December 2011 Surgeries - want to wait together?

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  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited May 2012

    I asked my MO why I hadn't been referred for BRCA testing, so she referred me on Monday.

    On Tuesday, the Geneticist called, and did a phone interview.

    It was obvious within a few minutes that my risk was low, but we talked for an hour anyway (interesting woman!!!) and she ran more numbers, and asked me to call her back if I found any more evidence of any kind of cancer in the family.

    She said that right now my risk of carrying the gene is around 1%. So no testing for me!

  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited May 2012

    Blessings, well good. And at least now you know.

  • Bogie
    Bogie Member Posts: 286
    edited May 2012

    Good morning Dec. sisters I'm just catching my breath in a long series of bad luck from TE replacements with capsular contracture and lymphadema with CC starting again. If my body rejects the TE this time I'm done. I will take them out and not have reconstruction.



    The good news after not being able to tolerate Arimidex side effects, Aromasin seems to be agreeing with me or is tolerable so far and I'm so glad I didn't give up on trying something new. Also added Zoloft for anxiety a very low dose and this has also done the trick.



    Cookie I just wrote down your allergy alternative tips to surgery without the adhesives. It happened 3 times too many and I don't want to go through that again in my upcoming surgeries.



    Ginger, I'm also going Friday for a sleep study. I am so sick of medical things and am looking forward to getting a life back hopefully soon with foobs or not I don't care anymore. Thinking I need a vacation next year!!

  • CookieMonster
    CookieMonster Member Posts: 1,035
    edited May 2012
    Hugs Bogie - it sounds like you've had quite your fill of bad luck. I hope that CC stays away this time. Good for finding a drug regimine that works for you. And BOO to allergies.
  • faithhopenluv
    faithhopenluv Member Posts: 323
    edited May 2012

    Ginger - and anyone else that did a preventative MX. I am not planning to have a SNB on my right side. I have such LE risk from the left I'd like to have a good arm left. But I know if they find anything in the right breast they will no longer be able to identify the sentinel node. I had an MRI in Dec, a PET in feb and will have another PET before surgery. Not to mention chemo. I am hoping the right will test clean, but still am concerned I'm going to regret the decision. Did anyone have to go back for the node dissection?



    Bogie - I'm so sorry you are having so many issues. All of this is hard enough the first time. Hugs to you

  • Bogie
    Bogie Member Posts: 286
    edited May 2012

    Thanks Cookie and Ginger hugs to you both!!



    Ginger, I had MX one side with no cancer and am glad I didn't have lymphnode removal. I would try not to, to have one good arm if possible. Can they biopsy fluid without removal?



    I was researching Charleston, SC for medical to possibly relocate with my family and found many on this site are traveling there across country for treatment. I think that has answered my question! good news :)

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited May 2012

    Faith - interesting question I'd never thought of before, nor asked about.  I hope someone can answer.

     I did have a Petscan before my BMX (right side prophylactic) and nothing showed up (eventual path was clean), but I also know a Petscan (maybe that was the CT, not sure) won't catch something below 5mm. What if after the pathology on the "clean breast" cancer showed up? I know the cancerous nodes "feel different," but likely one would have more nodes removed than with SNB in any followup.  Have they done a US of your right axillary area?  I understand an US comes up with 20% false negatives, but it catches cancer in the nodes (not micromets) 80% of the time.  Did a mammo not detect your first cancer?  Mine lit up on a mammo, so I felt pretty confident that my right breast was clean, as it was.

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited May 2012

    Bogie- my sleep study showed that I stopped breathing an average of 45 times every hour. That may explain my exhaustion! I went back for another one where they put a CPAP machine on me to see if it helps but do not have my results yet. I know what you mean about wanting to get past all this. I am so sick of dr appts running my life!



    Faith- I had SNB on both sides. My lymphedema is on my cancer side.



    I have not had any scans; I go back to Onc in June.



