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  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited February 2012

    sorry cp but that is not a realible source of information. The article is full of words such as "possible, and could be" and there is no scientific proof of anything stated. This is just more fear mongering from the propaganda ewg and their sham reporting so as to get more donations for their political pandering.

    I am all about safer products. But we need to do some detective work and look for some facts here. This sixwise is all about selling some products, though I could not find info about the products or the ingredients. Buyer beware.

  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited February 2012

    Thanks vivre for the heads up --- I'll remove it.  No point is posting junk.

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited March 2012

    As someone who has tried to keep my exposure to chemicals at a minimun, and will continue to do so, it is not always easy to figure out what is safe and what is not. THere is so much hype at both ends of the spectrum, and it takes a lot of extra effort to look past the headlines about something being dangerous, (often pushed by political orgs like the EWG0, and on the other hand separating all the hype from companies marketing to us. Somedays I feel like we all need to be Ms Marples!

    Put succinctly, there is no such thing as all-natural, pure cosmetics. They don't exist and if they did, they would not automatically be good for the skin. Whatever preconceived or advertising-induced fiction that you have heard regarding natural ingredients being better for the skin has no basis in fact or scientific legitimacy. Not only is the definition of "all natural" hazy, but the term isn't even regulated, so each cosmetics company can use it to mean something different. If a company wants to call their products natural, it can, and it doesn't matter what they contain.

    So what is all-natural? It can mean anything and nothing. For most cosmetics companies it means including plant extracts in their formulations. The ingredient list may include aqueous extracts with a long list of plant names following. Even if an all-natural product did exist, you wouldn't want to use it on your skin anyway. Think about a bunch of plants, fruits, or vegetables sitting in your bathroom. What would happen in a very brief period of time if they didn't contain preservatives? They would become moldy and disgusting in just a few days. Skin-care products contain very unnatural sounding preservatives, and that's great. According to many cosmetic chemists, a reliable preservative system helps avoid the risk of microbial contamination, which could cause problems for the eyes, lips, and skin. For most people, the possibility of an allergic reaction to a preservative is the lesser of the two evils. So-called all natural ingredients can themselves cause allergies, irritation, and skin sensitivities. Just think of how many people have hay fever, and you will start to realize just how unfriendly certain natural ingredients may sometimes be. The notion that all natural equals good skin care or better makeup will waste your money and probably hurt your skin. I'm not sure if the majority of women who buy cosmetics are ever going to be able to believe this. The pressure to believe the lie about all natural products being better for the skin is hard to resist, and women want to believe it. Cosmetics companies spend lots of money to reinforce their message about the benefit of natural ingredients through their ads, sales force, and brochures. Despite the corroboration from countless physicians, cosmetic chemists, and other scientists in a variety of academic research, it still isn't easy to counter the hype surrounding products claiming to be all-natural or pure. It gets even more confounding as the natural sources become more exotic and eccentric, such as sea plants or foliage from the rain forest or herbs from India

    What makes this natural craze so annoying and undesirable is that it perpetuates myths that can hurt a woman's skin. The label might say pure and natural but you could be buying a purely irritating product that might cause an allergic reaction. All natural ingredients is one of the most bogus, misleading components of the cosmetics industry because they focus attention on the wrong information. I'm not saying there aren't some natural-sounding ingredients that are good for the skin, because there are, but the idea that they are still natural once they have been extracted from their source and mixed into a cosmetic is ludicrous. One of the more potent examples of how the natural craze gets in the way of good skin care and good information concerns alpha hydroxy acids. AHAs have gotten a lot of press over the past several years, and many women know that AHAs work as effective exfoliants for sun-damaged skin. Of the several AHAs used in cosmetics, lactic acid and glycolic acid are the most popular and the most researched.

    AHAs have been promoted as being natural because lactic acid is derived from milk and
    glycolic acid is derived from sugarcane, but derived from doesn't mean the original ingredient has anything to do with the extracted ingredient. Milk and sugarcane are not the same as lactic acid and glycolic acid. Rubbing milk or sugarcane on your face won't have the same effect as applying a product with lactic or glycolic acid, just as rubbing moldy bread on your body isn't the same as taking penicillin, even though penicillin is derived from moldy bread.

    Next time you're faced with marketing claims about all natural being better for the skin, remember the following:

    1. Food-type ingredients in products increase the need for additional preservatives to decrease mold and bacteria contamination.

