Coffee enema

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himalaya
himalaya Member Posts: 149
edited June 2014 in Alternative Medicine

Im going to start to do that.Please share your exprience!

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  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited May 2012

    I would like a full explanation of this procedure please, TY--What is the purpose?

  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    i cant paste any info here, i think there is some problem in my computer.

    But google is full with info anyway.

    I would like to hear some personal experience from BC ladies.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited May 2012

    I know I'm wasting my time but:



    Effects and dangers



    Some proponents of alternative medicine have claimed that coffee enemas have an anti-cancer effect by "detoxifying" metabolic products of tumors.[4] There is no medical scientific evidence to support any anti-cancer effect of coffee enemas.[2][5][6]

    Coffee enemas can cause numerous side effects, including infections, severe electrolyte imbalance, colitis, polymicrobial enteric septicemia and heart failure.[4][6][7][8][9][10] If the coffee is inserted too quickly or is too hot, it could cause internal burning[11] or rectal perforation.[12] The use of coffee enemas has led to several deaths as a result of severe electrolyte imbalance.[8]

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited May 2012

    chicadee that's exactly what I thoght it has killed people but I figured I didn't know Dr. wise just from Law and Order LOL

    Himalaya where are u coming up with these things???

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Re:  I know I'm wasting my time

    Yep, you are wasting your time.   All valid scientific evidence presented against pseudoscience will be met with opposition and bizarre rationalizations.  Vague and/or poorly documented anecdotes  will be presented as concrete evidence that this specific woo can cure cancer by those who have a profound misunderstanding of basic science.  Much of the evidence presented, will have some paragraphs poached from an intro to physiology, general, organic or biochem, or microbiology textbook for college freshman.  This can be text, charts or diagrams.  The only alterations  will be whatever the woo du jour is being presented.  This way it sounds all sciency and makes sense to those that would fail a high school biology or chem class.

    I could be a very rich woo meister. It really would not take much effort.  There would be very little overhead to get started and to maintain my woo business.  I would appeal to the anti-science and the anti-intellectual crowd.  I'll have thousands of marks, er, uh, I mean customers. 

    I'll just have to pay a web designer, get me some introduction to life science books, and of course empty capsules from the health food store, which I will fill with powdered sugar.  Hey, I don't even have to invest in powdered sugar.  I could just fill the capsule with tap water and claim a homeopathy cure. Yea, that's the ticket!   If someone mentions Avogadro's number it will just fall on deaf ears.  My customers will just fold their arms in defiance and point out my sciency sounding paragraphs as concrete proof that my bogus remedy cures every disease known to man. Of course they don't know that I poached those paragraphs from an intro to physiology book and interlaced them with a few poorly written paragraphs on my miracle cure.  Hell, I'm too lazy to write paragraphs. I'll just doctor up some of the sentences and change the wording to make it look like it's all about  my miracle cure.   My highly gullible customers won't have enough of a science background to figure it out.    That quack Brownstein does it all the time and gets away with it.

    I'll make up some claims that my super duper capsules might cure cancer, Parkinson's, dementia, shingles, HIV, lock jaw, malaria, depression, and whatever else ails ya. 

    I'll have to put in a quack miranda warning, of course:

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quack_Miranda_Warning

    Damn the FDA. Damn them. They are evil through and through.  Satan is alive and well and here on earth people.  He has manifested himself as the FDA.

    Of course ORAC will take me down in his blog and quackwatch.org will try to deconstruct my medical breakthrough and say it's pseudoscience.  I'm not worried. By the time they get wind of what I am doing I will have a big altie following and will have made lots of money.  I'll just tell my altie fans that they are really BIG PHARMA in disguise and they are the quacks. That's all I have to do is mention big pharma trying to keep a good altie down and it's back to business.

    It's such a shame that I have ethics.  I could be such a good quack.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited May 2012

    Himalaya,

    I think there might be one woman on here who does coffee enemas.  I don't think many of the rest of us see the point - our bodies do a good job of getting rid of waste if you eat a healthy diet.  I think a reasonable number of women have done enemas (not coffee, though) to help detox after chemo.  I didn't, however.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited May 2012

    And a coffee enema will not remove that cancer from your breast.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited May 2012

    Black cat, love it.

  • kayfh
    kayfh Member Posts: 790
    edited June 2012

    Oh man, I so agree with you blackcat, but, I really don't like incitement to argue, debate. We are trying to support each other, to support each others autonomy, and freedom to choose. I can't decide for another woman or man faced with breast cancer.

