't make you want to just stroll around and explore. We did do a few touristy things - the National WW II Museum (DH could have stayed there ALL day), and the big Aquarium there. Didn't have a good food experience in the Quarter, the place we picked just was not great. Anyway, with the crowds, the heat, and the kids, we decided just to cut it short and hit the road...on the Mississippi Gulf Coast now. Had a nice dinner at a seafood restaurant on the deck overlooking the ocean. DH took the kids to go strolling on the beach and they are still in the pool. I think they may be kicked out soon; it's getting late. The beach here is very different/not as crowded as FL - and you can walk for miles (it seems) into/toward the ocean and it is very shallow.
Lost - I have yet to NOT have to shave my legs - ugh - I really think all the hair on my head wouldn't have gone had I not done it myself, but oh well, it would have been very mangy. If you find that house elf, send him to my house while I am gone so it will be clean when I get back.
TG -
( (((hugs))) I sure hope you get to feeling better.
KCB - moss, yum. Not. My mouth is still very sensitive after last A/C...I can taste again but I take a really long time to eat. Plus the Celexa I am now on gives me horrible dry mouth. It's like I have no saliva.
Love - congrats!!
Kim - hope Dad continues to improve...I know it is slow going.
Ok, well, I am off to plan what will do tomorrow -we can't go to the condo til Tuesday so we have a day just to hang about. It is another 4 hours onto our destination so we may head a little further east or we may just sit tight and explore around here.
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Hi all,
KCB, Lost, kltb04- I'm with you guys, not all my hair fell out. I still have some eyebrows, arm hair, and eyelashes (although I finally gave up mascara as it seemed I was putting more on my skin and I looked like a racoon). Anything I shaved just stayed shaved though, it did not grow back which was nice.
Trailgirl- sorry it is sucking so much but I think this thread helps with the suck. There were days I felt like I had been hit by a car but it helped to read I was not alone and that others had made it through. I sure hope you start feeling better.
I am very excited. I rode my horse for the first time since chemo started today! I didn't realize how much I missed it (and her). Also Tuesday I go to the MO JUST FOR A CHECK-UP! And we (DH and I) are going to ride our motorcycles there! I do have surgery the 15th and then 6 weeks or rads, but I am trying not to think of that too much.
Hope tomorrow brings SE free days to all,
Corky
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Kam...yes I'm using Vicodin round the clock for the pain, but some days it just doesn't do enough. The harder stuff makes me toss my cookies.
Lost...I told my DDP the same thing...why can't they put us in a coma for 4-5 days to get thru the SE's???
Tellie...this thread does help a lot! I hate to say it like this, but I'm glad there are others feeling as crappy as I am. I know that didn't come out right,but I know you know what I mean.
My wish for us all...sleep well and wake up on the other side of these SE's tomorrow. And thanks for all the hugs, much needed and appreciated. -
Good morning ladies! Another week! Where did the weekend go? Finally have more energy after treatment last week. I like my Thursday treatment better than Tuesday, glad I am getting back on schedule next time! Just seems to work out better with working etc. I spent the weekend going back and forth to the hospital to visit my dad and takomg care of my mother - it is no fun when both of your parents need help. Oh well, just part of getting older I guess and it does give me something else to focus on! LOL Though I would much rather focus on laying on a beach with a hot cabana boy bringing me cold adult beverages! Someday ! LOL
Hope everyone has a great day with minimal SE!
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Well here we are at the beginning of the week! Good luck to all having treatments!
Still haven't found that house elf.
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My elf probably took one look at my house and quit. Due to last weeks holiday my new chemo day is Tuesday and has totally threw me out of whack. I've been doing Mondays for so long I'm lost. Weird how something that trivial has thrown me. Tx 3 of Taxol tomorrow the I will at least be in the single digits with 9 left.
Trail- sorry #2 sucked so bad. 1 was worse for me. I do notice the weakness building up in me though. Who is your doctor out here?