    2. Food can feed the bacteria present in skin, increasing risk of breakouts.

    3. Plant extracts are no longer plants.

    4. Yeast or bacteria cultures (from products that do not contain preservatives) in cosmetics can exacerbate rosacea and psoriasis.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Awesome post vivre, just awesome.  Thanks for your commitment to this topic and us all.

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited July 2012

    Glad you found it helpful patoo. For some reason, when I reformatted it so it would post, the fact that this wonderful explaination was not written by me was omitted. This was a wonderful summary that I got from a fellow Usana associate. It has been so enlightening for me to work with people who have done the research and set my mind at ease about so many things. As I said, it takes a lot of time to do the detective work. There is no denying that cancer is caused by toxicity, both in our internal and external environments. The more we can do to minimize it the better. As this statement says, buying products that are labeled botanical or natural are often easily contaminated so we may end up doing more harm than good.

    Education is one of our best weapons against this monster.

  • Sherryc
    Sherryc Member Posts: 5,938
    edited March 2012

    Vive I guess I mainly try to stay away from Paraben, Phosphates and sufates.  AFter that what ever is in the makeup I usually don't understand anyway. But thanks for the post

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

     Hello everybody!

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    -OR-


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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    envirostudent - both your posts have been reported a spam. 

  • SheriBell
    SheriBell Member Posts: 393
    edited March 2012

    I think the trick is not to make yourself crazy everytime you read a label.   Make smart steps in the right direction and you should be fine.   It is a spectrum - there are people using "crystals" for underarm deoderant and spraying their skin with flax seed oil for moisturizer and then there are people who could care less about any of it. Me, I'm in the middle.  I found a company I buy most of my stuff from - i've read their labels and I am satisfied.  Now, I don't worry.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Hi - I'm one of the over the top natural enthusiasts. 

    Years ago, I used a natural crystals for deodorant, then found out they contained aluminum.  Augh. So found an herbal deodorant that I know is safe.

    I spritz myself with RO water that has several drops of 3% food grade H2O2 in order to reestablish my skin mantle after I shower.  

    We take RO water to the restaurant to avoid the chlorine and flouride in theirs.

    Had all my amalgen fillings and root canals removed a few years ago.  

    Only want to eat organic produce and 'clean meat' but that is sometimes not possible.  Do my best though.

  • LuvLulu07
    LuvLulu07 Member Posts: 778
    edited March 2012

    Just signed and returned the petition from EWG to eliminate BP's from food packaging.   Then I read that EWG is not the environmental advocate that I thought it was.  Sigh ~  Are the petitions legitimate?  

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 1,595
    edited March 2012

    Speaking of petitions, I want to post on this thread also the link to a petition to protest GMO salmon from reaching our groceries without being labelled as such.  Signatures are being collected thru March 27, 2012.  Go to www.justlabelit.org

    Here's the text of their petition:
    "Dear Commissioner Hamburg,

    I am writing to urge the FDA to require the mandatory labeling of genetically engineered foods. I have a right to know about the food I eat and what I feed my family.

    In America, we pride ourselves on having choices and making informed decisions. Under current FDA regulations, we don't have that choice when it comes to GE ingredients in the foods we purchase and feed our families. Labeling is essential for me to choose whether or not I want to consume or feed my family genetically engineered foods.

    Genetically engineered foods are required to be labeled in the 15 European Union nations, Russia, Japan, China, Australia, New Zealand, and many other countries around the world. As an American, I firmly believe I should also have the right to know if my foods have been genetically engineered.

    A recent poll released by ABC News found that 93 percent of the American public wants the federal government to require mandatory labeling of genetically engineered foods. As ABC News stated, "Such near-unanimity in public opinion is rare."

    I hope you will listen to me and the other 93 percent of the American public who want mandatory labeling. Please show your support for the interests of the American people by labeling genetically engineered foods. "

    www.justlabelit.org

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited March 2012

    Joyh-EWG is just a cover for a Soros led political org. Do not send them money. I do not sign any online petitions because I am suspicious of all these groups collecting our signatures and information. They take the money and put it into campaigns for their favorite candidates.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    I now go to the health store and purchase non-GMO breads because the GMO grains could be hiding in natural breads where even the company does not realize.  I want to be certain.

  • HappyGirl45
    HappyGirl45 Member Posts: 85
    edited March 2012

    I love this thread!  Thank you Merilee!  I too am trying to only do organic items.  The coconut oil as body lotion is the best!  I have tried other organic lotions and nothing seems to work.  Love the coconut oil...feet look wonderful now!

