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  • thefuzzylemon
    thefuzzylemon Member Posts: 2,630
    edited June 2012

    VEGGY...YEEEEEEEEAHHHHHH!!!! That's a wonderful story and at 100 years old you oughta be in your bikini with lights around the torpedoes!!!! LOL!!!! You go girl....always in your pocket...in the good times and the bad sister.

    GG....I loves you...You knows I do.

    Special: with everything you've been through....sheeeeze don't ever have surgery on the 13th! LOL

    Kingjr....thanks for the heads up about the Amtrak. Dang....what an aweful experience.

    ok....I am needing to let this out! My meds are screwing with me....and these hot flashes are out of control....I am super sweating then frozen....its pissing me off big time. I know there's no solution....I'm just pissy about it...

  • kingjr66
    kingjr66 Member Posts: 764
    edited June 2012

    fuzzy - I just started forced menopause (ovaries removed 1 month ago) and I'm feeling the hot and cold too.

    veggy - whatever it takes is always the right decision. 

    ptdreamers:  always wanted to do the Canadian border continue from New York to Alaska.  One day I will. But Amtrak has still stirred me away from train journeys, especially long distance ones. 

  • thefuzzylemon
    thefuzzylemon Member Posts: 2,630
    edited June 2012

    Oh shit shit shit. Its withdrawals....BIG TIME!!!!!!!!! I cried the whole time with MH. I'm a mess.

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited June 2012

    (((♥HUGS♥)))

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited June 2012

    Hi Nancy....i'm doing more reading than posting.....

    I'm up to date with all my friends here....Wink

  • Wren44
    Wren44 Member Posts: 8,585
    edited June 2012

    Nancynow, do talk to the vet. Kitties do well on prozac.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    Nancynow- if your find out from your vet that there is a cure for your kitty, please let me know. I have a kitty from hell too. She only likes my husband. She attacks and bites the rest of us. We got her as a kitten and she has always been like this. She has never been out of the house.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited June 2012

    nancy - I took the train from the station in Chatsworth to visit my good friend in San Diego - isn't that where that accident was with a Metrolink train - is that the one you are talking about?  Ask your vet about kitty Prozac.  Toes are doing better but still a technicolor mess.

    veggy - my PS told me that my breasts would look 20 when I am 80 which painted a rather bizarre mental picture of perky breasts and a saggy rest of me, lol!  I think you are doing the right thing, and glad you like all your docs and have allowed yourself enough time to arrive at your decision and feel confident.

    fuzzy - a hug to you, I think you need one.

    crog - yay for getting around better!

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited June 2012

    Feel better Fuzzy! I head for home in the morning. Then I have to make sure I have all my paperwork filled out. I did write my letter of resignation. I need to go chase doctors to get them to fill out their forms. I sure could use good wishes and prayers for the disability retirement. Also that I can control my stress for the month I have left to work there. Ugh!

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited June 2012

    Fuzzy, please contact your doc ASAP. Once starting into withdrawal from a medication, it can be a spiral that can get out of control---seriously---to the point it becomes a medical emergency. It is nothing to ignore. Doc contact or Emergency department. You need doc contact to evaluate seriousness of situation. I'm not playing around. If it wasn't 11:47 pm I'd call you right now---Well forgive me I'm calling- Answering machine. Hope all is under control.

    If on narcotics>>oxycodone/oxycontin--combo drugs are Percocet/roxicet, hydrocodone---combo drugs are Lortab/vicodin, Kadian, dilaudid, morphine, codiene(rarely used), ultram(different schedule level than others,but can lead to withdrawal the same way.

    Psychotropic meds>>SSRI's , SSNRI's, DRI's, Tca's Maoi's. Will post a link to a page that I wrote all the drugs and what family/class they are in.

    Benzodiazipines>>valium, xanax, ativan--most common for anxiety, but there are others in the benzo family.

    Alcohol

    All drugs that affect the central nervous system that the body is used to, at a certain level ,if ABRUPTLY STOPPED CAN LEAD TO MAJOR PROBLEMS. Ceasing these drugs  with out a plan described by your doc and monitoring changes with your doc, can have dire consequences. My effort here is to get you to take this very seriously. Hope it worked.

    There are cardiorespiratory drugs that also can lead to major cardiorespiratory emergencies, if discontinued abruptly. Bottom line drugs can be dangerous, unless you understand them.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited June 2012
    There are multiple neurotransmitters in the brain. Serotonin, norepnephrine, dopamine, these are the major players. Decided to bring list here versus just the link.

