DIEP Post Surgery - tell me the truth!
Okay, so i booked my diep for June 18th. I am soooo fricken nervous. Like, some days im fine but yesterday i signed the papers and now i am trying to come to terms with the fact that today i feel fine, i look fine, im acting fine...but when i wake up after the surgery i will be all scarred up and repatched together.
Maybe its part denial because i can't see or feel this cancer growth. ? I don't know. But I want to be prepared for the sensations and the awkwardness of after surgery. Everybody keeps saying its painful. But..what does that mean? Stubbing my toe is painful...having a child with no anaesthetic is painful too. WHERE is it painful?
What was the psychological adjustment for you before/after? I need advice for what to be prepping for. I know i can't be all prepared for everything but i can at least be braced for what will come emotionally and psychologically after losing both my breasts.
I had two kids, with no pain meds. Is it similar pain? Somebody else says it feels like you got hit by a truck...well...ive never been hit by a truck so...i have no baseline to compare this to.
I tore a muscle in my leg once and it was excrutiating. like, way worse than having my kids. seriously. is that what im in for?
HELP!
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NanG...I had bilateral DIEP. I also had both my children naturally with no pain meds. I have to say the pain after DIEP was worse pain. I don't know if it was because it lasted so much longer than childbirth pain, but it was severe in my case. I wasn't expecting that kind of pain. Any movement that involved using abdominal muscles (almost everything) was nearly impossible for me for about 36 hours post surgery. With that said, I would. SOOOO do it again!! I love my results. Each day got easier.
I had a unilateral mx right after diagnosis, then went through chemo and rads. So, my emotional reaction to losing a breast had already occcurred by the time I had my other breast removed and DIEP surgery. But, initially it was very hard...I had a total hysterectomy, lost a breast, lost my hair......wasn't too much left that left me feeling very feminine. I just kind of went into survival mode at that point. By the time I started recon, I felt life returning again. Hopefully, if you have immediate recon, you will wake up with warm, squishy, healthy breasts!!
I had 4 flaps removed from my abdomen and upper hip, but only needed two...so maybe my pain was more intense and widespread. You will be thrilled in the end, so try not to focus on the pain for now! Wishing you great results! -
Nan, I had a unilateral Deip 4 years ago. It's exhausting (probably partly due to the emotional component) and extremely uncomfortable due to needing to be checked hourly round-the-clock at first, and having compression things on my legs (to prevent blood clots), a binder around my tummy incision, and a warming blanket over me. And I felt like I'd been hit by a truck, so to speak, which I think had a lot to do with having been under anesthesia for so long (mine was 7.5 hrs.). But because I was hooked up to a self-administered morphine pump, there really wasn't much pain, and certainly nothing like natural childbirth was for me! As it turned out, the morphine didn't really agree with me, and I got kind of upset and agitated on it, and was much better off when they switched me to a milder, oral pain med on day #3, which was totally adequate.As far as how it looks, I was thrilled with my new, perky Diep breast, but keep in mind, it's a process. Two surgeries (original one plus Stage II for symmetry) and 3+ years later, I never give a second thought to my bc breast not being natural. It seems exactly like the other one, except for some loss of sensation. But even that's returned more than I anticipated.Yes, it's really hard to wrap your head around feeling fine, yet knowing we have to do such radical surgery (and sometimes chemo and rads), which we know will make us feel horrible. But just know that your body has a tremendous capacity to heal and rebuild, and it will. So sorry you're going through this, but thank goodness Diep recon is available to us! (((Hugs))) Deanna
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It will be painful but not unmanageable with pain meds. Honestly I barely remember the pain. The breasts are numb the abs are numb. It was my back that bothered me most. As long as I stayed on schedule with my meds I was OK. Besides pain I was extremely tired and could only stay awake for an hour the first couple of days. That got better each day along with the pain. I found childbirth much more painful.
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I am also concerned about the whole morphine pump thing. I just have no clue what its like. Im hoping that my husband can stay in the hosp with me for the first night....but i also don't want to leave my kids that night either. lol.
It is a blessing. It is also a MAJOR disruption of my life and that is starting to piss me off a little. In a weird way. In a cancer way I guess. Nobody here i think ever learns to live with thier cancer diagnosis and growths. They are unwelcome invaders that im really really mad at.
Hmmm.
Thanks so much for this advice! I do believe that I will get through this surgery fine. My PS said it would be 7 hrs which is good because online i have read 12 to 14 for bilat...which is what im having.
