Am I the only one who hasn't changed my lifestyle?
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I do like the idea of eating healthy. I am lucky enough to have many farmers markets with affordable organic produce, meat, fish etc. I do take supplements, which I didn't before bc. Alcohol makes me sick these days but I did have a delicious elderflower mimosa on Mother's Day that didn't make me sick and yes, I now exercise but...the thought of never eating chocolates, cheeses, felafel, Indian, Afghan, Chinese etc. food, strawberry rhubarb pie, apple crisp and homemade whipped cream, lukshen kugel, chopped liver, bagels, cream cheese and lox, well, I could go on and on. Food is a gift and one of life's great pleasures and I will enjoy it all, in moderation ! Caryn
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Smoked salmon curls with creme fraiche and caviar #blissful sigh
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Selena,
Mmmmmm, I get the best smoked salmon at my Saturday farmer's market. Current favorite is dill/ brandy!
Caryn -
MMmmmmm!
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@lago... I'm 5'8" and 135lbs... not thin, but not carrying much extra either. I am strong annd healthy; surprisingly so only 3 short months out of treatment. My doctor and my MO are happy with me - and with my fitness level/activity - but if one more "well-meaning" person goes, "... OMG, you're so thin ! You poor thing ... " one more time, I'm going to come out swinging!!! Whatever happened to that old adage my Nana used to say, "... never, EVER make personal comments about someone... it's the height of rudeness..."?
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Selena we weight about the same but I'm only 5'6". At diagnosis I was about 128-126. I do think part of my problem is water weight. My pants don't seem that tight based on the increased weight. I was also exercising at the same level as I am now.
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I looked back at my posts at the beginning of this thread which were from the beginning of this month. Big change is that my training is paying off, and I am now super fit from cycling. I found this out on my trip last weekend, when I cycled up a major hill and was fine. I still walked a few hills anyway, but way fewer than I would have earlier this year.
I noticed a difference too in how my tight jeans fit.
Will train again this weekend, and that should put me in good shape for the rest of the summer.
Yesterday's "exercise" (other than my weights/crunches routine) was three miles of walking to bank, shoe repair, German meats store, and wine bar. I am noticing I power walk a lot more now that I am well trained for cycling.
My "diet" is featuring whatever goes well with asparagus, as bought 5 lb of it on my way back from Eastern Washington. So cheap and the best on this planet. Cherries are coming into season, so the first of the summer fruits (other than the rhubarb I need to eat).
Anyway, life is good. I do need to get 10 pounds off, but am not sweating things either. Summer cycling will take care of a lot of this. Was hard over the past year as had a very sore ankle for much of it, which made things like power walking really tough. Now, it is nearly healed!!!
I can't wait for my summer wine selection from the wine club I belong to......Mmmmmmmmmmmmm. And Copper River salmon should come down in price shortly. Double mmmmmmmmmmmm. - Claire
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Hmmm...I'm wishy washy, I guess. I flip flop on this issue almost daily. I love the idea of being healthy and fit. Then again, I know plenty of healthy, fit vegetarians/vegans who got BC. So I don't know. Today I find myself craving homemade peach cobbler and Pepsi...and I'm sure gonna enjoy it!
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There is another point with "moderation" which is that we need to think about the "rest of us". My father had diabetes, and I don't want that. I think much worse than an early stage breast cancer diagnosis. I don't want heart disease either. I want to be able to climb mountains, swim in oceans, lug my own suitcases, and cycle to the car repair if I get stranded (which is what happened last weekend).
But fresh peach cobbler sounds divine!!! Or a crumble, once peaches ripen here in the NW.
So other than eliminating soy, I don't think of this as a "post cancer lifestyle" but what I need to be doing anyway.
And of course enough wiggle room to enjoy life's pleasures.
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I've changed a little bit, but the main reason is just for my overall health. I'm fat. I live on Dr. Pepper. I was amazed that my sugar levels are all normal. So I've been working on just being more active and cutting out some of the excess sugar.
After I read all the stuff about foods helping cancer grow, I asked my Onc should I just start eating organic lettuce? He said from his Onc point of view, no. From his general Dr. point of view it wouldn't hurt to lose some weight. He also told me that the better shape I'm in the easier the treatments will be on my body.
