Nooooo! I have lymphedema?

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DianaNM
DianaNM Member Posts: 281
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

I was so happy to hear after my UMX on 5/21, that only two nodes had been taken and they were clear. Figured my chance of getting lymphedema were slim, especially since I am not having radiation.

Went in to have drains removed yesterday and a follow up. Told them the only thing really bothering me is the swollen area under my arm, with numbness on the back of that arm. They said that it would improve now that the drains are out, and they would give me a referral to Physical Therapy.

I got a call today from PT to set up an appointment. They referred me to the Lymphedema specialist! So that means I got it right away, from the surgery. Really not fair. And pretty chicken shit of the doctor not to tell me.

Any chance it could be anything else? 

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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited May 2012

    I would imagine that the referral to an LE specialist is to reduce your LE risk, not necessarily a dx of LE.  Receiving therapy from a non-LE certified person can be detrimental if you have had axillary node dissection, I think  they are just being cautious, and I think it is way too early to determine if you have LE.  You are slightly more than a week out from surgery.  Swelling and numb, tingly type pain is normal after this surgery.  The back of my arm was numb for an extended period that was independent of LE.  This can continue for quite a while - I now have feeling in the axilla, and on the back of my arm.  Hoping for the best for you - try not to be too worried yet!

  • jacee
    jacee Member Posts: 1,384
    edited May 2012

    I had lots of fluid, swelling, heat in my arm, and back for months after my mx. Then, slowly everything went away. No problems for 2 1/2 years now. Hopefully yous will resolve.

    I don't know how they can determine it is LE so soon after surgery.

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited May 2012

    Diana, I agree with SpecialK that they're being cautious by sending you to an LE PT. It's impossible to tell so soon after surgery whether or not this is LE. Swelling and tingling are part of the normal healing process. I had it, it eventually went away, and though I got LE it wasn't until 2 years after surgery (after 17 nodes removed & axillary rads).

    Best of luck. Heal well.

    Leah

  • DianaNM
    DianaNM Member Posts: 281
    edited May 2012

    Thank you, thank you so much, sorry for the freak out. 

     I will give it some time. And maybe sleep elevated again. I quit doing that after three nights home, though I keep my arm up on a pillow.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited May 2012

    Diana, it's very common to have post op swelling: one the best lymphedema researchers followed 250 women for almost 8 years, and while she took measurements in the first three months, she didn't use them in her study as they tended to be all over the place due to swelling after surgery.

    Some people do wake up with lymphedema, some have early onset lymphedema--but there is also some encouraging studies that show if you evaluate and gently treat women with early swelling, most of it will go away or get considerably better.

    A lymphedema therapist is used for women with post op swelling--the gentle lymphatic massage will help with the swelling--and to help educate you in some home treatments and how to cautiously resume exercise.

    Unfortunately, many--if not most--surgeons don't "do" post op instructions: like not to raise the arm over shoulder height for 10 days and what to watch for.  The incidence of lymphedema with sentinel node biopsy is not exactly known, as there is no one standard for diagnosing lymphedema, but the numbers quoted are 7-25%. 

    You'll get a lot of benefit from the lymphedema PT, and it doesn't mean you have lymphedema. Risk persists, and she'll show you how to avoid the risk factors that can trigger swelling.

    Kira

  • theBCavenger
    theBCavenger Member Posts: 313
    edited May 2012

    Oh Special K - So nice to see you here too! I was going to say pretty much the same thing you did... lol :)

    Good Luck Diana 

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited May 2012

    Diana, I cannot add to the encouraging posts here --just crossing my fingers for you that you're having normal post-op symptoms and the LE therapist will help ensure that all available precautions are taken. But how about we all send some of our famous, cyber LE brownies to the physician or surgeon who took your symptoms seriously and sent you for therapy from a qualfied LE therapist!  If every woman's post-mx / node surgery care was comparable, we might well have fewer ladies hanging around this forum (we would miss them, though)! As Kira pointed out, there are encouraging studies showing benefit from very early LE treatment. No iron-clad proof of a definitive cure as yet, but as our wise Kira also said, early treatment improves LE and and gets you the information you need to reduce your LE risks going forward.

    Our term for surgeons, etc. who don't want to hear about our LE symptoms is 'doctors in denial.'  You sure don't have one of those!

    Keep us posted on what you learn as your healing progresses in the next month or so.

    Carol

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2012

    Diana, a lymphedema PT is the best thing ever after a mastectomy. It does not mean that you have lymphedema, just that you have mastectomy related swelling. But either way, the PT can help you and can minimize the problem whatever it is. Besides, the massage feels really good, so you can't lose here.

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited May 2012

    Diana--Hang in there.  You may find it is still post op swelling.  If not I am so happy your DR referred you to an LE specialist so you can get early treatment.  Just take care healing yourself and not worry about it.  Keep us posted.

  • DianaNM
    DianaNM Member Posts: 281
    edited June 2012

    Actually it was the CNP who said she would send the referral to PT, the surgeon just agreed. She was also the one that said she would order the Oncotype DX. I think I like her!

    Found a doable disguise today, so that makes me feel better. Can't wear camis or anything with a strap under my right arm, for who knows how long. But I found a light vest, and got a Trulife Featherweight foob in the mail today. It's pinned inside the vest and now I feel brave enough to go to the grocery store. Doesn't take much to make me happy these days!

  • fujiimama
    fujiimama Member Posts: 800
    edited June 2012

    SO glad they're sending you early. You will also gain other benifits.  I'm 8 months post bmx. My surgeon is very good and thought I had a great range of motion for how far out I was. I wasn't. Asked to see the PT and got my referral. Got there and found out everything was attached wrong. I also had early stage LE. So now I get to have them tear at my scar tissue and I have a ton of work ahead to rebuild muscles that atrophied because they weren't being used right. Be glad they are sending you. Hopefully they will keep you on the right path for your healing.

  • DianaNM
    DianaNM Member Posts: 281
    edited June 2012

    I really think something went wrong with me too, fujimama. The incision line goes into a ditch, and that is already developing keloids. That is one side of my "tire". It looks like half a donut is stuck under my arm, and I have no feeling in the entire area. It's not just swollen, it's kind of bizarre. Kind of like a drape under my arm. Honestly, I'm onlly about 20 pouds overweight, it's not like I had a lot of fat and skin to deal with, and was only a 38B. Anybody else have something like this?

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