    One thing I do know: Real information where it counters woo or what ever doesn't have to be given in a manner which appears to indicate that the provider is sneering, or feels somehow superior to the recipient of the information. Non hierarchical provision of information would be a better option and less divisive. Just my opinion.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2012
  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2012

    Well said, kayfh. The sarcasm and invitation to argue does no one any good and just results in unkind ugliness. However, I do agree with the point blackcat is making. Caryn

    PS: I prefer drinking a good strong cup of coffee, in moderation of course :)

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2012

    Seriously.  Coffee is the ONE vice I allow myself - wild horses couldn't persuade me to do anything other than drink it!

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited June 2012

    Nancy u mean a Dr.really uses this method---this could be so so risky to someone, I can't believe anyone would try that--I really thought this was just misinformation.  Wow I'm really surprised--Just when u think it's safe to go back in the water someone makes coffee for another reason out of it.

  • Kelleyod
    Kelleyod Member Posts: 150
    edited June 2012

    Hi there ....



    Never did a coffee enema but my SIL did .... For something close to 8 weeks .... It was very trying physically and did not "appear" to have any impact on her tumor ..... Which continued to grow . She eventually had a UMX ...... Weigh the decision well ....

  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited June 2012

    Well...thanks a lot for sharing.

    Kelleyod, did he do that daily or weekly?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    I did some research on this as someone told me they were doing it.  It would appear that this was discovered in the 1st World War, when a nurse was giving enemas to wounded troops.  She noticed a cold pot of coffee that the surgeons had left and figured that the wounded deserved coffee as much as the surgeons.  Bizarre concept in my eyes, but there you go.  She popped some in the enemas and found those who had the coffee recovered better than those on water.  Obviously she didn't know why, neither do I.  Coffee enemas make up a part of the Gerson therapy, which is a diet and lifestyle based therapy regime.  They claim that the lower colon has some sort of direct link via artery/vein (not sure as can't remember) to the liver, and the coffee enemas directly encourage liver detoxification.  Their remit is that a detoxed body is half the battle, as the body can then get on to fight the battle against cancer, rather than dealing with toxins.  It sounds like sound and sensible advise to me.  But, the coffee is cold, so no worries about heat damage.  To pour boiling coffee up your behind is just asking for trouble....

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited June 2012

    What an unbelievable way of thinking for that nurse--It's like the first person to say whatever comes out of that cow I'll drink.

    Now I know there are multi-purposes for some thins like viniar- eatit, clean with it and douche with it---but coffe never came to mind.

    This is quite a topic.

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited June 2012

    eat a bunch of fruit and veggies, drink a few cups of coffee and call me in the morning.  I've actually heard they can be very dangerous.. not to speak of gross.  (at least it's the right color).

  • luckypenny
    luckypenny Member Posts: 150
    edited June 2012

    I have heard of coffee enemas as part of the gerson therapy.

  • CuterWCurves
    CuterWCurves Member Posts: 317
    edited June 2012

    I've had friends try it for a variety of conditions, and illnesses. Part of having had Lyme is that many turn to alternatives for the sake of trying anything when traditional medicine fails them. Either they reach the point of 0 progress, or can't find a Lyme litterate Dr to treat them.

    Please. I caution those who are considering this. Be very aware that there are some very real risks with this.

    I know of someone who ruined her bowels, and I know of another who ended up in hospital because there was so much caffiene in her system which caused an "overdose" (think dilusions and hallucinations, etc.). Caffine is a stimulant that affects the central nervous system, and is one of the only legal psychoactive drugs that is mass consumed. It is also a diuretic. Extreme overdose can lead to death.

    I am going to add one more caution based on simple facts:

    You can drink coffee, and get caffine jitters. It is entering your system relatively slowly. 

    You insert suppositories in cases where rapid metabolization is preferred. It is quickly taken up into the body. Typically the medications are systemically acting (whole body) or long-lasting. 

    With an enema it is forcing the fluid even higher into the system on intitial insertion. The idea is to hold the fluid within you, and then expel it.

    You are essentially going to give your body an undiluted, systemic dose of caffiene. Please weigh the risks of adverse reactions incredibly carefully.

    If you do this please make sure it is proper coffee, and not one of those genetically modified coffee beverage concoctions as well. What was used for coffee years ago when this was first tried is not what we typically buy in the store now.