So I have changed a little, but it is all about get my fat butt not so fat and to improve my general health, something I've needed to do for a long time. If it helps with the cancer crap, that's just an added bonus.
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Love this thread! I was in the best physical shape of my life when I was diagnosed at 53. My niece, who died from BC 5 years ago this coming September, was the healthiest person ... diet, organics, exercise - very natural and conscious of what she put in her body. Still got BC. After she died my attitude changed a little, to "we're all gonna die from cancer anyway, eat your cheeseburger if you want it."
After surgery, chemo & rads, I am doing much better with supplements and trying to increase my fruits & veggies, back off the red meat ... but I still have a few beers a couple times a week. I went 6 months without drinking during chemo, it did not agree with me.
I am NOT doing so well with the walking. I have miserable pain in my lower legs, neuropathy in my feet, and my ankles just feel frozen up - steps are a bitch. I have fallen down twice, once requiring stitches. I believe the neuropathy is left over from the chemo, and aggravated by the Arimidex. So no power walking for me just yet (I miss it so much) but I am getting good upper body exercise working in my flower beds. And walking thru airports as I am back to business travel. Airports kill me!
Anyway, no self righteousness here ... live your life, drink your red wine, don't feel guilty when you do. Quality of life is important.
Debbie
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Ladies, how do you do it!
Exercising is something I really do want to change about my lifestyle but I am having the worst time trying to get moving again. I tried a Zumba class and my heart got pumping so hard it scared me. Tried a yoga one too and the stretching felt like I was ripping something. I want to get exercising again but I'm not sure what my body can handle now. Anyone else nervous about making changes and what it'll do?
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I am also at about a year out - have 5 inches of frizzy hair now and am a bit heavier. I just had a hysterectomy because I hated the tamoxifin and there were some cysts brewing. As soon as I am released from the doctor I plan on getting back on my exercise regime.
I think we are all trying to "figure out" if I do or eat this or that will that promote or detract from breast cancer and sadly no one knows - the disease hits all figures, races, health statuses...etc....
One thing I started during chemo was taking these superb vitamin and mineral/calcium supplements. I was pointed to this online store by a friend and these are by far, the best, easiest on the stomach and supposedly have the highest absorbion rate of any of the store brands. I can tell when I take them and I can tell when I miss them - so I DO NOT MISS TAKING THEM.
I can't say I have started eating this or that or stopped drinking wine but I can attest to taking these vitamins. I am happy to share - it's more than I want to type here so just message me for more details.

Has anyone begun working out that had NOT been working out before? how did that work out?
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Lee......I was already down the fitness path, so just resumed what had worked for me in the past and took it to a new level. It makes an enormous difference if you do stuff you love doing. For instance, I can't imagine doing Zumba. I can imagine doing 200+ miles of cycling over 2 days or x-country skiing 12 miles, now that my ankle has healed.
Can you do walking? Three hours of walking a WEEK is what is important. You really CAN do that. Tonight's walk was half a mile each way to the supermarket. An old work buddy of mine and his wife are walking and have discovered that having a destination is key.
I explore when I walk or cycle. So I climbed to the top of a sand dune on Sunday as the dirt path wasn't great for cycling with a road bike. Just fascinating.
I do recommend though that you don't run your clutch (brakes/fuel pump/tires) to failure quite the way I did. I found a great repair shop, but something went wrong. Fortunately, I had my BICYCLE with me, so could explore. More adventure than I planned on, and they won't forget me anytime soon.
Seriously, as you do walks and explore, your self-confidence and stamina will come back. I truly believe that. I go for the reward system too. Nothing like a nice latte or pastry at the end of a great ride.
Planning more fun stuff for this coming weekend. So many great things to see and explore, so little time. - Claire
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Selenawolf, seems we are in the same boat. I am 5'9" and weighed 137 last month, but seems EVERYONE has a comment about how thin I am and how I need to put on 20 pounds (wtf?). I have gained 5 pounds and am now 142. It is just sitting in my gut. Yuck. I eat chips all day long. All day. That's my secret weight gain program.
