April 2012 Chemo Starters?

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  • SinginCyndi
    SinginCyndi Member Posts: 60
    edited May 2012

    I've been feeling great - that is until yesterday- when they checked my counts the white blood cells were at 2,000 and the neutrophil count was at 200. SO i had to take the decadron and benedryl and go back two hours later for my neupogen. Of course that brought me right down, slept alot and didn't have any energy at all then I went back today for another neupogen.

    What gets me is they kept asking me over and over how I felt-I really did feel great all week-I suppose I was a bit tired and I knew my patience was wearing quite thin. And I had a lot of headaches-but I'm a migraine sufferer so that's no biggie to me. Take my meds and keep going. They also seem so perplexed that I wear cloth gloves. I keep getting "the look" like they think I'm crazy. But hey I haven't been sick and I've been wearing the gloves everywhere I go. I've been garage saling and into stores and I wore face masks when I knew my levels were supposed to drop.

    Anyway the NP told me I was to absolutely stay out of stores and not be around crowds, not to be near the chicken coop and no digging in the dirt. I then told her that when I do the dishes or work preparing food I wear rubber gloves-she asked me why I was doing dishes. It's like what the heck I've been feeling fine. I guess it shouldn't bother me but it does. Oh well, life goes on and I'm grounded for the week-end. Hopefully my numbers will be back up and I can have chemo on Wed. It'll be 3 of 4 so I'm half way there...

  • twostep62
    twostep62 Member Posts: 38
    edited May 2012

    Cyndi:  I just take the one shot of Neulasta 24 hours after chemo.  I know exactly what you mean.  I felt pretty good he next few days and then they tell me my count is extremely low.  Even then,  I felt pretty good.   And I was digging in the dirt - repotting some plants.    They told me to stay away from crowds but I would go to Kroger early in the morning b4 the crowds.     This whole thing is just so confusing at times. 

    I'm glad you are almost over with your sessions too.     My halfway mark was a real celebration time for me.

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited May 2012

    Good Luck Cyndi.  I am 1/2 way to 3/4.  My next treatment (#3) is on June 7th.  I am dreading it, but I have to stay positive...  We will be 75% done!

  • JRyan
    JRyan Member Posts: 178
    edited May 2012

    Been a quiet-ish week. Se's not too bad. Just tired all the time. Not looking forward to Thursday's treatment, except that it puts me at the 1/2 way mark. I am really tired of being tired though :-)

    Hope everyone is doing ok and having a nice long weekend!

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited May 2012

    JRyan:  I hear ya.  I am just wiped out today.  I took a nap at 9 this morning!  

  • eric95us
    eric95us Member Posts: 2,845
    edited May 2012

    My wife is done with the four doese dense AC infusions and will be starting on the four Taxol next Monday. As I posted in another forum, she's tired and bald but standing tall....

  • nofear2012
    nofear2012 Member Posts: 160
    edited May 2012

    Eric95us keep us posted ad to her se, myself & a few others will be starting taxol in the next week or so. Hope her se are minimal ad well.

  • eric95us
    eric95us Member Posts: 2,845
    edited May 2012

    She managed to get enough energy to drink a margarita. It didn't help with the tiredness or baldness, but it sure helped her attitude! :-)

    Eric

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited May 2012

    eric:  Good to hear she's well enough to enjoy her cocktails!

  • SinginCyndi
    SinginCyndi Member Posts: 60
    edited May 2012

    Well today was productive and I have thoroughly enjoyed myself. It was actually kind of nice to have an excuse to stay home all weekend. I continued to do dishes and tend to things around the house. I even started on the end of year teacher appreciation gifts. I decided to use what I had here on hand and came to the realization that I better get crackin' on them because my next round of chemo is Wed. and the last day of school is next Tues. No money to splurge this year so I am making aprons and chocolate popcorn as treats. The robin egg blue tablecloth was turned into 4 aprons for the women teachers and aide and for my DD's male teacher I am making a canvas apron with Godzilla iron ons.I lucked out and found a package of inkjet iron on paper for super cheap and when I bought it Thurs. I didn't even know what I'd use it for.

