April/May 2012 Chemo hang out
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Sad day for me. My grandfather's funeral and I can't attend thanks to being day 3 post chemo. My 18 year old and 11 year old went to it without me and I feel like a complete loser that I can't be there for my family.
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Mary71...I started on a Tuesday now I'm on a Monday, I'm not sure why. My SE's were diarrhea then constipation, dry mouth with metallic taste for about a week, numbness on my tongue and around my mouth and of course, the bone pain. I got the bone pain on day 4 after treatment then again after the first Neupogen injection. That was worse. I got neutropenic as well. I actually feel pretty good now and haven't much in the way of fatigue. My skin's never been clearer. They forgot to give me an RX for the steroids for the first round so we'll see what happens this time. I did get it IV though. The hair's about gone. Just some stubble and a funky looking dark patch in the front. Good Luck on Tuesday!
Dancetrainer...Yes, I was crushed by the second diagnosis. It was found on my first follow-up mammo 2 months after I finished radiation. The onco didn't mention anything about my Tamoxifen but I planned on asking him on Monday. He's not exactly the most thorough doc. Missed alot of important information regarding my care. Thank goodness I was on top of things. I'm at his mercy, however because my insurance forces me to use our local hospital and physicians and he's the only MO that my insurance will cover. I'd like to stop the Tamoxifen for a while to help with the hair growth since it supposedly causes hair thinning (although I didn't notice that yet but I had super thick hair).
How is everyone's nails, eyebrows and eyelashes holding up?
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Thank you Melrose,
Sorry to have sounded like a great big baby but thats how I'm feeling. I will take a look for those books. I do push my self up, I have a bike that I try to ride 10 or 15 min a day depending on how i feel. It just not being able to walk a 5 block round trip to the store for something simple that freaks me out. Yesterday I did a walk just like that and was totally wasted by the time I got back to my apartment. I am used to being so much stronger than this it is a little hard to take. At least here I can say that and you guys know just what I mean. Thanks for listening
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jkbuffy - welcome!!! I'm not doing your regimen but plenty of women on here are and will soon chime in. Sounds like you are doing great so far. Yes the effects are cumulative but I surprisingly feel the best I've felt right now, 10 days after my 3rd chemo. I'm sure it's b/c I've had more Neupogen injections this round.
lsharvey - my father-in-law passed while I was in the middle of rads. They live in another state, and I wasn't supposed to miss any rads tx's, so he had to go alone. I felt just awful not being there for hubby, and pissed as h*ll at cancer at taking yet another thing away from me/us. I understand the feelings you are going through.
rn4babies - I understand that crushing feeling. That's how I felt when I found out I was misdiagnosed and chemo had to be added 6 MONTHS after my BMX. Talk about a 1-2 punch! Uggh about your MO and insurance. Good thing you are on top of him. Yeah my MO said no Tamox during chemo. I'm not sure why, but good thing you'll be on him about this Monday.
So far my nails are holding up well - knock on wood. I've been icing them ferociously during Taxotere. A friend of mine on here still has a lifted nail 1.5 years post chemo, so I'm real motivated to ice the heck out of them.
Still have lashes and eyebrows, but I hear they often go several weeks after chemo. Some people never lose them, though. Not sure what the deal is with that.
fairweather you are not a baby! I can't walk far either, although the other day I surprised myself by "pacing" back and forth in my basement about 15 minutes without needing to rest and then I did a few light arm and leg exercises! Prior to this my butt was pretty much glued to the couch. I'm used to being MUCH stronger - heck I danced straight 2 hours prior to all this business (high energy aerobic dance workout). Don't beat yourself up. Chemo kicks *ss and not in a good way. LOL
Y'all wanna see what kinda dance I do, here was a perfomance I was in last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f9lMCHHuss
Can't wait to get back to dancing!