    SSRI-selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor

       citalopram (Celexa, Cipramil, Emocal, Sepram, Seropram)
    escitalopram oxalate (Lexapro, Cipralex, Esertia)
    fluoxetine (Prozac, Fontex, Seromex, Seronil, Sarafem, Fluctin (EUR))
    fluvoxamine maleate (Luvox, Faverin)
    paroxetine (Paxil, Seroxat, Aropax, Deroxat, Paroxat)
    sertraline (Zoloft, Lustral, Serlain)
    dapoxetine (no known trade name

    SSNRI or SNRI--selective serotonin norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor

    Venlafaxine (Effexor XR, Effexor)
    Desvenlafaxine (Pristiq)
    Duloxetine(Cymbalta)

    milnacipran(Savella) 

    TCA-----tricyclic antidepressants---older class of drugs, not much used anymore b/c of to widespread side effects And the advent of first the SSRI's then the SNRI's

    DRI's --dopaminergic reuptake inhibitors-------wikepedia lists a huge amount of drugs in this class. The most well known one for general population use is Wellbutrin.

    bupropion(Wellbutrin, Zyban)----I would have sworn on a bible it was a SSRI

    I said I'd do a complete list. So, here it is. I'm so glad my mind does not need to learn this stuff again. I started learning them in the days of MAOI's --the 70's. Poor young ones of todayUndecided.

    MAOIS--monamineoxidase inhibitors-------way old class of drugs, lots of bad side effects essentialy, use stopped with advent of TCA's. TCA's essentialy stopped withadvent of SSRI's (prozac was the first). There has been a new Maoi approved within the last two years , but forget it's name. All I remember thinking about the drug was OH MY why would the FDA allow it , they were that much trouble.

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited June 2012

    Oh yeah. I had major problems with MAOs. Totally psychotic. Totally out of control. There was this tiny little dunesleeper sitting in the back of my head screaming WTF are you doing. But the MAOs had control of my body and I did really weird stuff!

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited June 2012

    Dunes--Maoi's---bad news drugs.  So glad you are working through the disability stuff it's a nightmare of paper. I know you are coping everything, But OCD have to say it--copy everything. If you don't have a fax/copier--buy one. My Hp Officejet 6310 all in one--is a tough machine and still plugging along--fax, tray feed and glass single copy maker. Probably a more recent series, but the three characteristics are important

    Make a ring binder for all original &copies, divide by: 

    1.correspondence from work and forms(same as # three),

    2.facility policies and procedures(memorize as much as you can--that's LOL's with our memory issues ---related to disability.

    3.Correspondence with short term disability (STD)/ Long term disability(LTD) and forms required---clean master copy and filled in completed copy.

    4.Social Security Disability correspondence and forms same as described in #three. 

    5. Accumulate a list  of all doc's/therapists seen in last three( may be four) years, that includes doc's/therapists name, specialty,address, phone, fax#. First date seen, next date to be seen. Pharmacy names, address, phone , fax#. Hospitals-name address/phone /fax# of Medical Records department. All are on one continuous list

    6. You will be required to sign a release of information form for each entity in # five.

    7. Typed medication list --(approx)date and month started, condition you are taking drug for.

    8. Make phone card that has contact person for HR contact/ STD-LTD person/Soc security-----keep one posted at home work station, one in purse, master in ring binder. Make phone card with all doc's therapists name and phone number. Keep in same places as other card. Make a list that includes all the above in eight that includes contacts name ,address, phone, fax, secretaries name.

    9.record in logbook each contact of persons in #eight and what their request was and deadline for submittal of paperwork. Record when each requested form was submitted and by what route i.e hand/mail/fax.

    10. Take someones Fax cover -sheet black out company name. Make yourself a Master copy that still has the HIPPA statement on it. Copy for blanks. The first time you fill it out---just put name and organization you are sending it to and fax# in big print. In the lines below- date and time when sent. Then place back in "fax folder". This avoids having to make out new cover sheet each time you send something. Time &paper saver.

    Yeah been there done this, truly this list will keep you organized. I had to fiquire it out by trial with no quideline. Hugs

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited June 2012

    Fuzzy--try the "HOT FLASH FORUM". Read from page one , the first couple of dozen pages are the best. We did some good work. I'll get the link.