Can you guys tell me about what to wear as far as pants goes afterwards? I was thinking of getting one of those support camis that you are suppossed to wear after childbirth to hold the guts in as they heal...what do you think?
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I wore loose yoga pants with a wide waistband. They were perfect! My surgeon provided me with multiple bras and compression garments to wear afterward.
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Nan, if you haven't already... click on Active Topics... scroll down to Sugery-Before, During & After (the same forum you posted this in). At the very top of that forum, there's a pinned thread with all sorts of tips on preparing for surgery, including some suggestions re. clothing post-surgery. I wore zip front sports type bras, yoga pants, and tops that buttoned or zipped up the front.
Something else that helped me a lot prior to surgery was a guided imagery CD one of my SIL's gave me called SURGERY by BellaRuth Naperstek. You can find it here: www.healthjourneys.com You can listen to a snippet of it and download it immediately if it interests you. It really helped me overcome my fears, and it's supposed to help speed healing as well. Deanna
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i'm just home from my bilat diep flap surgery last thursday. here are some random bits that may be useful for you:
you will allowed nothing to eat or drink for up to 24 hours after surgery. this was possibly the worst part for me--i felt like i was dying of thirst. ask for the sponge swabs that they will dunk into cold water and let you suck. those crazy little things saved my sanity.
they will be using a doppler device to check your flaps' blood flow every 15 minutes for the first 12 hours in CCU, and then every hour or two hours until you are released from the hospital. sleep will not be an issue because you really don't have the opportunity!
the morphine pump... the line that the anesthesiologist installed before surgery will be with you when you awake--they will likely keep it there for your entire stay. it's just easier than putting in a new one if things go wrong quickly. the morphine feeds into this and don't be shy about using it. when you're lying there, doing nothing, everything's peachy. but it's when you have to move in and out of bed that you'll really need something to take the edge off. take a hit or two off your pump when you know you've got some activity ahead. you probably won't move out of the bed in CCU but you will be helped to a sitting position so you can dangle your feet off the side of the bed. you'll need to walk at least once by the end of post-op day one. some one will accompany you and you can go as far down the hall as you wish.
the foley! you will wake up from surgery with a foley catheter in your bladder. you won't feel it (but if, at any time, you start to feel urgency that is not relieved, notify your nursing staff at once; i had a kink in my foley after hysterectomy and it was agonizing). they will remove the foley as soon as you reach the stage where getting in and out of bed is at least a little more manageable--it will come quickly. the first time i left my bed to transfer to the non-CCU room, i was gasping in pain. a nurse whispered that it gets better every single time and she was right. her words helped me. of course, you've had children so you may scoff at the pain!
i ran a fever after surgery and had a fan and constant supply of ice. i think most people are cold. use your call button or you family to get you whatever you want! i had no energy or attention span---i checked email (and this board!) post-op day 2 but i couldn't even follow a 30 minute television show, much less a book or magazine.
a nurse gave me a "bed bath" on post-op day 2 and, on day 3 before i left, i took a shower. i put on the yoga pants that i had arrived in, with a long sleeved tshirt, flip flops, and down vest. some sugeons prescribe (and provide) compression garments or bras; my PS doesn't want us wearing anything binding. oh--if you have drain belt, bring it. i had one from my mastectomy and thank goodness i brought it with me because the hospital only had safety pins for my four drains. and bring sunglasses for the drive home!
good luck. it'll be great!
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I am 4 weeks post bilateral DIEP and can second the hit by a truck feeling. The hospital stay was fine- plenty of analgesia in the immediate post op period makes that bit fly by! I take a reliable laxative the night before surgery to make things a bit easier in the post op period. You will be bed bound, catheterised and on morphine so not having to worry too much about surgery induced constipation is a boon. When you start moving around you may find that the back ache is unbearable - A consequence of the abdo stitches but it will ease as your body heals.
I am feeling fitter and healthy now and barely feeling a twinge on the surgery sites. Strange as I had a CT for a study last week and a pulmonary embolism was found incidentally - no symptoms. I had heparin, the pumpy leg massagers and stockings in hospital too- go figure! -
For me, the worst part was being warm under the bearhugger and itchy, especially on my back. As far as pain goes, I had a pump, but used very little of it. I think I took one pain pill. Quite frankly, I didn't need it. About 4 weeks post surgery, when the nerves were really regnerating and nearly everything was healed, I'd have an occassional stabbing pain. The only thing that consistiently hurt during the first couple of weeks was my lower back. I was quite frankly in more pain after my first marathon.