    Tomorrow I go back to get another neupogen shot and I'm not really looking forward to it but got to keep the counts up. I remember you all in my prayers each night that you will all find a way to go on with strength and courage.

    It's so hard to believe that 4 months ago the nightmare began. But I have to admit I was much more scared then than I am now. I can't believe some of the decisions I made seems kinda silly I saved my 20 inch pony tail. I've made so many scarves it seems excessive but it got me through. Well I obviously am tired because I'm rambling. So I better say good night all.

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited May 2012

    Cindi, you gotta do what you gotta do (scarves).  It's okay.  I went bonkers and bought a bunch of scarves (on sale), and still don't know how to tie them even though I have watched the you tube vidoes numerous times.  I am directionally challenged, what canI say.  Plus, I bought about 6 hats.  I have worn one once out that's it.  I usually wear my wig when I go out, but it's do darned uncomfortable I B&(!$ and moan the entire time I have it on.  Today, I may wear and scrarg to work and shock all my co-workers as I woke up with a bunch of hives and a lot of them are on the top of my head, and I am itching and scratching a lot.  Not fun!

  • Buttons2
    Buttons2 Member Posts: 72
    edited May 2012

    I finished my dose dense AC treatments and start my taxol treatment Friday I'm nervous and am hoping that its better than the AC, my short term memory is a mess to where I can't do my job so I'm still on short term disability. I do get to meet my radiation oncologist thursday. I've been rocking the bald look to hot for anything else :-)

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited May 2012

    Buttons:  I hear.  I actually wore a scarf to work today instead of my wig and it was so cold I put a sweater on there that is kind of like a shawl.  Someone told me I looked like a fortune teller!    Good luck with the taxol.  Glad to hear you are done with yoour AC

  • twostep62
    twostep62 Member Posts: 38
    edited May 2012

    Buttons,  been wondering how you were doing.......I will start the Taxol (4 treatments) next week and I have heard the SE's are not as bad .....let's hope so.    We've all come a long way in the last few weeks.....we're nearing the finish line......

  • SinginCyndi
    SinginCyndi Member Posts: 60
    edited May 2012

    kjiberty: I hope your hives clear up and give you some relief. one quick way I tie my scarf is to just tie it in a know in back then put like a hair tie around it it's super quick and works great- if it's long enough you can pouf it up through the tie! I and know about the cold head - it's crazy isn't it? Some mornings I plop a hat right on top the scarf.

    Hope all your SEs are doing better and  twostep62 I lucked out this time my counts at 32,000so no neupogen Thurs. - I go tomorrow for my TC chemo- I suppose they won't check me til next week because my numbers are through the roof.

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited May 2012

    Goof luck SinginCyndi with your T/C.  

  • Sissydi
    Sissydi Member Posts: 516
    edited May 2012

    S.E. 's with Taxol have not been as bad as A/C! I'm 2 days out from my second Taxol treatment, and I feel like I've got my life back a bit. Definitely my appetite !

  • Pelicangirl
    Pelicangirl Member Posts: 50
    edited May 2012

    Insomnia update: I have not been sleeping at night except in fits and starts since AC number 2 and it has taken a toll physically and emotionally. It is the terrible hot flashes plus bone pain and muscle aches from neulasta preventing me from sleeping. My abdomen was also really distended. I have AC number 3 tomorrow and just didn't think I could face it so called onc yesterday morning to report side effects.. They had me come in right away.. They were worried about possible bowel obstruction bc of bloated belly. Bowel was ok.. I have been having regular bowel movements but turned out my stomach was bloated full of air! Onc was doing rounds at hospital but Physicians asst. saw me and said chronic lack of sleep interferes with your circadian rhythmss and night time sleep is when your body primarily engages in disgestion and cellular repair. So without enuf sleep i wasnt digesting well and blew up with gas! She said what probably saved me from bowel obstruction is all the senna I take plus drinking lots of water and eating lots of fruit. She said bottom line is that I must get more sleep and hopefully as i rest and relax I will fart out all the air! So how to sleep? I already take clonazepam 2X /day..she prescribed something called temazepam that is supposedly stronger. So did I sleep last nite? That would be NO. But I was more relaxed between the hot flashes...and it helped some of the muscle pain but that is all. She did say if it didn't work there r stronger things they can prescribe. I see onc tomorrow before chemo and I will tell him I need the tranquilizer they give elephants! If any of u r on something that is helping u sleep at nite please please share! Also..like many of you my white blood cell count is falling despite the neulasta shot...also borderline anemic. But my liver function and other labs were good..she attributed that to good hydration and getting sufficient protein. So ladies...i guess we need to keep drinking lots of water and try to get fruit and protein if we can bear it . I am having good luck with baked fish..beef chicken and pork taste nasty to me. For fruit I am doing berries and watermelon. Bless all of us thru this AC phase. It won't last forever!