     A few of you were writing about what not to put in the dishwasher.  I came across this list of items (link below)...it has the wood items...not to put in dishwasher due to it may crack. 

    http://www.steadyhealth.com/articles/Eleven_Things_You_Should_Never_Put_In_A_Dishwasher_a2173.html

    Thanks again for everyone posting! 

  • LuvLulu07
    LuvLulu07 Member Posts: 778
    edited March 2012

    vivre    Just got an email from EWG asking for a donation, which I will ignore.  I'm still not sure if their petitions actually do anything though?  Or is it just a way to gather our information? 

  • Merritmalloy
    Merritmalloy Member Posts: 79
    edited April 2012

    Can anyone tell me about root canals?  I went to dentist last Fall before my unimx in Nov.  I had a few fillings (porcelain) and was told that one of my molars would likely need a root canal and crown.  They were anxious to do it then, but I said I wanted to wait until all my surgeries were complete.    I can def feel a cavity on the molar and I want that fixed, but I'm wary of the root canal.  I've read some things about why they may be detrimental, but I'm not exactly sure what the reason is.  Curious to hear what you guys think.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2012

    IT's A TOXIC WORLD - ROOT CANAL and BC INFORMATION

    Merritmalloy - here are some of my bookmarked links.  I had all my root canals removed three years ago because of the concerns with microbes and bacteria, it is a long haul to health, let me say.  But these findings are thought-provoking and to me not worth the gamble to have a root canal.  In fact, I am now certain the one dentist who did my work was so bent on me keeping this tooth I just had extracted that he removed the root canal part and used it to set the porcelain crown.  I developed a cyst, you will see the mention of the bacterial cyst in the first link,

    http://www.thenaturalrecoveryplan.com/articles/research-cavitations.html 

    http://www.coem.com/Oral_Pathology_Neurodegenerative_Disease_and_Cancer.shtml

     http://www.clinicalthermography.co.nz/Site/Hidden_Items/Breast_Cancer_Prevention_-_It_s_Not_Too_Late_to_Change.ashx

    And Dr. Rau - "In a study of 150 breast cancer patients by Dr. Rau, in Switzerland, 147 of them had had root canals on the same meridian as the breast cancer. The other 3 also had dental problems on the same meridian, but they were not caused by root canals, they were infections in the jawbone caused by some other dental procedure.

    Another medical doctor reported a similar experience with his breast cancer patients"

    read more here.....  http://www.cancertutor.com/Other/Breast_Cancer.html

  • Merritmalloy
    Merritmalloy Member Posts: 79
    edited April 2012

    Thanks DisneEssa - I am 95% leaning toward saying no to the root canal.  More than hald the tooth is already made up of a filling.  I'm thinkink an extraction would be the best treatment.  I'm wondering tough how I handle it cosmetically.  It seems implants can be dangerous too.  A bridge sounds fairly benign and somehwat permanent-ish.  What did you do with your teeth?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2012

    Wish they were  done.  I have two bridges, I paid extra for the porcelain so nontoxic.  Made certain there was not a nickle or metal lining, poison!  btw, so are these braces of metal, need plastic.  The teeth taht could be saved have porcelain crowns.  I am going to have a partial for the top that will fit over my current teeth so there will nt be implants, looks just like a full denture plate but the teeth that are missing are filled in and ones that are not are where the plaate slides over and holds in.

    Will be costly to finish, BUT I found a  dental program through Hubby's NRA, we have coverage on both of us that pays 50% of everything.  Coupled with the 100% preventative from his work dental ins and the 50% of the work dental ins for all other, that = over 100% and will be done soon.

    But the first work slayed us as I had a Huggins dentist and he chaaarged too much and did the work badly, so going to talk to him soon enough.  Not all Huggins dentists are bad, some are too pricey though so talk to the reg dentists to get the special treatments if you need it. 

  • SheriBell
    SheriBell Member Posts: 393
    edited May 2012

    Not really related but kinda. I had a hysterectomy 3 weeks ago. Some polyps were beginning to form probably from the tamoxifin. Anyway now I don't have to take tamoxifin on femara.



    All this to say my current job as a retail sales manager in an electronics is very male dominated and requires heavy lifting. Plus the mgt there has not been very understanding of my medical issues the last 2 years. I go back to work tomorrow but in a few days I will resign and my new job? I am now going to be a receptionist in a dentist office! I wish I didn't have to go back at all but I think there are some legalities about quitting while on FMLA so I will resign in a couple days. Anyone know about those legalities?