Good luck to all of us this week. We're all slowly getting to the finish line here. We've come a long way from those scared witless women in march. -
Did anyone else on here have a bone scan? Mine came back with 3 indeterminate abnormalities that they will look at during their group meeting on Thursday and get back to me. A little freaked out.
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tellie- I had one before I started chemo. My MO didn't mention anything to me so I assumed nothing was found. Hoping it's nothing!
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Corky - I can see why you're freaked out. I would be too. Let's hope they're just blips on the screen and nothing to worry about. Be sure to let us know what you find out.
KimK - I hope your SEs have eased up - I hate FBC and almost everything that comes with it.
Lost - I'm thinkin' your house elf is lost in mo! hahaha
Love - CONGRATS on your last treatment! You did it, girl!
For dry mouth, Biotene makes a small spray bottle of mouth moisturizer. I think I found mine at CVS. It sure helps with cottonmouth and maybe moss mouth too.
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Kam: I'm right behind you on the Taxol. My last treatment is next Tuesday, June 12th. You can add me to your list of DD Taxol patients that is also having terrible SE's. I think it's the way that Taxol combines with the Neulasta shot. I never had trouble with Neulasta when getting A/C, but since starting Taxol, I'm having a rough time. My latest treatment was on a Tuesday. Normally I would get my injection the next evening, but instead I went in on Thursday morning and got it. I woke up Thursday, Day #3 and felt good. Usually I would wake up Day #3 and feel like a truck hit me. However, after getting the injection, as the day progressed, I got sore and stiff, and my throat starting swelling...all the things that are usually happening at the beginning of Day # 3.
So this time because my shot was a day later, my SE's really got going on Day 4...aches, pains, and the bull frog swollen gland throat. Apparently the Neulasta interacts with the Taxol to bring on my severe SE's...at least in my case. Interesting observation. Too bad it is so painful. Oh, and my fingers and toes are numb. My taste buds are shot. Days 4, 5, 6 were the worst. Day 7 not so great, and Day 8 almost normal. I'll be glad to get that last treatment next Tuesday, but I know I have to go through this agony one more time.
After this I head on to 5 weeks of radiation then on to Tamoxifen. Anyone else doing radiation after chemo? Compared to chemo, radiation will be a break! Good luck to all of you in Taxol Hell. This to shall pass!
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Fedfan- three more DD of Taxol and than I also will be starting radiation. In the chair this coming Wednesday and shot on Thursday. I'm hoping that the SE are not as bad this time. I was down for almost a full week with tx number one.
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Januaryice-praying that this time is not as bad!! I head for number 2 Friday and to be honest I'm almost scared to go. But I will. I have a feeling they will be sending pain meds home with me this time. I've been positive with my DR when I go in for my checkups before the tx, but I may break down and cry this time considering just thinking about makes me cry.
Kam and fedfan congrats on being almost done.
kltb hope your still enjoying vacation
I decided my house elf must have blown away in the last storm..he's probably in IL somewhere.
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Unfortunately I'm still in the throws of SE's...it's down to severe joint pain and diarrhea. Of course the D is from the laxatives that were for the constipation. I HATE this cycle of pain and never feeling well! I probably shouldn't write on here when I'm pissed off, but it's either write or cry.
Triplem...My onc is Dr. Melissa Williams, surgeon is Dr. Lisa Gurguis.
All...We have a wonderful "elf" named Martha. When this started to all go down we knew housework was going to be an issue. Martha is fantastic...if you are in the Sacramento area and you want her number, PM me. I've also heard of services that provide free housecleaning.
Bald eagle...FBC? Can't figure this one out.
Lost...Fingers crossed for you and the next tx. I broke down and cried at the Dr before my last A/C because I couldn't see getting to the end of all this. I still cry at some point in every cycle and tell DDP that I can't do it anymore...and then I do it again somehow. Knowing you are all doing it again helps me to no end.