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Dancetrancer - Cool!! I hope you get back to dancing soon! I so can't really dance (not without alcohol in me, lol), but I've always been a walker. I started when I went off to college - found out I could do it in spite of my lifelong asthma - and it's always been my go-to exercise. Until my bunion foot got bad a couple of years ago, I walked for pleasure/exercise a mile or two at a time, with or without dogs. So, now... I can't walk at the pace I'm used to, and certainly not the distance - but I'm telling myself that doesn't mean I don't walk. With or without dogs! I put on my iPod, listen to all kinds of upbeat stuff (like LMFAO!), and just do what I can do. Sometimes I have to flake out in the recliner for awhile when I get home, but that's OK too. I watched DH, who was a competitive gymnast and did all kinds of other sports when he was younger, struggle with feeling right about doing anything athletic after surgeries and getting to the point that he wasn't as fit as he used to be, and feeling awful about it. Not doing that.
To everyone - I wish I could lighten the load. Don't worry about feeling like misery loves company, though - there's a reason we're all still coming to the boards! Getting support and paying it forward when we can. We are all special, strong and powerful - although that is my little mantra that I repeat to myself just about every night or morning (those are the times when fear rears its ugly head and I can't always shove it back down, before I get into my day). And we are all stronger together, no matter what.
I never asked the doc too many questions; i.e., what are my chances of surviving this to 5 years and beyond. I decided I don't need to know that - and besides, if I did want to know, I could figure it out on my own, based on what I do know. I also avoid stories that upset me - although I know that people don't always survive breast cancer, and nothing is certain for any of us, as you say. Still, a few days ago, before my tx#3, I stumbled across a story that got the dark thoughts churning, and that threw me down. I started wondering if I've been too naive about the disease. So when I saw the MO NP before my treatment, I told her how I was feeling.
She reviewed all my history, and basically said: all the cancer was removed with the surgery, and the PET scan didn't show anything else (I have heard PET scans don't always show bone mets, but didn't ask about that, figured, OK). She said yes, that what bumped me into Stage III was the size of the main tumor (if it had been .2 cm smaller I might have been IIb). She reiterated that I am young, otherwise healthy, and the whole point of the chemo and rads is to keep it from coming back. All of this I knew, and the only thing really that had changed was my thinking about it. She also said - and this hadn't even occurred to me - that part of the emotional symptoms are probably aggravated by being thrown all at once into menopause. (I was still having regular periods - even had one during my BMX - but that's another story!! Haven't had one since my first tx).
I admitted to her also that despite the fact I've heard there is no connection, I've been scared that since I have overall had minimal SEs so far with this kick*** A/C, that it meant it isn't working. She said, no, it doesn't work like that - there is no connection between severity of SEs and chemo effectiveness.
So...okay. I did feel better after all this, honestly. I am still resolved to get through chemo and rads (geez, rads - she said every day for several weeks! But I'll cross that bridge when I get to it - at least, it's looking like not before November). Probably by then I'll be on tamoxifen, too.
Love, hugs and purple energy to everyone.
In the meantime, I'm continuing to wait out the bad stuff, make the most of feeling good, keep laughing at anything that makes me laugh.
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Fierro: I hope you had a nice day with your DD.
Dance: Nice video. I bet you do miss your work. I would do. I love kids.
Ishharvey: I am so sorry for your loss. My mother-in-law passed away three days after my surgery and my husband had to leave me in IL to go to TX. The whole family, including my adult kids, were at the funeral. I felt so bad I couldn't be there.
JRyan: Welcome to this board. This is a great group of gals with LOTS of info to share.
Indigo: Thanks for sharing your feelings. I feel the same way--I just need to get through this. I am hoping by mid-September or my son's wedding date--I will be done with all this treatment. I feel like I just need a break from it all.
Still have my lashes and eyebrows, even though they are thinning. I will admit, I like the fact I don't have to worry about plucking any stupid chin hairs. My face is nice and smooth and no stash waxing either! What can I say--I am a hairy gal with eastern european and arab roots! Thanks, Grandma!