  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited May 2012

    Sorry SheriBell, I'm not too sure of the whole FMLA thing. Maybe I will find out something soon. I am going to human resources in the morning to start paperwork for possibly taking disability pension. My job is making me a wreck and utterly unable to take proper care of myself. I'll let you know if I find anything out.

  • Carrol2
    Carrol2 Member Posts: 2,903
    edited May 2012

    wow sherri those people really took you for granted. I am glad you are moving on. Perhaps a job that is less phyisical will be better. Plus I bet you get great dental benefits! I am off sun, mon and thurs if you want to get together.

  • SheriBell
    SheriBell Member Posts: 393
    edited May 2012

    Thanks Dunesleeper.  I started work back today - they were very nice to me and even let me take a break!   I am still working on what I am going to say.  My plan is to work a few days more - maybe until Weds?  then tell them that the job is too hard for me with my current medical situation and give them 2 weeks.  No reason to be nasty or anything - maybe I can get some of them to come to the dental office I will work at?   

    Carrol - The dental office is at 133rd and Mission so it is closer to Town Center so we can meet for lunch whenever after I start!  We will be like 10 mins from each other!  Dr Kahn is so nice he is patient and will wait for me to start whenever I can get loose from the electronics store!  BTW do you need a dentist?

  • Carrol2
    Carrol2 Member Posts: 2,903
    edited May 2012

    I do need a dentist but i am extremely dental phobic.

  • Sherryc
    Sherryc Member Posts: 5,938
    edited May 2012

    Sheribell-wow majoy changes but I'm glad you came to the conclusion you have and that your new boss sounds wonderful.  Hope it all goes well for you.  I don't know anything about the legal issues but I think there are some threads here on BCO that may address some of that.

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited May 2012

    I will be retiring July 1st! I don't know if I will get disability retirement, but I am committed to retiring. When I went into work Friday, the guy I was relieving told me how the bosses had let all non-essential personnel go home early. My jaw dropped open as I turned to him, and I told him "yet no one thought to call the lady with cancer and tell her she could work from home." He says "maybe Lou would have said something, but he worked from home again today." I was already plenty stressed and I exploded, telling him that I would be retiring. He ignored me, since he has heard this before. However, this time I told him "July 1st I'm outta here. You can go run and tell Lou if you want but I wish you wouldn't. Human resources is taking care of it." He looked up quickly, with big eyes. Later, after he got home, he called me and said "you mentioned you were retiring July 1st? Please please please please please don't retire then. If you do I won't get my vacation." He is scheduled for 2 weeks vacation in July. I did not want to cause him this inconvenience, but if they had been more cooperative with me, it would not have come to this. I have to retire July 1st or else I end up with less benefits. Oopsy!!! I am on vacation this week, and I am dying to know if he said anything to my boss. I cannot imagine that he didn't, but I have not heard anything from Lou -- or anyone else for that matter.

    So, I will be taking care of myself. I will take any sick days I need this coming month, and then I'm free to do whatever I need to do to take care of myself -- as long as it doesn't cost too much. LOL

  • nibbana
    nibbana Member Posts: 464
    edited May 2012

    Hello, 

    Just found this thread on toxic products. 

    I heated up a can of soup and put it in a Rubermaid container. I walked to the microwave to heat it up and started freaking! Heat and plastic! NO WONDER I HAVE BREAST CANCER!!!!

    Soooo, time to go to the store and get some glass microwave heater uppers. While I'm at it, I'll get some Tom's of Maine toothpaste, and green tea.

    Stupid chemicals. THANKS A LOT CHEMICAL INDUSTRY!!! 

  • SheriBell
    SheriBell Member Posts: 393
    edited May 2012

    Welcome Nibbana - yes you should not heat things up in plastic - use glass or ceramic.

    I officially resigned yesterday (tuesday) my last day is June 11th - yayyy.   Then a few days off and then on to the dental  office job on June 18th.  It's kind of hard to take such a step back but stress is so bad for us especially when it comes to battling cancer!  Sometimes the healthiest things we can do is not food or exercise related but rather lifestyle related - taking a step back - working in a job that is less stressful - maybe doesn't pay as much monetarily but pays in the way we can live and feel about ourselves!

  • dancetrancer
    dancetrancer Member Posts: 4,039
    edited May 2012

    Sheribell - totally agree with you on the stress and scaling life back a bit.  I will be doing the same!!! 

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