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited May 2012

    Haven't been here in a while.... Hope the side effects are minimal or at least on the way to becoming much better for all.

    Pelicangirl- Are you taking any Claritin after you receive your Neulasta shot?  i've read several places on the boards that taking Claritin the day you receive the shot and continue for 5-7 days after you receive the shot, that it may help with the bone pain.  There is also an ongoing clinical trial to determine if Claritin (Loratadine- chemical in Claritin) is actually effective for this type of bone pain.  The protocal for the clinical trial is to take a Claritin the day you receive the shot followed by taking one Claritin daily for 7 days.  I haven't received a Neulasta shot but will be receiving one next Wednesday after my 3rd round of chemo.  I hope you get some sleep and get everything else under control so your side effects calm down.

  • SinginCyndi
    SinginCyndi Member Posts: 60
    edited May 2012

    I keep hearing all the talk about clariton for the bone aches with the neupogen/neulasta shots but my onc says no to clariton and yes to benadryl (sp) I haven't had any bone pain at all I take the benedryl and decadron before and for 3 days after my shots. This coming week I have 3 one the way. Slept like a rock last night and  2 hour nap this morning. Yesterdays chemo had me cracnking like crazy couldn't sit still.

     Heading out to deliver teachers gifts in an hour. Hope you all have restful days and easy SE's. 

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited May 2012
    SinginCyndi- Interesting..... I'm going to talk to my onco right before my next treatment on Tuesday and see what she thinks about the benedryl.  Hey, I'm willing to give whatever I can to try to prevent the Neulasta pain!!!
  • Pelicangirl
    Pelicangirl Member Posts: 50
    edited May 2012

    Thanks Ladies for the tips for neulasta. I have been doing the Claritin since the first neulasta shot along with ibuprofen per the onc's suggestion...I take 2 clariton per day..one every twelve hours starting day before the shot and continuing now for about 10 days after each shot since the bone pain is erratic with me..after treatments one and two ithe pain hit me on days 7 thru ten. I take the ibuprofen about every 6-8hours as needed for same length of time. They were worried about effects of so much Ibuprofen on my liver but labs yesterday were good and they attribute it to drinking lots of water...flushing out the ibu from my system. I asked the doctor today why I am having so much bone pain from the neulasta and he says some people just do...but that it is essential to keep taking it bc it keeps the white blood cell count from tanking...that would lead to whole host of other more serious problems none of us need ! But ironically, like you all mentioned..he said I might want to try Benadryl as an alternative...will definitely do that ..as a plus it might make me sleepier...right now anything that makes me sleepy is GOLD!

    He also prescribed something else to go along with the Restaryl (tomazapam) to relieve my anxiety and help me sleep .. Can't remember name of it at moment..i am in serious serious chemo fog ! I think they put a lot of "relaxing stuff in my pre-med drip today bc I was obviously so anxious exhausted and in poor spirits. They kept reminding me only one more AC to go!(guess a lot of people freak out half way thru AC). Will let u know how I sleep tonight.. With all the stuff I am taking I should sleep like a log!

    Peaceful restful night to us all! PelicanGirl

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited June 2012

    Pelicangirl:  I hope you get a good night's sleep soon!  I feel your pain!  Even ambien gives me about 4 hours!  It's very frustrating.  