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/78/topic/770796?page=1

  • dogeyed
    dogeyed Member Posts: 884
    edited June 2012

    Glad everyone is resolving their issues.  And for those who still struggle, hugs and hearts will get you through.

    FUZZY-LOU, I love you too, my owne tru sister, we float along our mystic wavelength.  At the health food store, you can buy Melatonin pills, taken at bedtime will put you right to sleep for a good while.  I used to take them when I went thru a stressful time in my life and couldn't fall sleep to save my soul.  And when I finally got myself straight, I felt no urge whatsoever to continue taking it.  It's the same stuff that the sun makes the skin get darker.  I do not trust any other strong herbal remedy.

    Hot baths or showers help the body relax, soak with lavender candles going.  Some good stretching and then a walk outside, take some deep breaths, is grounding, and guzzle a couple glasses of water after.  If you break a sweat, that's when endorphins, our free feel-good hormones, get released, tension drops.  Three aspirins with milk or alka seltzers help a lot, or maybe some ginger tea (good for tummy & aches).  Worry beads match heartrate.  Make rituals of any or all of these things, look forward to diff ones perhaps every two to four hours.  GG

  • thefuzzylemon
    thefuzzylemon Member Posts: 2,630
    edited June 2012

    Oh thank you. I think yesterday was an actual trip to hell.....heat and all. I WAS on Effexor and I did a little research too....it sounds like anyone who tries to get off this suffers! WTF! Hind sight is a bitch I tell ya. And today I wake up thinking....I need a break. I'm tired of fighting with paperwork and assholes. I should just make a decision and get going forward with life for crying out loud! Do I have to have so much pressure? Is it worth it?

    It appears the withdrawals last 20 days or so....(enter swear words). I could give in and take "One" but I have been sloooooowly reducing the dose....down to one pill every other day at 75mg for the past month. What a joke. I completely understand why drug users keep using....this sucks ass. It feels like my brain "fires" shots and isn't really connected in there. Then...there's the dizzyness, emotions and etc. Today might be tolerable. I went to the healthfood store....waited for help while some girl flirted with the Guy for waaaaay to long (according to my intolerance level) and I almost threw sushi across the store.....I got two Herbals for calming and withdrawals. One tastes good....one is really really nasty.

    My shrink is concerned. But I'm going to get through this. She wants me to get reevaluated but....Fuzzy doesn't like that idea! LOL

    .

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited June 2012

    Nancy - I wonder if they make Melatonin for cats, lol?  They love those laser pointer things - you can sit on the couch and point it around and he will chase it, less strenuous for you.

    fuzzy - hang in girl.

  • Wren44
    Wren44 Member Posts: 8,585
    edited June 2012

    Nancynow, Scruff him and lift until his front feet aren't firmly on the ground. On the side of his mouth, almost all the way back, there's a spot without a tooth. You can squirt it in there. If you try it in the front, they can spit it out. The stuff at the shelter is in tuna oil, which can stain. If you're using Clavamox, it's easier to wash up. If it's impossible to medicate him, ask for pills and put the pill into a pill pocket. Most cat/dog stores stock them and probably a large megastore. Or the vet may have them in stock. Not all cats will do the pill pocket, but when they do, it's wonderful. I've used it at the shelter with cats I couldn't squirt. Good luck--it does take some practice.

  • thefuzzylemon
    thefuzzylemon Member Posts: 2,630
    edited June 2012

    Wren...you made me laugh!!  Seriously though, that "scruffing" thing works.  I had to "pill" my Fat Boy and that was an aweful mess.  I scruffed him until he turned stupid (got this glazed over look in his eyes and kinda went limp). 

    Nancy darling....watch your fingers girl!!  I am shocked they wouldn't offer a relaxer for SKK.  Just like any doc I suppose - Don't give us the shit we really want!  LOL I loooooove SKK stories....keep em coming!!!  I'm in love with that kitty and I've never even met him!

    Fuzzy update - today seemed to be better than yesterday.  And you're totally right Nancy, this is nothing to mess around with.  I can't believe how sick I am.  But I'm determined to stay off it.  I feel that I did everything I could to slowly remove myself and it goes against every part of my soul to go on ANOTHER medication to get off of this one.  I should have never been on this in the first place.  I WASN"T DEPRESSED!!  My environment sucked ass really bad for a long long time....so I get drugged???  WTF!  Drug the F-ers who think they can treat people like shit for a year and a half - I think anyone who feel shitty!!!  Oh...this is a nice visual....a couple of assho;es I know with some serious medications administered....ENJOY THAT!!  LOL  Evil laugh and little finger touching the corner of my mouth....muhahahahahaaaa

    Special, I'm hangning sweetie...I did some research.  It could be 20 days.  But then, I should be home free.  @) DAYS!!  Crapity cpap crap.  I'm just saying NO! 