Oh and my fingernails are getting that ring you all are talking about. I have to go back and read the posts to see what that's all about. -
fedfan - interesting theory. Could be the Neulasta with the Taxol. We can have a virtual end of Taxol party next week (late).
lostinmo - my last Taxol is Wednesday - yeah! - but then I have 6 weeks of Carboplatin. Supposedly, BRCA tumors are 20 times more sensitive to this chemo than wild-type BC - they usually use Carboplatin for ovarian and lung cancer (but I've also seen it used with Herceptin?). My MO is "going off the reservation" on this one--hope he's right, but it seems to be the consensus among the 3 MOs I've seen. I won't be done until July 25th. (No Neulasta with Carboplatin). Anybody going to do chemo into July, here?
Telle - hugs for you. Let us know what happens Thursday.
Trailgirl & Januaryice - if it's any consolation, my 3rd Taxol wasn't as painful (as in throbbing)...more like achey. I definitely took less pain killer, though I wouldn't necessarily say better (for me), maybe different. If it happens for you like that, you might prefer the difference.
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fedfan: 2 more DD Taxol and I'm off to radiation too - 6 1/2 weeks for me. I'm almost looking forward to it - almost. My onc did say the pain was because of some combo of the Taxol and Neulasta, and that's why I didn't get the pain with AC. All in all, though, the second Taxol hasn't been as bad as the first. I've had a good bit of pain, but the pain meds have helped. With the first one, I could barely walk.
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Good Tuesday everyone!
Kam- I think my last chemo is scheduled for July 6th. At least I should feel ok for the 4th of July.
I learned something today, I read over the papers that the nurse gave me about Taxol. It seems part of it comes from the May Apple plant. I could have saved myself a lot of driving time and just walked out to the woods and had a salad. LOL I wouldn't really do that, but I wonder if the drug company would like to buy the ones I have....
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I'm so happy with the MRI results. Typing this while Im sitting here in the chemo chair for tx 3 of Taxol. My tumor has gone from 3.5 down to 1.7. My lymphs that were very large are now super small and normal sized. Hearing that was perfect timing. I've been getting frustrated and tired of being tired on this crap. So now I feel a little more motivated to keep fighting this battle.
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triplem that's great news! It helps when you can tell the chemo is doing something. Makes you be able to handle it better. Not like it but handle it. Good luck with #3 hope the SE's are few!
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Yay, triplem!
I read about the diffs between taxol and taxotere, since it seems to me that lots of people get taxol, and I will be getting taxotere. It might be the treatment cycle, since I'm on a "regular" (every-3-weeks) regiment. Anyway, I did notice that the joint pain SEs are more common with taxol, but a lot of the other potential SEs are the same, including the risk of allergic reaction and the nail stuff. I guess the allergic reaction risk explains why the extra doses of steroids.
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lostinmo - nice to have company in July! Ok, had to look up the May Apple tree.... I was confused as nearly 30 years ago one of my jobs was to inventory the Pacific Yew trees in my geographic area (I'm a forester) as Taxol is dervied from the bark of this tree - Taxus brevifolia. Little did I know, at the time, I would be taking this s***!! This was way before Bristol-Meyer Squibb synthetically reproduced Taxol into what we are getting as Paclitaxel. In my area, Pacific Yew grows as a bush, the government wanted to know where every single one was!!! I think, originally, plants samples were regularly tested to see if they had any affect on cellular division. just like microbiologists are always collecting soil samples from exotic places to see if they can find any anit-bacterial agents (like streptomycin was discovered).
I do see on chemocare (I had to look this up) that the May Apple tree? (where do you live??) that Pacitaxel and Docataxel (the Taxanes) are a derivation of the Pacific Yew, but the plant alkaloids called podophyllotoxins are derived from the May Apple tree - (chemo: Etoposide and Tensopide)....I cannot figure out what the latter two are though!!!