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I might have already presented this question to this group, but now that it's coming closer (Tuesday), I want to know your thoughts on where to have it placed - chest or arm? The scar will be less visible on the arm, but I'm afraid that it will be annoying.
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I like my chest port. Out of the way and I don't think the scar will be that bad. I went to a barbecue last Saturday, wore a top that showed my upper chest, and was able to mask the scar with Bare Escentuals concealer.
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Kjiberty- chemo sucks, but I'm with you - I like not having to pluck chin hairs, or wax, or shave bikini area, or shave underarms, and only having to shave legs once a week. And while my wigs aren't as comfy as I'd like, at least I can have a good hair day any day I want.
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Indigo: True..... Not to mention it takes 5 minutes to take a shower, then slather lotion on you and you're good to go with a little makeup! Not an extra 45 minutes on the hair. Wig optional!
Marcia: Good luck with your port. I don't have a port as I only need 4 treatments. However, finding a vein the past two has taken three attempts and has been painful.
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Indigo - thanks! Loved your post - got a little tear-eyed reading it. I think the chemopause changes are getting my emotions going, too!
marcia - I think most of us have had the port placed in the chest...it's hard to then comment on what it is like in the arm. Hope you can find someone to talk to who has had it done that way. Mine was pretty sore at first, but I don't notice it at all now. I'm glad I have it, considering how often I get stuck and will continue to be stuck over the next year! I tried my swimsuit on today and was SO happy to see that my suit covers the area of my port and the scar! I was very clear to the doc that I wanted it placed as low as possible on my chest and NOT in the V neck area.
ALL - I went for a walk in the park today with DH!!! 30 to 40 minutes, slow pace, needed some breaks...but it was the best feeling EVER to get out and about! Hiking is one of my favorite things to do. As we were walking, I just couldn't stop saying, "OMG, I'm so happy to be out here! OMG!" Yeah, you could say 10 weeks of pretty much only going out to the doc has been extremely difficult on me! I can't wait to get out and do more this last week before chemo #4. I still have daily heartburn, but it is SO much more manageable today. In fact, I cut back on some of my medicine. YAHOO!!!
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dancetrancer, so happy you were able to enjoy your walk, and for so long. It was cloudy and rainy here in the Springs (we need it, so no complaints, need MUCH more) but I went to Whole Foods and walked for over an hour. Going to take a small walk in a bit now that the clouds have cleared off. Go around the park to check the mail.
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Fair weather- I know it seems overwhelming right now and yes the AC sucks...I just finished my 4 treatments....it's cumulative so it does get tougher. But what I found is you need to eat small meals and stay hydrated..it helps...and stay on top of the meds...don't let time go by without taking what you need to take. Make sure when you rest when you need to. You will get through it, I promise.
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The combo between steroids and menopase and of course "having cancer" and accepting my uncomfortable numb arm have made me one irritable, tearful woman. And if something really upsets me, it takes days to get over. The fatigue and back pain make me feel like a little old lady. I am not me. I miss me and will be so glad to one day look in the mirror at "me" again WITH RED HAIR C :
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I have really enjoyed reading everyone's updates, I have picked up a lot of helpful tips so thank you.
Just having a down evening..I have my 4th last DD A/C then I will get surgery...see surgeon on the 13th. Now that I have gotten this far,I guess it is finally sinking in that I really do have cancer...i was diagnosed march but I guess I have been so busy with tests, appointments, etc that I have just now had time to really accept it...I guess I still keep thinking this must be a bad dream...I never thought at 39 this would happen.
Ok...sorry enough complaining
Michelle -
Stacie I totally feel where you are coming from. It's seems as though it has taken my identity. I hate talking about it with family and friends because it makes me cry then I end up feeling like I'm weak. I hate looking at my bald head. I hate looking at my chest where my breast used to live now two fading scars reside. I hate not being able to fill out my dresses/shirts. I know these things don't define who I am and I'm thankful for life but these things were apart of me and sucks that they were forced to be taken away.