    SAS - I think we are on opposite schedules...LOL  We will connect soon!!

    GG - I am totally trying to do the "connections"....working with spirit and mind....please help me....

    Oh...DH just walked in with Taco Bell.....as long as it stays down I'll be happy....oh who am I kidding...I'll be happy anyway!  LOL
    I LOVE YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND SKK!

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited June 2012

    Sas, thanks for the organizing suggestions.

    GG, thanks for the relaxation suggestions.

    Nancy, thanks for continuing to keep me in your thoughts. I really really need positive thoughts. This is weird for me. I'm not used to asking for help. I need it though. I'm scared out of my bloody head. I bet cancer cells are having a blast getting together in my body and conspiring to take me down. I hope to find out what the actual "early retirement" payment will be in a few days. They say it will take 3 to 4 months to determine if I am eligible for disability retirement, so I will have to find a way to live on the early retirement money for at least that long. From the last document I could find the payment is 815 a month. Mortgage is 680. Then there is gas and electric. I could keep the lights out and not use air. I'll need to keep up my part of the payments for health insurance. It's really bad. I'm just hoping that the payment will be enough to cover. I guess eating will have to be put on a back burner as well. LOL

    Sas, I have been through what you have been going through. It took me months to cut down to where I could cut it out completely. Mine was Paxil. I finally stopped it and of course had to do the withdraw again. Had to withdraw with each cut back. SSRI Withdraw Syndrome is very real and very miserable. I think I had all but one of the symptoms. Anyway, I finally got off it and then my crazy neighbor acted up, threatening bodily harm to me and causing all sorts of chaos among my neighbors. At the same time, a "friend" gave me a hard time about returning my house key and texted all sorts of nasty things to me. I got suicical as sh*t and had to go back on it. Sometimes people suck!

  • dogeyed
    dogeyed Member Posts: 884
    edited June 2012

    NANCYnow, no, not my bunny, but I am a bunny person.  We used to have two house bunnies, they were spiritual creatures, lifted husband and me up in our sensitivity.  I've heard for cat self-guided recess, there's about a two-foot diameter round plastic circle ring, something moves around in it, and they just think that's great. 

    FUZZAROO lady, one time I read how to drill down on what was bothering me, and so as instructed I sat on the floor in a room with some reflective glass in the windowsill and stared at it, emptied my head of every thought (not easy), then closed my eyes and asked "the universe" what was my dang issue!  Within a minute, the answer came, and I became emotional and cried.  I did this several times over a couple weeks, and soon I understood myself better and cured up those loose ends.  Then if you're feeling daring, I so like to daydream about walking in a favorite place, like through a field of tall grass in the sun, or along a beach, or thru a pine forest, and I make a point of experiencing the sounds and smells of my daydream, and for a short while I am THERE.  Now, that's really going someplace else, let me tell you!  I do it a lot, but one time I used it to get thru some dental work after I refused gas when it freaked me out.

    DUNE, I reckon your state dept of social services might can give you food stamps, sometimes give help with utilities, and I suppose a refi on your home is possible if it would help lower that payment.  I don't agree with too much debt, but junk mail sometimes gives a $500-limit credit card, or your own bank will, or a smallish line of credit off the house equity might work.  And then since you are indeed a recovering cancer person, it is common to ask family for a little monetary bundle to tide you over.  GG

  • crog234
    crog234 Member Posts: 801
    edited June 2012

    Hi everyone. Question?? Have any of you had any experience with Gabapentin (sp).. I am taking it for nerve pain that I had in my foot last year. Would like to get off from it. I know I have to wean myself off from it... I take it 3 times a day. Morning, mid afternoon and night. I will probably stop the mid afternoon one first.. Don't even know if I need them anymore and won't until I try getting off from them.. Anyone know how long I should go between stopping the mid afternoon one and stopping the next one which I am not sure if it would be better to stop the morning or bedtime one at that point... Ok thanks for any help or insight anyone can give me..



    Have a great day..

    Cindy

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited June 2012

    crog....I was on that for different reasons and my new MH provider was asking me why they put me on this pill...my answer I don't know but it was related to MH.....she wanted me to get off...I was taking 300mg at night time....so she weaned me off about a year ago and no withdrawal or anything..it's not a addictive drug....