Started back at gym this week. Its been 6 months. I downloaded the app "5k to 10k" and started running a bit this week. I haven't run in so long...so it feels like hell. My f/boobs sting and ache, it's very distracting and annoying. I signed up For a 5k on June 3. I think aiming for a goal will help with this funky dark depression. -
lee7 you need to start gradually. I know when I started my strength training work out I was first using no weights or 1lb weights and only doing 10 receptions. Now I'm using 5,7 and 10 lbs weights depending on the exercise and doing 30 receptions. I have LE so I had to go slowly.
As far as aerobic I started walking. As I got stronger I would walk faster. I'm not a runner but I walk 4.7 mph on the treadmill and even faster on the elliptical. I started the aerobic by just walking outside. I got up to 40 minutes a day before I headed to the gym. I find walking in the park or a place you like looking at the scenery helps. I even did this when it was cold out.
The issue with starting is I know I get a bit sore at first. If you do be sure to let that area of your body rest/repair before working it out again. Eventually you will stop getting sore.
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Molly, yes, in Ayurveda they say that broaken heart , posesivness, taking things personaly, and supressed sexual desires are the root cause of breast cancer for ladies, and also for all kind of breast lumps.
I got the same conclusion, because otherwise i was living healthy lifestyle--veggie for 20 years, no smoking, no drinking alcohol, water was destilled, yoga, aother sports, active lifestyle.
Emotions can be so harming sometimes, isnt it.
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Claire and lago , thanks for the suggestions. Walking sounds good to me. I know its important for me to keep moving and I do enjoy getting out in the fresh air as often as possible. I agree its easier to be motivated to get exercise if its doing something I like to do.
I think I need to find an ice cream store to walk to....:0)
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I started out walking the local nature trails. Could barely do it, at first: I was still in radiation treatments and tired, but hanging around the house was driving me crazy. This past week, did 15 miles on the trails (5 miles at-a-time) and 10 miles on my bicycle.
Baby steps.
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Himalaya, I absolutely believe what you mention here to be true. I think this is where my bc came from: emotional stress and pure heartache. Remember to Breathe.
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Well said Debbie, I agree with your thoughts. I am tweaking my diet and supplements, but I won't take the tamoxifen and I won't compromise my QOL. Still... I won't obsess, just everything in moderation, like before cancer.
I was in excellent shape at 51 when I was diagnosed. Have always exercised, maintained my healthy weight of 125 lbs at 5'7," moderate drinker, non smoker, yet still caught cancer. So, what more is there to do except enjoy the odd cheeseburger and get on with life.
Diet and excercise are only two pieces of the puzzle. Genetics, cumulative exposure to toxins, history of illness and viruses and stress are other pieces.
It's a mystery to me why some people can live healthy lives and get cancer, but some people totally abuse their bodies and just beg for cancer to get them, but it doesn't.
I'm still recommending the "Catching Cancer" documentary that may be viewable through YouTube. You'll see it all from a different perspective.
Cheers ladies.... Have a lovely, relaxing weekend and enjoy that margarita, should you decide to indulge! -
Hi everyone: Just finished reading all the posts and wanted to put my spin on things, although I'm afraid you are all going to hate me. I was diagnosed with stage 1 grade 2 O nodes involved and a 2.3 cm plus being er positive. Had a lumpectomy, on Letrozole, just finished 16 rads and 1 of 5 boosts. By the way I am a former registered dietitian.
I have gone a little crazy in that I became a vegetarian, although continue to eat fish and eggs. I have also gone completely organic and that includes all makeup, body creams, shampoos etc etc. I was a social drinker and now I'm afraid to look at wine or beer.
I used to have quite a sweet tooth and now these things are just not on my radar screen.
I feel cancer has taken away all control I had but what I put in my mouth, on my body etc
Gives me control, and quite frankly peace of mind. Now whether any of this will help regarding a recurrence, who knows????? But I like the little control I have now. I also
Exercise daily and have taken off any excess weight I had.
