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kane744
kane744 Member Posts: 461
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

Hi all.  Been awhile.  Had my mammogram yesterday.  Would have been my fourth cancer free year.  Except it wasn't.  There's a mass in my LEFT breast this time.  And this time they didn't try to pretend that it wasn't the big C.  My biopsy is on Friday morning.  I will get a bilateral mastectomy this time.  No fooling around.  And I don't want reconstruction.  Still, I have loads of questions.  

With LE in right hand, arm, breast I'm really concerned/scared how this will affect my LE.  Any advice/guidelines?

I'm concerned/scared about developing it on my left side now.  Any advice/guidelines/personal experiences?

I was told I probably couldn't have a port put in this time.  My veins are shit.  How do I deal with this?

I'm sure other questions will pop up from time to time, so I will tune in more regularly again.  I'm ready to fight this fight.  Oddly enough, knowing what lies ahead and having gotten through it before, has been calming.  I can do it again.  That's not to say I'm not angry, cause I am.  Pissed off would be more like it.  

Thanks all for what I'm sure will be great advice.

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  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited May 2012

    Oh Kane! This completely stinks.

    Of course I'm going to ask Binney to weigh in, as she really is the expert.

    Basic stuff to decrease the risk of LE on the left: 1) don't raise the arm above shoulder height for 10-14 days post op (turns out that's the standard in other countries...), 2) can you see your LE therapist before surgery, for pre-op measurements and some MLD?, 3) chemo in the arm will increase the risk of LE as it's so irritating, can they at least put in a PICC?, 4) talk to your surgeon about your LE as gentle handling of the tissues makes a difference, 4)seeing a LE therapist through out treatment would be helpful--it's the protocol for "high risk" patients at one of the local hospitals, and I've seen women do well--one in particular that I think about, was given a sleeve/gauntlet and wore it through chemo and radiation and is doing well still. At least with the BMX there's a low chance you'll need rads--and rads are a big risk for LE.

    Remember the SUSO page for health care providers? Perhaps that would be helpful.

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/essential%20informat%20for%20healthcare%20providers.htm

    How can we help?

    Kira

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited May 2012

    Hi again Kane,

    We just posted on your other thread re: non-reconstruction after mastectomy. Saw this thread and thought it might be helpful to provide you with a link to the main Breastcancer.org site's Lymphedema section, especially the Additional Surgery and Other Treatments After a Lymphedema Diagnosis page to gather some tips on how to reduce your risk of lymphedema or lymphedema flare-up. Hope this helps!

    --The Mods

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012
    Oh, Kane, I am so sorry. I have had truncal LE for almost four years and had begun having slight feelings of arm involvement prior to surgery to deconstruct my reconstruction and remove my implants. I was concerned about whether the surgery would exacerbate the current truncal LE or increase the likelihood of arm developing LE. I did a lot of research and ended up traveling to Charleston to have Dr. Massey perform my surgery. It was a combination of reasons I chose to travel for the surgey, but her "protect the limb" protocol was impressive and one of them. I asked a few local surgeons if they could provide the same care, but it wasn't possible in my area. I don't know where you live, but it is worth asking these questions that can minimize the impact of surgery:




    1. Can you have IV placed in neck or foot for surgery? (I had in neck)

    2. Can you have BP monitored on calf during surgery?

    3. Can both of your arms be wrapped prior to surgery?

    4. I went for several sessions of MLD prior to surgery just to make sure everything was in tip top shape. MLD prior to surgery, after and in the days that follow is helpful in reducing post surgery swelling and in maintaining the level of your current LE. It's much easier to have someone do for you while you are healing.




    I have included a link to Dr. Massey's protect the limb protocol. I think it should be the standard for all patients having a mastectomy. Kira mentioned baseline measurements of your unaffected arm, and I agree that would be helpful, and that happens to be part of the protocol as well. I am not pushing Dr. Massey, but I am using her as an example of the best proactive care. As a PS she has an excellent understanding LE and its treatment because she has LANA certification and is working on the development of lymph node transfer surgeries.




    http://www.nilymph.com/proactive
  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited May 2012

    Oh Kane--What bummer news.  Welcome back though.  As Kira said Binney will probably be along soon to give you advice. 

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited May 2012

    ((((Kane)))) Cyber hugs are not much help.  Sorry to see you back.

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited May 2012

    Sorry to hear about this. It's sure right to be pissed! Sounds like you have made some decisions already and now you will surge ahead. I decided to do dble mas. years back and I feel so much more at ease even today. I wanted it even though one side was phrophy. You may also.

    Are they taking nodes out also ?

    Big hugz for you. Posting when you are able will be helpful. We will lift you up when you are down. 

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited May 2012
  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited May 2012

    Kane, I'm so sorry to hear this.

    I don't have any LE advice but I do have one question. Were you given a reason that you couldn't have a port put in? Which doc gave you this info? I'm asking because you might get a second opinion (and a port!) if you speak to a different doc.

    Best of luck with you treatments. It sucketh mightily.

    Leah

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited May 2012

    Kane, my stomach did that drop-to-the-floor feeling when I read this news.Frown It sounds like you have a plan already in place, and you're already getting back into Extreme Sport mode to cope with the next steps. You inspire! But I sure wish you didn't have to.

    Unless you already have a clear and understandable explanation for the no-port ruling, I'm with Leah on seeking out another opinion. Otherwise, it looks like there are already lots of suggestions here for dealing with the bilat problem. 

    Just want to add that I hear you on not wanting to deal with LE in your other arm too, but this time around you're so much more aware that if you have to deal with it at all you'll be right on top of it from the earliest moment. Which makes it a very different experience, both in treatment and in on-going control. 