Tweety, I'm 25 and a newlywed. I'm not a smoker, I rarely ever drink, I'm kind, thoughtful and I never once thought I would have to deal with this so early in life. I know how u feel, it's still hard for me to accept. When I think about it, it's like getting that dreadful call all over again. Wishing u a speedy, painless recovery.
CANCER IS SO DAMN STUPID...I HATE IT AND I HOPE IT ROTS IN HELL!!! -
Tweetyb22, I'm so sorrry that you're feeling down. I know what you mean about thinking you're going to wake up from this bad dream. I think it all the time. I still can't believe this is happening, but these rocks on my chest and chemo starting next week keep reminding me that it's real. I hope you feel better tomorrow.
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Thankyou lovely ladies for the warm welcome to the board. Still trying to get up to speed with all your names and personal situations. I did see some questions that I believe I can answer:
I did have chemo teaching, not a class but a one-on-one sit down with an oncology nurse which was most helpful. We actually marked a calendar for the cycle with med times, when to expect side effects, when to take temps, fluid goals, marking BM's. And a general log for day-to-day thoughts. I will bring this calendar back to my oncologist before the next chemo tx to discuss, tweak meds, etc. Lots of handouts as well, with an emphasis on side effects and how to deal with each.
As for port placement, I had one placed and find it only mildly uncomfortable, although with a small frame a litle freaky to look at. It really isn't too painful to access and further into treatment when starting IV's and drawing blood becomes a problem, I won't have that issue. Personal choice of course.
I believe Butterfly Lady was interested in a dog and that is something I do have some knowledge of. Purebreed dogs are all bred with a purpose in mind, and will always be led by that characteristic. Don't get a beagle and expect it wont spend life led by its nose. Likewise, any herding dog will herd and patrol (you, your kids, bugs by the pool,etc). Terriers will never get along with your cat or the neighbor dog. Keep that in mind when choosing any breed. Mixed breeds are great because their primary instinct is muddled. If you like small dogs, most are bred strictly to be companions, lap dogs, people pleasers. I have a papillon, Arlo, my favorite boy in the world. Great fun, playful, happy, snugggler. Google the breed. I would also suggest a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel for strictly companion and fun.
I did discuss some of my rather strange SE's with my onc. They think the terrible headaches,ringing in ears, etc might be side effects of the meds meant to decrease the side effects. Kinda funny!! I did have neulasta inj which may account for the backaches. I think that either way you go you're gonna have something aren't you?? Afterall, it is chemo.
As for the husband problems, I really do appreciate the suggestions and empathy. I don't think there is much for me to do there. He is out of town this weekend, so relaxing at home. I mowed the lawn with his tractor today. It really was fun!!
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Good morning everyone!
I ordered the book that someone was talking about earlier. "Eating Well Through Cancer" Easy Recipes for before and after chemo treatments.
I am looking forward to receiving it next week.
I had my 2nd chemo treatment of A\C on the 25th of May. My 1st one was on the 3rd. The second one, I had no nausea, but it seemed that I was twice as tired. Today is the first day that I have felt pretty good. My appetite has been really good this time too. The first treatment, I had no appetite and felt queezy for the first 4 days. Seems like I lived on Protein Shakes.
I am so thankful for being able to read what ya'll write and for me to write and ask questions.
Has anyone had any puffy cheeks with the A\C treatments? Someone told me that my cheeks will probably get puffy. Hopefully if they do, it will not last long. I'm already chubby.
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I have a question, if you don't have nausea after the chemo......do you need to take the decamethasone (streroids) for the 4 days that they give you?
I have lost all of my hair now. I had my beautician come over to my house and shave my head real close after my first treatment. That way I would not have to see Clumps of my hair coming out.
I definately made the right decision. Seeing my hair cut really short all at once was much easier. I cried for a bit, but then I was ok. It's only hair and it will grow back.