  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited June 2012

    Yea, i got  organic coffee.

    Im not drinking  coffee for 20 years, since i became vegetarian and intoxication free.

    It seems that some toxins still collected in my body  and i want to get them out how Gerson and Budwig and others recomend.

    I wonder what  dosis i can take if my body didnt  feel coffee for 20 years? Nobody can answer to me that but logicaly i think i need  only little amount, maybe 3x less that average people.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited June 2012
    The main Breastcancer.org site's article What to Know About Diets that Claim to Cure Cancer. This includes comments on Gerson and Gonzalez.
  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited June 2012
  • QueenSonia
    QueenSonia Member Posts: 2
    edited June 2012

    Coffee enemas are indeed PART of the Gerson Therapy and need to be done along with the juice detoxification and if you are considering it then you should read 'The Gerson Way'. It works by stimulating the bile ducts in the liver to drop toxins so speeds up the detox but they recommend 3 fresh vegetable juices (out of 13 per day) to every enema and of course you should learn how to do it properly so to avoid the horror stories above (none of which I have heard of). Gerson have had some amazing results (see docs on you tube - The Gerson Miracle, Dying to Have Known, The Beautiful Truth) but it is gruelling and difficult to do.

    I know because I did it for 2 months and ended up on my knees as was at it all day long and never managed to make the full 13 juices, but felt and looked better than I had for a long time. They call it upside down coffee and say it is the only time any caffeine should be put into the body. Once I got used to them I actually liked them. Apparently they are brilliant for pain control but I wasn't in pain.

    Beatta Bishop famously did it over 30 years ago and is still alive. Prince Charles called for more investigation into it when a friend of his did it but was slammed down by the medical profession. I personally know someone who did it 20 years ago and she remains clear, it was a 2 year regime and she locked herself away but had the resources to have a helper, I didn't. She has since trained in natural healing and I was joyous when she told me that new research shows that one does not have to be as strident as that as there are herbs to help the detox, Hippocrates Inst say one shouldnt put any caffeine in body so they use water enemas along with juicing and eating living enzymnes.

    There is always contradictory information from different schools of thought and I think anyone should do their reseach and do what they feel is right for them. I am going down the natural healing route but it does demands a full on regime, and it takes 2 years at a healing level to fully change the body. I will most certainly be using enemas as part of it.

  • candygurl
    candygurl Member Posts: 130
    edited June 2012

    Himalaya, if you do a search on BCO, you'll find that "coffee enemas" was discussed on the Early Stage Natural Girls thread.  See "CindyD's" posts on pg 8.  Coffee enemas are a part of her regimen. She really went into detail. Were you planning to do the Gerson protocol? The dose should be on their website.

    QueenSonia, I read that some people do herbal tea enemas. Do you think they are effective?

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited June 2012

    Sorry....I am open to alternative therapies, but for me....

    Using a coffee enema to cure cancer is like washing your car to fix a flat tire or a dead battery.

    There may be some (??????) benefit, but it does not address the primary problem. Your car is squeaky clean, but you still have a flat tire or a dead battery.

    And yes - there are numerous, legitimate studies done on bowel perforation, and other, fatal side effects done with "enema therapy".

  • Tillycat
    Tillycat Member Posts: 130
    edited June 2012

    Himalaya - I think you would like kris karr's website 'crazy sexy life'

    She also has a book called 'crazy sexy cancer tips'. (Easy to find on amazon)

    She has lots of suggestions that would almost certainly appeal to you.

    I'm pretty sure that she suggests enemas, but I think they might not be coffee ones

    Melissax

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2012

    I think Kris Carr is into wheatgrass enemas. 

  • Tillycat
    Tillycat Member Posts: 130
    edited June 2012

    Yes

    I think she does wheatgrass in all directions !! :-)

    Thanks for getting her name right too (Carr with a C not a K )

    Mx

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited June 2012

    This is quite an interesting topic.  One I have never heard of nor personally would not choose, not meaning it's wrong it's just a little to funky for me . But for anyone who has or will good for u to try something tat could be useful in detoxing. It still makes me wonder who thought of putting coffee up their butt.  It's things like that that interest me--how people think. Now u wouldn't reall use this after diaggnosis with cancer and nothin else would u----wouldn't this be done as a preventative type of thing? Just wondering.

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