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Can't remember who asked: but yes, going for rads after chemo. Nit exactly sure how long, think 5 or 6 weeks.
Triplem: awesome MRI results, so happy for you!
Having chemo after a lumpectomy sometimes I feel like why the hell am I doing this, so I appreciate that actually seeing the lump diminish must be so incredibly powerful.
Feeling slightly better today. Did the tiniest bit of gardening. Now completely exhausted.
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Did anyone have any kind of skin problem after starting Taxol. Over a week after treatment, I have little lumps under my skin and slightly itchy. The strange thing is I would have thought that if a reaction it would have been on the skin surface. Maybe it has nothing to do with my treatments at all.
Also the hair that I do have growing is peach fuzz that could be a beard!!!! What I slap in the face. Bad enough to be bald and now I have a beard coming in!! I guess I can always join the circus;))) -
January-I haven't had any rash but I know some here that have. I'm also getting fuzz and bumps on my chin. Taxols a whole new world!
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Yeah TripleM!!!
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Michelle - great news on the MRI!
KimK - FBC=fu**ing breast cancer!
fedfan - so sorry about your SEs. Hang in there, you're almost finished.
Going for 3rd Taxol today...1 more to go yay!!
Kam - I am BRCA1 positive so I may ask my MO about Carboplatin. What is the benefit supposed to be? Any info you can share would be great.
For all the Marchers - WE CAN AND WILL DO THIS! MARCH ON
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Kam chemocare is the paper the nurse gave me, I have no clue what most of that stuff is. But I live in Missouri and when the May Apple come up in the spring everyone around here knows it is time to start looking for morel mushrooms. I never thought about them inventorying the trees, that actually sounds like fun.
KCB hang in there! someday we will taste again. I plan on being bad at least a week and eating everything when it comes back.
Januaryice not another SE! hope it goes away quickly.
baldeagle good luck with #3!
I am suprised my DH gets any sleep with me throwing all the blankets on him, then turning around and yanking them back all night.
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Januaryice- sorry about the SE's but your post cracked me up. One of my "hidden benefits" of chemo was not having to pluck those strange hairs that started growning on my chin as I got older.
Trailgirl-I think we all broke down and cried through this. It is fricken hard! For me the worst was waking up in the morning, that split moment before you remembered the crap. Then it hit. Often along with the pain and nausea. But you do make it through. Also maybe talk to your MO about taking the steriods longer for the joint pain. I had an aweful time with it and the steriods helped.
Well I went in for my post chemo check up yesterday. Didn't ride the motorcycle as planed because after the BS told me about the possible bone mets I was on the anti-anxiety meds. BUT, MO poo-pooed idea of bone mets. He actually seemed annoyed with BS about it. He said I have no symptoms and the counts that should be high if I have mets are actually low on me. He said I will still have to have a PET/CT scan because the BS won't do the op without one. I suppose considering I have been thrown from horses, had a motorcycle accident, and sparred within the last year it stands to reason I would have places of bone remodling. I hate the CT scan though. This will be my third. If we have to go through this many test we should come out with some super power.
On another note, the numbness and pain in you fingers and toes gets better. Food starts to taste good again. Although I find I still preffer water over soda. Not sure when the ability to spell will return.
Corky
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Corky-you are so right about waking up in the morning. That really hit home with me. It's so nice to have that time that does not involve cancer. I don't think I've ever cried as much as I have with this crap.
My family has so many plans this summer that I won't be able to make. My DHs kids are coming in a week and I won't be able to do much with them. My MO has vetoed a lot of plans. I told DHto go ahead, no reason for us all to be miserable.
I want so much for a life with no doc visits every week, pills to take, and able to walk upstairs without losing my breath and pulse racing. Well, enough pouting. On the upside, I've had 3 taxols and my hair is starting to come back! Woo hop for small blessings. I'll take very single one.
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