    Did the Relay for Life this weekend. I am wiped out!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited May 2012

    Ginger/Bogie - I have been treated for sleep apnea.  The diff between using the cpap machine and not is really incredible.  Headaches, constant tiredness, not being able to exercise at full bore,  memory issues to feeling refreshed...and that was only 12 events an hour (they said I was borderline apneic (sp?) and that shocked me considering how bad I felt).  Initially the mask is difficult to get use to (especially when it is warm), but now I associate good feelings with wearing it.

    Faith-  adding to what Bogie said, I had a SNB 0/1 and did experience cording. My BS said my risk of LE was like 1% (I've seen differeing opinions) and cording had no connection to LE (I've seen differing opinons on that). I am fine now....a PT got rid of the cording.  My BS even released me for BP and blood draws on my cancer side after SNB (guess what..differing opinions on that too).

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited May 2012

    Kam- I feel all those things you described and cannot wait to feel better. They called mine severe obstructive sleep apnea. I am ready to feel good! I hope I can get used to wearing the mask; waiting to hear when I get it. I feel kind of wierd saying this but I am anxious to get it and see if it helps.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited May 2012

    Be patient with the mask. You will eventually get use to it. I prefer the mask, btw, to the nares.

    Solar eclipse just went over my town...we're almost dead center. I thought with 97% of the sun covered it would get much darker than it did.  Right during the annular phase, a misty cloud covered the sun..presumably making it even darker.  I did have turn to the lights on in my house, where I noticed it the eclipse the most. 

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited May 2012
    faithhopenluv, I had a mx for DCIS and they took 2 nodes. They did not do any "sentinel nodes" testing, just yanked out the two "level 1 nodes" according to the path report. As the ratfink surgeon never said anything about the node removal either before or after doing it, I only have it from the oncologists that this means the nearest nodes. Both were clear and presumed officially out of the woods, but I suppose if the sentinel nodes were not the nearest ones, I may have false confidence. With my later bilateral DIEP, I had the other mx prophylactically (by different surgeons!), and it was roundly agreed no nodes needed to be removed as I had a clear mammo on that side within the year. After surgery, they dissected the breast and found nothing amiss, so that is done, but if they had found something, I would have thought they could have just reopened and taken the nearest nodes again. It wasn't an elegant strategy the first time, but that's what they did. I have truncal LE on the node side and no issues on the other side. 
  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited May 2012

    Hope all are doing well!  This weekend I had a first.  After the UMX and reconstruction on December 1, I had not been comfortable enough to show my husband the post-surgery site. I have no nipple or aerola. I know it was all in MY head, thought I looked strange.  After months of inner pep-talks I finally  stopped covering up, stopped turning when I took off my shirt,  and went to bed just wearing a flimsy top.  Thing is - he wasn't bothered at all.  Sure you look a little different, he said, but you are still lovely.  Amazing how much pressure I had put on myself about this.

  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited May 2012

    Fitzdc, so glad you got over that step. Good for you, and your DH sounds like a wonderful person too.

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited May 2012

    Yay, fitzdc! Amazing, the places our minds will take us....

    I find that I am WAY more open about letting DH see me topless after my BMX. The original girls were 38DDD, huge and droopy. I was always embarassed about them. Now - even with just MX scars (may get 3D nipple tatts down the line) - I feel much freer with my TEs in, and am able to walk around without covering up like I did pre-surgery. DH is fine with it.

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited May 2012

    Yay,Fitz, that is a huge step towards accepting your new body! My DH helped me shower right after surgery while I was too out of it to notice so I skipped over that experience of being self conscious. Congrats!

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited May 2012

    body image and the mind --- I had thought I would be okay and this (besides the drains for 7 weeks) was the most difficult for me.  Realized I had more tied up in the whole breast/sex thing than he did.

  • faithhopenluv
    faithhopenluv Member Posts: 323
    edited May 2012

    Fitz - I'm glad you are feeling better about it.  All of this stuff is so hard, but we do gain incredible perspective about ourselves through all this.  We aren't given much choice unfortunately.  This is coming from a bald chick with no eye lashes, that will soon be boobless as well.  It amazes me how kind and compassionate my boyfriend is.  I search and search for some sign of a front that he is just keeping up for me, but I have yet to find it.