I went to a Look Good Feel Better Workshop and she showed us how to use a square scarf and tie it on the side. Really cute. I can't find square scarves anywhere. They are either the bandana little ones or the long skinny ones. So frustrating! I've tried walmart, kmart, dollar stores. Any suggestions?
I look forward to hearing from ya'll with answers, suggestions, etc.
I hope everyone has a great day!!
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Are any of you who live where medical marijuana is legal giving it a try?
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I heard I would get puffy cheeks, weight gain in the face from steroids but I never did. I did gain 6 pounds in two months, ugh...but that will come off when this is over.
I don't believe the steroids have anything to do with nausea....the bummer with them is the crash afterward.
As far as the emotion train....man am I on it. I'm 48 and pre menopausal...I think my hormones are just going crazy. I was diagnosed in February and still replay that day and wonder how I got here.
Someone gave me a couple of joints and while I considered them on bad nausea days I never tried it...but I hear it will help -
Good morning everyone,
I haven't been on for a couple of days and have a lot of reading to catch up on today after the nurse comes to give my Neupogen injection. But I am wondering if there are any of you on the same current treatment as I am? I had my first FEC on May 29th and will have two more before the Taxol. I suppose it is the anticipation of what could come but I am so nervous. I have all the reading material and realize that everyone reacts differently. Just feeling a little lost this morning. It might be because my daughters are coming over later today to shave my head so that I am not losing hair all over the house in the next week or so. Better to be prepared I guess.
Hope everyone has a wonderful day,
Hugs
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Misty: I am not on the same regimen as you are. I am on the taxorere and cytoxan. I can emphathize with your feelings. We all feel the same way. We just don't realize how much importance we place on our hair. I think when we have our hair, no one can see the "cancer", but if we go out either without a wig (bald) or with a scarf, we SCREAM cancer. And we don't want people feeling sorry for us or asking us about it. That's how I feel anyway. I really don't feel like discussing my medical problems with someone I have run into at Kroger that I haven't seen in 10 years! I just want to say I am fine and keep moving. Be strong!
Dance: So glad you went for a walk. MY DH and I went out for lunch and to the movies (The Magnifican Hotel?). It was cute. It was nice to get my butt off the couch for an afternoon. We actually went for a walk after that. Nice day.
Tweety and Sade: ((hugs)). MY DD is 26. I reminder her constantly about self-exams. Actually, I remind all my female clients everytime I talk to them to get their annual mammograms--it's part of my job when I call them and this is something I never forget to tell them. I sell Medicare insurance.
Pauletta: I am given the steriods (1 twice a day) the day before treatment, the day of (Thursday)and the day after. The crash comes around Saturday afternoon for me.
Marcia: Medicinal marijuana is not legal here in IL, but my brothers say if I make a trip to Michigan or FL, they can hook me up as one is licensed in one state and my nephew is licensed in CA.
They offered to make me brownies! Nausea hasn't been to bad for me thus far.
BTW, I have the Magic Mineral broth simmering on the stove. It's only been 30 minutes, but my house already smells delicious!
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Marcia,
MM is not legal in NY but...
I find it helps with my eating. It also helps when my heartburn is acting up, which is often this time. I finished my second AC (will have #3 in a few days) and it has helped get me through two very tough weeks. I had been feeling everything I ate burn going down but if I had a puff or two about 10 min before meals I was much better. The doctor had given me Lidocaine but it tastes like ass and I could only keep it down once so stopped using it.
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Fairweather: LMAO!
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Pauletta- I was told my onco that the steroids are to help prevent the nausea. You may want to ask your doctor if you can cut back on them before you actually do. My onco had prescribed Decadron two doses the day before chemo and the morning of chemo. However, I misunderstood and took them for 3 full days, the day before, the day of and the day after chemo. After it was discovered that i was doing that, she said it was fine because it is helping keep the nausea away plus that is how she used to prescribe the dosage. I haven't had any nausea post chemo.