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reading these posts, i feel real lucky to not have had any back pain. that would be miserable! i was able to stand up nearly straight the first day and am totally straight now. probably because i had plenty of belly to donate to the cause.
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After waiting 3 years after my mx I am also scheduled for bilateral DIEP on June 28th. I had not planned on doing this yet, but I am now actually looking forward to throwing away my prostetics. I'm worried about the pain, but figure I will deal with it as it comes. The only reason I am doing this now is due to a pending divorce and losing my insurance. I figured if I waited until I felt I needed it I might not be able to have it due to financial issues and change of insurance. If you would like to communicate as we both recover I figure I will have plenty of down time.
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Hi NanG, I totally understand the anxiety you are feeling. I was on an emotional roller coaster in the weeks leading up to my mastectomy/reconstruction. The night before, my partner proposed and I had one of the best and worst nights of my life!
Reading the posts on this and other threads it seems that everyone's experiences and pain tolerance is different. For me I have to say the back pain from having to lay on my back with my knees bent for 5 nights was indeed the worst thing. It was so much better once the drains were out, I was home and I was able to sleep on my side. They really should be able to keep on top of any pain you have in hospital. I'm sure you have heard that you will not be able to stand up straight for a while, it does get easier day by day.
I am two months post surgery (have nipple reconstruction and recon tidy up in two weeks) and don't have any pain as such, only discomfort and irritation with my scarring and often want to rip my clothes off at the end of the day! You will not want to wear anything that is tight across your abdomin - I still don't.
I think you are right, it is the emotional and psychological impact that has the longest lasting reach. While I am very grateful that I was able to access medical technology and care that enabled me to wake up with new breasts and can look forward to getting married and living my life, I still think about it every day. I'm told I look great (in my clothes) but I see something quite different in the mirror and wonder when the day will come when it is not at the forefront of my thoughts.
There is no point in telling you not to worry, just take a deep breath when you need to, and see the surgery as something you have to go through to get to the other side - the new and perky you! -
thank you all for sharing
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you know what is really weird and funny. last night i was reading all these replies on my ipad in bed right before i fell asleep. i put it down on my nightstand, fell asleep....and then all night i was dreaming about having had my surgery.
i dreamed that i had the surgery, and woke up and felt the pain. in my dream i actually FELT the pain. it was bad but manageable. i was shaking in my dream from the pain actually...like in shock but then i calmed down. i could see the incisions and it scared me a little but i was okay. then as i was getting better i started running again. (which i haven't done in two years).
it was an encouraging dream.
i feel like i can do this. i know i can do this. i HAVE to do this now. lol.
i want to wake up healed and whole. im not as afraid now of the pain meds and anaesthetic knowing all you ladies took it and were fine. i mean i don't have any health problems other than the cancer. i should tolerate everything fine.
i also have to remind myself that BABIES have microsurgery every day across the world and they are typically fine. so, an adult woman with no health complications should be fine. even elderly women with health complications still have diep right? or at least implants. i should be fine.
still though....feels like im standing on the high diving board for the first time. lol. u know what i mean?
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I just had a bilateral DIEP on May 24, 2012. i came home from the hospital three days ago. I have had two major issues. The first was that I could not tolerate any of the pain meds. They tried 4 or 5 different kinds, and I could not shake the nausea. The good news is, the meds really do keep the pain at bay. Now i am just taking Tylenol, and do have some discomfort. You will certainly do better than me with the meds. My second issue has been getting comfortable while sleeping propped up on my back. My husband finally went out and bought me a recliner yesterday for sleeping. it has helped.
You will do well! Good luck! -
Hi NanG. I am 6.5 weeks post diep. I had a prophylactic right mastectomy and a double reconstruction done at TGH. I had the original left mastectomy done in June 2010 , followed by chemo and radiation. I know that each of us deals with pain differently but I can honestly say that while the discomfort is unpleasant, I was not ever really in pain. Having had my kids naturally, the diep pain was nowhere near childbirth! I spent 5 days in hospital, up walking on day 2. I was told not to wear a bra or anything other than underwear. No support garments at all. I went bra less for 2 weeks then got a good sports bra that gave me a lot of relief because of the weight of the new girls! I am bigger now than I was before. I view the scars as a badge of honor - they remind me that I am defeating this cancer! It took me nearly 6 weeks to be uncomfortable free but each day gets better after the first couple of weeks. Now I can do most everything except lift anything over 10 pounds or do active sports. I can hardly wait to play golf again! If your surgery is in Toronto, I would be pleased to answer any questions you might have about the procedure there.