    Ask your DR how you should start...please don't do it without questioning..

    Good Luck

    Gabarantin is the generic of Neurontin right/

  • crog234
    crog234 Member Posts: 801
    edited June 2012

    Thanks Shella. I will speak to my doctor before I try going off of them... Glad to know it is not addictive....I hate taking pills.....



    Cindy

  • chabba
    chabba Member Posts: 5,065
    edited June 2012

    crog, I was on that 3 times a day, very high dose for a couple of years for severe pain from shingles nerve damage.  Dr prescribed reduced doses but kept 3 times schedule.  He said you must be gradually weaned.  I didn't have any problems getting off it.

    Good luck, hope it is easy for you too.

  • crog234
    crog234 Member Posts: 801
    edited June 2012

    Thanks Chabba and Nancy... Chabba when you say high dosage what do you mean? I take 300mg 3 times a day. I assume that is not a high doseage...... When you got off from it did you still have pain from the nerve damage? I will definitely check with my doctor before I try to wean myself off from it... As much as I would just like to be done with it I know I can not just stop the medicine.....



    Cindy

  • chabba
    chabba Member Posts: 5,065
    edited June 2012

    crog, I don't remember what the actual doseage was, it was 11 years ago, but the Dr said we were up to the maximum recomended dose by the time my pain was under control. After a couple of years at that we dose started reducing it and the pain did not come back.

  • crog234
    crog234 Member Posts: 801
    edited June 2012

    Chabba so glad your pain did not return....

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited June 2012

    WOW busy thread.gone 3 days and VEGGY-sista/friend.im sooo happy on your decision....you know you are doin the right thing.big huggggggggggggg

    Sheila---are we ever gonna have that meeting in GCS???? I sure would like to plan something soon...its gettin hot hot hot...

    Dunesleeper---I pray you get everything you want,need and deserve.

    SpecialK and Crogg.those damn feet!!!!!!!ouch......

    Sas-please put me on the prayer list....pm me on what you need.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited June 2012

    Crog- I was on gabepentin /neurontin for only a month  after the brain surgery. Stopped after the prescription ended. No untoward response. But that I think is different then long term use . It's a search project. Call your pharmacist for guidance first even before doc. They know the drugs better than the doc's. Take the pharmacists info to the doc and then talk.

    Fuzzy --bummer missed your call, out to church. Glad to hear you were feeling better.  Please, Effexor is a BITCH to get off of, BUT at least we know we are talking SSNRI. EFFEXOR seems to have the worst reputation for getting off of. Your MH doc has reason to be worried. 20 days is not enough. 75 mgs every other day is not the best approach either. You are dealing with a Selective Serotonin Norepinephrine Re-uptake Inhibitor. By doing it every other day you are offering the brain a block for the re-uptake of Serotonin. So, on one day it's happy --then the level falls. The brain reacts. "DUH what have you done--where's my Serotonin". You are creating and up and down------so, your brain feel's really screwy. We talk about messing with estrogen levels. Serotonin makes estrogen a minor player by comparison.

    Don't want to scare you, but this will----My Dh's MO told him to quit Zoloft(ssri). I said he had to wean over several weeks , best no more than 5 mg per week . He ignored me and weaned over 8 days, at levels that I told him he was going to get into trouble with. Within 24-48 hrs after last dose he lost all feeling in arms and legs. Subsequent testing showed he would regain feeling in muscles, but would never regain feeling in his skin.  His Mo blamed it on Chemo, but he was post chemo by six weeks.  He was post Zoloft(ssri) by < than 48 hours. Cause and effect. ---Some of the worst words from my Dh were "I can see myself petting Schatzi, but I feel nothing".

    I agree , you should never have been put on it, but now you have to prevent permanent damage to you by getting off of it. That's why I posted all the SSRI's and SSNRI's --doc's take these drugs to complacently. They haven't taken them, they just prescribe, based on PDR, Journals, etc.

    I will try a search on a realistic approach to discontinuing. But your approach of cold turkey is not good. It's not the same as cutting out other drugs-----this is a brain neurotransmitter. World of difference.

    BTW---i blew in with out the above info to try to make you understand the seriousness of what you were doing . SpecialK---comes in with her beautiful description of ----I was ready to sleep by the time I got done reading her post. AHHHH spk-------you are such a treasure

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