As like everyone else, I'm must be sitting in the emotional chemoland train car. Tears just flow whenever for a short time and then I'm fine again. Not loving this train car but at least I'm not alone!!!! Chemo has now gotten my hormones so I know part of this is from that. Lots of physical changes for all of us. I'm happy to share my Kleenex box with everyone!!!! Just have to keep moving forward and keep healing!!! HUGS to all because we all need them right now!!!!
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Stacie, Tweetie, Sade and anyone else who needs one---{{{Hugs}}} Hope today is a better day :0)
Dancetrancer--Love the dancing! It looks like hard work but fun and great exercise!
Chapter4--Where in NY are you? I'm upstate outside of Albany.
Shelleybean---a papillon! I have a long-haired chihuahua(chihuahua/papillon) and he is the light of my life! All 9 1/2 pounds of him!
Misty--I'm not having the same treatment but wanted to comment since I just lost my hair this past week. Definitely shaving it is the way to go for most. Good luck!
lsharvey--so sorry for your loss.
rn4babies--good luck to you tomorrow with round #2! And thankfully, my eyebrows and eyelashes are still hanging tough. My head still has a few dime sized patches but other than that is bald and shiny!
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Mary71. I'm just outside Saratoga springs....
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LOL fairweather!!! I've considered it...may need to reconsider if it helps that much with heartburn!!! I agree, the lidocaine tastes like ass!!! LOL!!!
Tried to sleep without a sleeping pill last night - fell asleep fine, but whoa did not stay asleep well. First, I had a dream that I was trying to walk and had a heart attack - woke up with a BIG start as well as coughing - hate waking up like that! Happened to have heartburn at that moment...so strange how what is going on in our bodies gets integrated into our dreams. Then, I woke up so many times after that due to hot flashes. I don't know how many I had last night. I'm definitely going in to chemopause. Uggh!
Oh well, I don't feel too bad right now, despite being awake half the night!
Does medical marijuana help with hot flashes, by chance? Inquiring minds want to know. LOL!!!
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@Pauletta: You may/may not notice puffiness. I didn't until I took pics of myself on day 2 of a/c and compared to pre-chemo pics. My face looked totally different. Always ask your MO before adjusting steroids. The compazine, zofran, phenergan are optional anti-nausea meds. Altering your steroid regimen can lead to a different "crash" and for some regimens (like taxol) are also to avoid allergic reaction. Those of you who will start taxol, the giant dose of steroids they give you with your first dose was crazy, is all I have to say.
Stacie, Tweety, Sade and others with emotions taking over: I honest to God thought I was depressed on chemo. Now that I'm done, I can tell you, it was the chemo. Hang in there, you are stronger than you think. But cry, yell, hide in bed if you feel like that's what you need. It doesn't matter. Also, the looks will improve, as will your opinion of them. OMG, one month off chemo and menopause is fading -tweety you will actually feel like a newlywed, scars and all, if you give yourself a chance. If I wasn't still sore from surgery, I'd be wearing my husband out....and I'm 33 and we've been married 10 years.
lsharvey: Don't feel too bad about the funereal. I found that when I did manage to go to family functions, it was hard for me and I became a distraction to the function. I didn't just feel sick, I looked sick, and people were distracted from the point of the function. And I had a hard time controlling my emotions and my body at gatherings. It's what's in your heart that counts, right?
Shellybean: It's hard to know what to say to a girl who is happy to mow lawn with her hubby's tractor. I hope you have many supportive friends/family who can do what your husband won't/can't. IMHO, marriage is supposed to help you add to your family, and family helps you no matter what. I think too many of my friends are married to people who wanted to "hang out" with them, not be there for them. That said, I HATED taking my DH to chemo. He's a very boring chemo companion. I brought gossipy girlfriends, much better. He's my go-to for surgeries, because he makes me calm (boring can be good). And he requires very specific instructions, but he admits that. So if I want dinner, I need to tell him exactly what to make, because otherwise he'd make something I couldn't eat. I also sent him to counselling at my cancer center, and that helped him a ton. That said, you can lead a horse to water.....
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