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susan, my surgery is in hamilton. im at juravinski and have had really good care so far. im sooooooooooooooooooo ready to be done with cancer. oh my WORD! you know, i just want to take a mental vacation from it sometimes. been thinking about asking the docs for some mchappy pills. and i realized why some patients of various ailments are given medical marijuana. boy. this is rough.
i bought a whole bunch of stuff. something gross and possibly tmi...i think my period starts on the day of my surgery. i wonder how i can "prep" for that...lol.
i am greatful this was revealed now. so that i can have it removed far from me.
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My period arrived early, the day after surgery which was less than welcome! I wasn't able to wear knickers because of the two drains so I was at a bit of a loss what to do. I had brought tampons with me, just in case my luck was out, but couldn't use them or the pads I usually put in my knickers. The nurse came to the rescue with maternity type thick pads that I just had between my legs (sorry I realize it's not the best conversation to read!) I decided not to be embarrassed by it and if there was any leakage, well at least I wasn't having to change the bed and do the washing!
It is interesting that we are all told quite different things to do/wear afterwards. Not sure how localized that is - I am in New Zealand. I was told to wear a particular type of front opening fortress of a bra day and night for six weeks for support of the new breasts' shape. -
Suzy...i was thinking of getting some of those depends undergarments for bladder control just for after the surgery because i assume that i will NOT be focused on changing pads/tampons etc. i called the ps office and they said its not an issue that they can do the surgery anyways. and i read somewhere else that when you have surgery at certain points in your cycle that it can affect your recurrance/healing? i guess when its away from your ovulation time chances are higher that you will recover completely whereas if they operate around ovulation time, it can make for a higher recurrance rate or something liket hat. so, not too upset about operating around my period. i wonder if they timed it liket hat?
in canada they haven't told me anything. although i haven't been for my preop yet. getting anxious for that actually. and i sort of feel like i should be having some form of checkups or something. i don't know. its just kind of like they diagnosed me, asked me what i wanted to do and now im just waiting for the surgery.
i wish they would give me a preop package that gives us more info regarding what we can do before hand to help and what to do after. but i wish i had it now so that i could mentally prepare a little better u know
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NanG, I have not heard anything about recovery being enhanced or impaired by ovulation, it is an interesting concept. I think we are all different, our age and general health beforehand will contribute to our recovery experience. Some people seem to breeze through when most of us struggle through day by day. I think it is important to allow ourselves to feel whatever we feel along the way.
It is more about preparing yourself mentally for whatever you are about to go through than having a checklist of things you can do before and after. They will let you know what you need to do to take care of yourself once the surgey is done.
In my experience there isn't anything else they do or check once the surgery date is set, it is just the horrible period of waiting for it. Try not to worry too much, the cancer is contained and will not be doing anything nasty while you are waiting. You should have a pre-op visit shortly before the surgery date, but again in my experience it is just to make sure you are fit for surgery, weight, blood pressure, blood tests etc. -
Here you go... http://www.cancernetwork.com/breast-cancer/content/article/10165/69873?pageNumber=1
I haven't read the entire article, but certainly worth looking into, and if your surgery date concerns you, by all means speak up and see if it can be changed to coincide with any potential benefits of scheduling within a specific timeframe. Deanna
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im reconsidering if i made the right choice. i think implants are cuter than dieps. that is a way bad reason to change my mind....but. this choice....did i make the right choice?
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I had a unilateral with deip flap and was prepared to feel like a truck hit me and I never did. My last drain came out on its own this morning, on call surgeon said it can't go back in, sterile issues- so I will call Monday. Drains weren't under the 20 ml my doc wanted do I am not sure what he will do. I hope they don't put a new one in...... I will worry about that on Monday.
In the hospital I didn't get morphine pump until night three and it was taken out in the morning, one nurse was surprised I didn't get it sooner. I am thankful the past 3 1/2 weeks have been ok. I hope everything is as good for you!!! -
I hadn't considered that it would be cuter, I chose the DEIP because I liked the idea of using my own tissue. I know a lot of women who have gotten implants and they look good. I thought that my tissue would age better than implants, since I had a unilateral mastectomy, I had visions of my natural boob sagging someday (I got a lift when they did the DEIP)and my implant still being perky..... probably not the most rational thinking but I am happy with my decision. Good luck with everything!