    Goldlining - you cracked me up with your ratfink BS title.  It is sooooo true, It is so upsetting that the surgeons have no concept of what it means to lose any lymph nodes or how it drastically changes the range of motion and recovery.  I knew mine would do a SNB.  I happened to go in the day before my surgery for an unrelated question regarding my BRAC2 status that he wouldn't discuss on the phone.  By the time of the appointment I had already talked to the oncologist who I had only met once and my gyn and didn't really care about his input.  I still had the apt so I came in with a list of questions and thats when he told me he'd take all lymph nodes that he could find if the sentinel was cancerous.  I believe ratfink applies to him as well.

    Thanks everyone for your input.  Kam - my original was suspicious on a mammo, but not entirely clear.  If the new BS finds anything in right - i'll worry about it then.

  • spunkyboobster
    spunkyboobster Member Posts: 738
    edited May 2012

    Hope everyone is doing well and enjoying the Memorial Day weekend.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited May 2012
    Hey Spunky - our thread was getting too quiet!!  I was just sharing notes here with a fellow Taxol recipient, ergo the early hours here...oh, no, that's because of the unrealted, but unknown origin, of my ongoing backache..can't sleep for more than 5-6 hours a night before it wakes me up!  Ofourse, I'm worried of the origin, though my MO doesn't think it would get better once I got out of bed if it was something to really worry about, if you know what I mean.  Other than chemo and my relatively new honda car deciding to have electrical problems, I'm just fine!! Frown I hope all are having fun this holiday weekend.  Actually, I feel pretty darn good today, considering, and it's wonderful to have a day off from work that isn't using up my sick and holiday leave!!
  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited May 2012

    Kam, Spunky, hello to you too. Still going through tx, only one big tx left. So many threads to keep up on, sometimes this one is hard to get to. LOL . Lovely day here in Wisconsin. Remembering all those who gave their best, Happy Memorial Day.

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited May 2012

    Yesterday went to see Rolling Thunder - always an awesome experience.  Tomorrow follow up with BS to determine date of/procedure for Stage 2. 

  • CookieMonster
    CookieMonster Member Posts: 1,035
    edited May 2012

    Hi ladies! A third day off in a row is lovely, isn't it. Then again, in just a few weeks I'll have lots of days off in a row - I'm a teacher and summer is just 3 weeks away. I guess we should get DS' summer camp squared away, shouldn't we?

    I'm in a lull right now from Dr. appts. And things are feeling relatively "normal." I'm waiting for the hormonal messiness to kick in (due to Tamoxifen and PMS) but that should hopefully be just a couple of days this week.

    I'm leaving on Friday for 9 days out of town, working, but in a different environment (grading AP Exams). I get to see lots of my colleagues from around the country and world and am looking forward to it.

    When I return I have my first post treatment mammogram. I hope it all looks clear, but I guess we'll see, won't we? Then towards the end of June I have more Dr. appts and then Stage III on July 11. I better enjoy the normal feeling for now because it's going away with that surgery.

    Have a wonderful and relaxing day everyone and spare some thoughts for our soldiers, both fallen and not.

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited May 2012

    Nice to see everyone on here! It is great to have a 3rd day off. We just got home from our little town's parade and ceremony.



    This Saturday I participated in a color me rad 5k walk/ run. You start out in white clothes and along the run there are color stations where they throw/squirt colored cornstarch at you and by the end you are all tyedyed looking. It was so much fun and it felt great not to think about cancer for a short time. Everyone there was laughing and there was so much good energy flowing.

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited May 2012

    Hey, spunkyboobster - thanks for checking in!

    Kam170 - BOOOOO for the back pain and car problems. Hope you find relief from your pain soon, and the car problems are easily fixed. Enjoy your day off!

    Moonflwr912 - glad to hear you only have one tx left.....sending you good wishes.

    fitzdc - I just read about Rolling Thunder in this morning's paper! Awesome!

    CookieMonster - Ahhh...the end of the school year. DH was a teacher for 33 years. I sure didn't envy his job - he taught in a continuation high school, but I sure was envious of having the summer off. My job at the university was year-round. Hope you find good things to do, and forget about Dr.'s appointments as much as you can. Wishing you the best on that first mammo.