  • JRyan
    JRyan Member Posts: 178
    edited June 2012

    Hi everyone. Had 3rd tx yesterday and slept about 2 hours tonight. Up & bored... thought I'd catch up on the board. Very restless tonight, legs, brain, back pain too. Neulasta shot at noon today, ugh. I just keep reminding myself that i am now halfway there... my onc offered me pain meds today to help with sleep & the nonstop achiness. Is anyone trying that? I am SO paranoid of addiction issues, but really hate the never-ending aches and pains that the otc's aren't touching.

    Hope this finds all handling the se's with minimal issues! I am thankful for this board daily!

  • SinginCyndi
    SinginCyndi Member Posts: 60
    edited June 2012

    I must have overdone it yesterday, took my time out and about but felt pretty good - crashed when I got home. Not too bad getting up this morning, but no energy now. I slept a few hours but am still not perky. Started some organizing activities and am looking at a bigger mess-why oh why did I do that? Neupogen #2 &3 on Mon. and Tues. just so we can go camping a few nights.

    I too enjoy checking in on the boards daily and hope everyone is getting the rest and nutrition they need.

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited June 2012

    SinginCyndi and JRyan:  Hope you're feeling better!

  • twostep62
    twostep62 Member Posts: 38
    edited June 2012

    My new SE is driving me nuts.....my fingertips have now peeled off a couple of times and are very tender and sore.   This is also happening to my feet and it is getting harder to walk without pain.  My heels are cracked and very sore.   The Onc calls it the hand and foot syndrome and told me some people do get this with chemo.   Is anyone else experiencing any of this and what are you doing about it?  I've been putting vaseline on my heels and wearing light socks......

    I had my last treatment last Thursday and I still don't feel as good as I had been feeling by this time.    My stomach is a mess...not much has any taste and just about everything I eat either makes me feel nauseaus or I get acid reflex.  I've lost 10 lbs now and I know that is more than they want us to lose.  It's just so hard to force food that tastes terrible.

    I get my first taxol treatment Thursday....hoping it will not be as bad .......   I look so forward to feeling "halfway normal"....... after Thursday only 3 more to go....I'm hanging on to that positive note. 

    I guess the good news is that the tumor is shrinking....thank God.  I go to visit my cancer surgeon on the 17th and I sure hope her news is good.  

    Does anyone know how long you have to wait after chemo b4 they will operate?

    I hope e'one has a good night....... and that the side effects are not as bad.

    Carolyn

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited June 2012

    Carolyn: I am keeping you in my prayers.  I had my chemo AFTER my surgery and after my oncotype test came back, which suggested I would benefit with 4 rounds of T/C chemo.  

    SinginCyndi: Hives are now coming and going. They aren't as bad as earlier last week.  I was at BB & B this afternoon and a whole new crop showed up while I was in the store.  I noticed when I took a shower, they cropped up again.  I guess I won't be using my Amazing Grace soap for a while.  Went to Walgreen's and they suggested Aveeno liquid soap.  Hopefully it will keep it at bay.   

  • SinginCyndi
    SinginCyndi Member Posts: 60
    edited June 2012

    two step I sure hope you can get some relief for your dry skin-I've been using my homemade mix of beeswax, coconut oil(which by the way is really cheap at the grocery store and soaks in really well) and canola. It really coats well and does absorb. My friend who did 9 months of chemo brought me some Palmers coconut butter formula-you can get it at Walgreens or Walmart-not expensive is wonderfully smooth also.

    My mouth is now the problem and throat so sore-Mary's magic mouthwash is bringing some relief but eating is very painful.

  • kjiberty
    kjiberty Member Posts: 1,385
    edited June 2012

    Singincyndi:  Ask your MO about MUgard.  I used it last treatment and it worked really, really well to keep the sores away.  It's an prescription and you have to see if your insurance will pay for it. My sister is a radiation therapist in Detroit and her hospital and docs prescribe it for their patients.  She gave me a bottle of it to try for my last treatment. I am calling my MO tomorrow to see if my insurance will pay for it.  ALso, where do you buy beeswax to make your homemade mix?

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