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NanG - appearance was one of the reasons I chose not to go with a DIEP. I figured my body was scarred up enough. I didn't want to look at a scarred up belly while in a bathing suit, although my belly would be flatter! I hope one day, BC will not be in the forefront of my mind. You need to make the choice you are most comfortable with, whatever the reasons.
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I am leaning toward flap reconstruction for the same reason as sammistar50. I only had one breast removed, and at 56, the remaining natural breast is already quite droopy and likely to continue its southward migration over time, while the implant wouldn't. I could have the natural breast lifted to match the implant, but I really don't want to start messing around with it. That, and the fact that an implant would probably have to be replaced at least once and maybe twice or three times, were also less than appealing to me.
However, if that's you in your avatar picture, I'd guess I am at least 15 or 20 years older than you are. The perkier boobs that you could expect from implants are more age-appropriate for you than for me, and since you are having a bilateral MX, matching the reconstructed breast to the natural one won't be a problem for you.
One other thought--if you get implants now, I think it's possible to replace them with a flap procedure later, but I'm not at all sure the reverse is possible (i.e. replace a flap with implants).
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U know what? After all this, i ended up calling the ps and confirming to go with tissue expanders and implants...
It was confusing a little but in the midst of clarifying and confirming i found out they'd only booked me for a single mastectomy by mistake!! imagine that!! i wake up and the other one's still there!!!! Gah. So, its a good thing
The other positive is that my daughter is only 3.5 yrs and going through her seperation anxiety phase. Four + nights in the hosp recovery is not a good idea for me at this point. PS also said that if at a later date i decide i want to go for a diep and remove implants that i can and i believe its still covered in ontario if i do that.
Thank the Lord for clarity!
Also, im not keen on the flat stomach look. My stomach has a lot of extra fat and stretched skin from having my babies...but when i look at the tummies of people who've had the diep i know i like mine better the way it is. i think with my shape i might look a little man-ish with that. because right now i don't have a deep curve between my hips n waist. i think i would look like a flat rectangle. so, i decided its not for me.
Prayers and blessings for your recons and recovery girls!
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I'm glad you've made your decision. I know I felt so much better once I knew which way I wanted to go. Having the DIEP option down the road takes some of the pressure off now, especially since you have young ones. Best wishes!
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Finally, something I know about.... I am knee deep in deciding on chemo - So somewhat distracted.... BUT I had a DIEP on May 11th, 2012. I previously had (8 years ago) 2 lumpectomies and radiation on my left breast, left with chronic pain...Drs didn't know why......I wouldn't let anyone touch me, couldn't hold a baby, couldn't hug. I went into a profolactic DM (sadly more cancer they weren't expecting) but as far as the DIEP goes.... I am a HUGE fan! I have hated every part of my cancer experience except for the DIEP. For sure, this is a big surgery! But you go to sleep with breasts, and you wake up with breasts.....Not the ones you lost, yet breast mounds for sure! And a flat stomach to boot! I never felt "less of a woman" and I can't wait for nipple reconstruction! I was out in my swim suit today - Not self conscience, not worried - I hate cancer - but I LOVE the DIEP! It was the right decision for me, no more chronic pain on my left side, increasing feeling everywhere - I know I will never have the breasts I lost, but they were trying to kill me..... These are perky, happy and no pain! If you live anywhere in the PNW Dr Kim is your man. Nothing is gurarenteed, but I am wearing the bra a wore before surgery and SOOOO happy about my DIEP decision.
ps No scars, all is done through a keyhole incision, no horizotal scar, just round shaped scars that will be used for nipples, then tatooing. No scar at all across the breast - Kinda looks like barbie boobs right now - but in a few months, they will look like real boobs, but of course, no feeling.....but to the touch, as soft as your belly fat!
This is a big decision - I'm only saying, that although I remain pissed off at cancer - the DIEP has been a true blessing for me.
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I do agree with ughhh on the DIEP I had mine in NOLA love the doctors, nurses and everybody there they made the surgery so easy. I had never had a major surgery like this before, the closet thing to a surgery I had was on my jaw. While after Stage 1 I felt like I was hit repeatly by a semi, I had some weird comfort though that I still had breast when I wake up. After the Stage 2 surgery the "girls" are pretty!! Oh, I had the NS/SS DIEP and my nipples work!! Grant it, I can't make them but they know when they're cold! They're a lot smaller I went from a very, very full 34DD to a 34D but I'm told there is still swelling so I guess I'll get smaller. But no biggie as least that's not the first thing people see anymore nor will I be known for the HUGE breast. Breast cancer and it's treatment is just a b!*ch. I miss me the old emotional me not what I am now.
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