    Ginger48 - The Color Me Rad 5K sounds fun! It's great to be able to do normal things. There are lots of Memorial Day activities taking place all over town, but we just stayed home.

    ~~~~

    When you're retired, the three-day holidays lose their attraction. Everyone on our block who had RVs were out loading them earlier in the week. Then they took off to join the thousands of others who were heading up to the lakes and streams and mountains and beaches to camp for the long weekend. We were glad to wave them off and wish them a good time!

    We did have some company on Friday - two of DH's former mentor teachers who were like brothers to him when he first started out. They've been close for nearly 40 years. It was a good visit for all of them.

    The weekend was quiet, we worked in the yard, then on Sunday went to church and the nursing home where my MIL is. My FIL spends all day Sundays with her. They are both 90, and Dad still plays in the local Military Band. In fact, he had a gig today at a local cemetery where they have a huge Veterans' memorial celebration.

    We're just spending today quietly reflecting on all those who bravely gave their lives for our freedom.....and we thank all military personnel for their service to our country.

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited May 2012

    Rolling Thunder is awesome!  I will post a photo later that sums up, at least to me, why it is so great.  back from PS - Stage 2 scheduled June 13.  Revision of scar and the addition of a small implant to even out sides.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited May 2012

    What is Rolling Thunder? Embarassed

    I hope this group stays together for the long haul.  I know, personally, I have a lot of bottled up feelings and emotions about this BC thing and I'm going to need you guys.  We have a nice mixture of Grade 1,2,3 ers, implants, DIEPs, BRCA positives and negatives.  We are very diverse, yet we share this space in time that brought us together.

    One feeling that I don't mention, or barely have mentioned, that creeps into my psyche is recurrence.  I am Stage IA, but I have a very aggressive tumor.  No matter what I read, I always get the "but if you have a high oncotype score, grade 3, high mitotic rate, blah blah" and it just puts me in the little less than best category for my stage.  Today I read that the deeper the tumor, the higher the recurrence.  That was the first time I read that one!!  These issues just crop up now and again and I bottle it up and wonder how others are dealing with this aspect of BC?  So if the survival rate in 10 years for Stage 1 is 90%, does that mean I'm one of the 10%??  I'm not going to lie, I'm scared and as I end chemo, I know there is this phase where we are actually jumping off the cliff, away from our caregivers who seem to be nurturing us along.  Just my 2 cents for this thread. 

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited May 2012

    Rolling Thunder is a motorcycle rally and so much more!  Rolling Thunder is an annual motorcycle rally that is held in Washington, DC during the Memorial Day weekend to call for the government's recognition and protection of Prisoners of War (POWs) and those Missing in Action (MIAs). The tribute to American war heroes started out in 1988 with 2,500 participants. Now approximately 900,000 participants and spectators are involved with this annual demonstration in Washington, DC. Rolling Thunder celebrated its 25th anniversary this year.  I am not a motorcycle fan - but it is truly amazing.   Still trying to load a photo.

    And this group has been my lifeline for the past seven months.

  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited May 2012

    Kam, I think we are all going through the same thoughts. We don't want recurences, but those things are always in the background. Realism, or pessimism? I will do the best I can, come what may, and not be obsessed with the thought of recurruncy. At least that's the plan, ask me tomorrow, I may be obsessing then. ! LOL. All I can do is day by day. Much love.

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited May 2012

    Oh, Kam....I think we all have those thoughts.

    Before my surgery, I thought "do the mastectomy and be done with cancer!"

    But then I found BCO, and started becoming really educated about breast  cancer. Especially when reading the Stage IV posts, I understand that things can change in a heartbeat.

    HOWEVER....

    Risk, recurrence, statistics, blah blah blah.....

    We can only do so much. We listen to the experts, do as much as we can to stay healthy, then at some point we need to get on with the business of living our lives. Right now my risk of recurrence is low. But it's not zero, and guess where my mind sometimes takes me? Down Catastrophe Road.

    I, too, depend on this site. Y'all are going to be my December Sisters for the long haul!!!

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