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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    the right cyst is hard & with enflamede places, looks like it to me but I have really no idea, before this forum anyway

    off to the studio to work for a few days after juicing, grapes, ginger tan pear apple cuke, celry)?

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  • dixiebell
    dixiebell Member Posts: 280
    edited May 2012

    I have heard the stem of the broccoli (juicing) is best even better than the flower part. Anyone know if this is true?

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  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    dixiebell:  I don't know for sure, but I buy a packaged broccoli slaw salad at the grocery store that has the stems cut like slaw and you mix it with a slaw dressing with cranberries and nuts.  It's delicious and we eat it quite a bit.  I like it better than cole slaw.

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2012

    Kara, I make a salad like that from cauliflower, which is also good. You can slice it in a food processor with a slicing blade if your market doesn't sell it pre-sliced. I slice cabbage that way too, when I want cabbage salad. It is very easy.

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  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    hey you read my mind, i was thinking yesterday about stem of brocoli--use it or not in juicing--today i couldnt find anything in internet, and her you are!

    What is the source?

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  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    Caryn, Kaara...i got answer  from my nurse about my ER, PR etc

    She said---the pathotlogist will give those results after surgery total report.

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  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    Did you realy get info about ER after needle biopsy report?

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  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    himalaya:  after the needle biopsy I got a preliminary report which included my grade, stage, and ER/PR status.  After the surgery, all of that is further confirmed.  That is the whole purpose of doing the biopsy..to find out type, grade, stage and status so you can make decisions about type of surgery and tx.

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  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    yea, thank you!

    This is what i want to get  but i dont get!

    What to do?

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  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited May 2012
    I know my ER PR status etc ... but some ppl seem to know what % of ER  or PR they are .  Is that there in the lab report of the core biopsy or after surgery or is that a special test ?>

    THX!
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  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    himalaya:  Insist on a copy of your biopsy report from your BS.  You should be able to have that...do you live in the USA?  If so, it's the law.  If not, then I would keep bugging them until I got it.  Tell them you want it for a second opinion.

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  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited May 2012

    These are some great ideas re: broccoli, cauliflower, and cabbage slaw.  I'm trying them out!  I always eat the broccoli florets for lunch or dinner, juice the stems, and put broccoli sprouts in my morning smoothie.  I'm broccoli-tastic!

    Just for the record, I wonder if phytoestrogens are more problematic for some.  I find abigail's experience to be unusual and maybe specific to her cancer.  Cancer is so diverse, after all.  Full disclosure:  I eat phytoestrogens like they are going out of style and I believe that they are helpful to hormone positive women.   Definitely differing opinions on this topic, for sure.

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  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    Kaara, if could copy paste here her letter, telling that anyway  i will see those details ONLY after surgery...i dont know what to think about it...did they loose my  documents?

    Maybe they dodnt wanna share??

    Can be some other problem or trick??

    Im living in Holland, maybe thats dutch style?

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  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    I asked her twice, what i shall do now?

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  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited May 2012

    Does your hospital have a patient advocate?  Someone to intervene on your behalf?  This isn't right - I don't think that they can keep this info from you.

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  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    himalaya:  It may be that the laws are different in other countries, but I agree with sweetbean...that just isn't right.  I know they have this information from the biopsy and you should be given the opportunity to have a look at it.  After all, it's your body!

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  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited May 2012

    Himalaya, if you had a needle biopsy they may not have been able to get enough of a sample to test for hormone receptors.  If it was a core biopsy then you should have a result.  That's how my surgeon explained it but it was 3 years ago so I may be wrong.  He said the pathology from the surgery can be different to the biopsy, so waiting for the operation would give the best answer.

    The removal of the tumour will give you the right answers.

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  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    I got fine needle biopsy and big needle biopsy with tisue.

    What i understood is---they will give me ALL  results after surgery, the needle biopsy and big biopsy all in one...but i wanna know now the small biopsy results...i will ask other doctor wha \t i can get, and what is the law.

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  • KatRNagain92
    KatRNagain92 Member Posts: 522
    edited May 2012

    Joy, thanks for that information about not being able to get the histology ER/PR from a needle biopsy.  With Breast Cancer 2.0, I had needle biopsies of 2 nodules.  It seems I've been fighting the lab now for 6 months to give me something in writing that is indicative of the hormone status and all I keep getting is: "the morphology is comparable to the previous infiltrating ductal carcinoma which represents a metastasis of the primary" 

    It certainly makes sense that they can't get enough tissue to detect the receptors from a fine needle aspiration.  I'll relax about it now.  Thanks!

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  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    What country?

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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    & again on the locked thread probably, I'd been eating beans & rice for a year or so, then a halping of beans after everything developed, gave me extreme pain, not just discomfort, & for quite awhile.  havn't eaten beans since, & I miss them a lot.  protein.  but that & the experience with fennel convinced me about plant estrogens.

    gary said once that brocolli contains some substance that negates the sulfur unless the vegetable is lightly steamed.  so I stopped juicing the stems.  also inconvenient as steaming lightly doesnt make them edible, have to cook them longer.

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  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    so brocoli stems are not good for juicing?

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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    I guess not.  at his spa a woman was outraged because comming downstairs I guess in the morning for her wakeup cup of coffee she discovered the urns were filled with cabbage juice.  so I guess cabbage & perhaps othe brassicas (?) don't have that sulfer zapping chemical.

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  • painterly
    painterly Member Posts: 602
    edited June 2012

    Hi,

    Was it on this thread that someone was mentioning that cipro had a black box warning and is dangerous to use? Just wondering. I have the beginning of a UTI.  I saw this info. Should I not take it? Thanks.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciprofloxacin

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  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited June 2012

    painterly: I took levaquin which is a derivitive of cipro and it gave me a shoulder injury...rotator cuff tear.  There are class action suits on this.  There are other drugs you can take for a UTI that don't cause these damaging SE's

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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2012

    the moderators have locked up another site, perhaps for good reason, except no reason is good:  they say the study was flawed, probably so.  many many studies are.  they say the sample was too small, but why not let us examine the site given for the studies for ourselves.  e're not idiots, I think

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  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited June 2012

    What site did they lock up abigail? Geeeez! Sometimes people suck! That seems to be my thought for the day, well, the month.

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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2012

    hey, dunesleeper:  a pretty short thread about when is alternative treatment quackery.  some worker at the company posted the information about a substance, not homeopathy she said though what's wrong with homeopathy I dunno, & it did sound pretty much homeopathic except not a teeny bit of like for cure:  a teeny bit of some kind of animal? bit in water which jump start the immune system.  but you can see for yourself.  the study with all whoed had conventional treatment, & too small a sample, bothered a lot.  also a disgusting receipe.........

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  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited June 2012

    The "scientists" ask for studies...then when you give them studies they don't believe them...oh well...what else is new.  

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  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2012

    I'm all for learning about options, alternative and conventional, when it comes to health and bc, however... This particular thread was started by an employee of the company. She was just a shill touting a program/product that "cured" everything from autism to AIDS. A recipe from their site included piglet brains "preferably canned" , rum and Cointreau. Yes, the studies were very small and that is not sound research when one is looking at a possible treatment,alt or conventional. Bad research is bad research, period. We are adults and should be allowed to see the posts and judge for ourselves but if someone is a shill that violates this sites rules. On a personal level, posts like that one bother me because they make the whole idea of alternative look downright silly and detract from the credibility of all alternative treatments. The thread is still there for all to read, just locked to further posts. Respectfully, Caryn

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