    Tell us, please, how we can help.

    Warm hugs, prayers,
    Binney

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited May 2012

    Kane, I am thinking about you. You are right you can do this again and rock the world while you are at it!

  • kane744
    kane744 Member Posts: 461
    edited May 2012

    Thanks, to all.  You always come through, no matter how long I've been away living life bestest I can.  Tomorrow is the biopsy.  Part of what's kept me busy is volunteering to talk to women recently dx'd with a similar cancer.  Now I have to practice what I've been preaching.  Always a good thing, no?  Have been working on my game plan.  Binny, I will be much stronger this time protecting my body.  There are things I am insisting on and I WILL succeed or go elsewhere.  Don't think that will be necessary.  Been on the site re choosing no reconstruction which has been helpful. My DH and I have looked at pictures together and are comfortable with our decision.  Deep down in, though, I have a niggily little wish that the test will result in good news.  Sigh.  Thanks again.  Will let you know the results.  

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited May 2012

    Kane, I have a real niggly BIG wish for B9 results from that biopsy tomorrow. And it's not even deep down in, it's right out here in the open.Kiss Hold that thought!

    Hugs, big hopes,
    Binney

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited May 2012

    Good luck Kane.

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited May 2012

    I will be thinking about you tomorrow Kane.

  • kane744
    kane744 Member Posts: 461
    edited May 2012

    Biopsy not good news. New primary cancer in left other breast.  Have appt. Thurs. with oncologist; next Thurs. with surgeon.  Have made up my mind--bilateral mastectomy with no recon.  Feeling sad but strong.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited May 2012

    Kane, I wish we were close enough to share a for-real hug, a box of kleenex, maybe a cup of tea--and end up with some shared laughter too. YES, you're strong! You even have the experience to KNOW it. But it rots anyway.

    Glad it's a new primary and not otherwise. I also did bilat with no recon and find it entirely doable, even these years later. No regrets. Have you been to "Erica"/Barbara's BreastFree.org website? Very can-do and helpful. 

    How can we help? Hugs,
    Binney

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited May 2012

    Kane, making up your mind is already one giant testimony to your strength--and a big step toward putting this behind you. Keep us posted.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Kane, Binney said it so well. It really does rot though, and I wish I could give you a hug. Having done the bilateral with implant recon and then undoing the recon last year due to complications, I will also say that it is completely doable. There really is something to be said for keeping things simple and your health in the fore.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2012

    Blech! I hear you on being pissed off, yet ready to face off with the beast once again. I can't offer much advice, except to say that when I had my most recent surgery, I had some LE issues on both sides, having just finished chemo. I asked that they not use my arms at all, and they didn't. They started an IV in my ankle/foot, then when I was knocked out, they put the second IV in my neck. The BP monitor was on my other leg. It worked fine and saved me some of the LE worry.

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited May 2012

    Kane~just what the others have said.  In hindsight I wish I'd gone for bilat. mast. instead of single.  (((Kane)))

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited May 2012

    Kane--like the others said.  I wish we could have a group tea party to lift up your spirits.  You are strong.  Keep us posted.  I will be thinking about you.  (())

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited May 2012

    Kane- I have no words of advice, but want you to know that we are all here supporting you. Sending a big hug from across the miles. (((((())))))

  • sushanna1
    sushanna1 Member Posts: 764
    edited May 2012

    Kane,

    Hang in there.  We will be thinking of you.

    Sue 

  • kane744
    kane744 Member Posts: 461
    edited June 2012

    Met with my oncologist yesterday.  It is considered a new primary cancer, identical to the other breast, and she agrees with my decisions for BMX with no recon. She gave me everything I wanted--appts with LE therapist before and after surgery, MLD a week prior and after for as long as needed, physical therapy, pain meds ahead of time that she and I know will work for me.  I CAN have a port and she will consult with surgeon to have it put in the same time as the BMX.  Chemo will be same as last time but they won't know about rads until after surgery and pathology report.  I am triple negative in this breast as well.  At least I'm consistent.  My LE is still beautifully managed and I hope will remain so.  I'm a bit depressed today.  It's all hitting me hard.  Next week am having PET body scan followed by MRI of brain.  I took a picture of my breasts for memories.  Honestly, they are not all that attractive any more! LOL.   

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited June 2012

    Kane, we're all here and hoping this new cancer journey goes as smoothly as possible.

    Glad your LE is beautifully managed and your onc is supportive and you can get the port.

    I think the fact that you can feel the sadness is a good thing: I was so numb and terrified, I felt nothing for a long time.

    Hang in there and thanks for the update.

    Kira

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited June 2012

    Kane~your MO sounds like she's great and really has your best interests at heart.  Someone you can trust.  I think you'll find the port is a plus. 

    I'm sorry for your sadness.  This must be so overwhelming.

    Gentle hugs.

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited June 2012

    Oh Kane--I would be down too if I had to do this journey over as you do.  I am happy your LE is under control right now.  Now go out and treat yourself to something fun.  Pamper yourself.  You deserve it. 

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited June 2012

    Kane, I'm glad things are moving in the right direction but I'm so sorry to hear about the sadness.

    Actually, to put it better, I'm sorry about the sadness but only because of the reason for it.

    Sending love.

    Leah

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited June 2012
    Kane, thinking of you today. The weekends are so stupid long, but I hope you're doing something restoring to your spirit. Hugs,
    Binney
  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2012

    Kane, I am glad you have such a caring and responsive doc, but so sorry you have to go through all this again.

    Back when I was young and firm, lol,  I posed nude for an art photographer, so I keep one of those shots to remind me of the boobs. That way I can pretend they always looked that good ;)

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