I would be interested if anyone has gone as crazy as me, and does it abate eventually????? -
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When I got my first cancer in 1982 there was no talk about diet having anything to do with it. I was a marathon runner and ate healthy anyway so just continued my usual eating plan (which included a daily muffin.
In 2011 I got a new primary. I do eat a few more fruits and veggies now and also juice and drink a protein shake. But that is mainly to keep in shape as I can only jog now so put on weight easily.
I agree with the others about moderation in all things, but I do eat chocolate from time to time and have cookies and crackers. I really don't believe that cancer is caused by diet anyway, but that's just my opinion.
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Scottiiee, I totally changed everything initially. Watched Forks over Knives and Fat Sick and Nearly dead while in recovery from my bmx (btw, I recommend). Went Vegan. Started juicing daily. Ditched fluoride toothpaste. Changed all body lotions, hair products, cleaning products, didn't eat sweets, stopped drinking (though mostly because I was on meds). Tried eating only alkaline foods. Organics mostly, a least the "dirty dozen".
Here's the thing, I got too skinny from so much restriction and felt out of touch with my friends and family. I have taken a lot of these best practices and continue with them but not in a strict way. I brought meat back in our diet, but organic. I have been drinking wine, but with friends/family (not on random week nights solo). My birthday just past, I had cake, 2 slices in fact! I still am doing a pretty good job avoiding dairy for myself (using almond or coconut milk) but still buying orgnanic milk for my kids. Will I eat something with dairy if a friend prepares it with love? yes. I don't want cancer to control me, but I stay mindful. You have to do what's best for you. Good luck!, -
Hi Chantal 10: Thank you for responding and like you, I think eventually I will "settle down".....really, everything is still pretty new to me as I was only diagnosed in January of this year. I just love this little bit of "control" I have however as it seems my whole self is being taken over and controlled by everybody else.
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Scottiiee... why would we hate you? Everyone has to get through this the best way they know how and, if becoming vegetarian- and organic is going to give you a bit of peace-of-mind and less stress going forward... well, you go, girl!!!
While I espouse "moderation", I do try to buy organic whenever I can. I've grown my own vegetables for years and use absolutely nothing on them, but tender-loving-care, so - when I shop - I tend to look for the same thing. But - cancer aside - that makes sense to me on a number of levels. I like the concept of whole food, but that is something that's been creeping up on me for a number of years pre-bc. That's why I taught myself to make bread, do my own canning, grow my own vegetables. I love the idea of "home-steading"! If I could have a few chickens in my backyard here in the city, I would (for eggs only, I couldn't eat them. Once they have names, I figure that they can never be dinner.)I, also, find myself reading labels more carefully. On everything. "Moderation" doesn't mean you can't be thoroughly aware of what you are consuming. There's room for "choosy" in moderation, I think.
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Hi Selena Wolf: Thank you for your kind words. I also was on the road to organic whole foods before BC came into my life. I am privileged in that I can afford to buy everything
Organic. My problem arises when I'm in restaurants, when a friend invites me over for dinner etc, etc. Will I ever "settle down" and be logical about things????? Right now, I'm mostly avoiding restaurants and visiting friends etc. it's almost as if I'm isolating myself just in case I'm forced to eat "TOXIC FOODS".....crazy or what😱 -
Not crazy. We all understand that fear.
In the beginning - soon after surgery last year - I was terrified to eat anything, even some vegetables because some well-meaning family member sent me an article of all the foods I should stay away from because they contained phytoestrogens, i.e., naturally occuring plant estrogens, and - with an ER+ diagnosis - if I ate them, I was risking a recurrence. "Recurrence" is the most frightening word after you've been diagnosed with breast cancer! Then, this same family member sent me articles on how I should stay away from anything with sugar- or fructose for the same reason... there's goes most of the fruit I was eating. Then, there was the flurry of articles about not eating red meat- or anything dairy because of the hormones, and avoiding fish- and seafood because of the pollutants. Every time my husband came home from work, I had "slashed" something else from my diet.
Then, my MO stepped in (I love that woman) and she, gently, steered me towards "moderation". And I realized that - for me - this was the best thing. The worst feeling in the world was being absolutely terrified of everything around me as "cancer-causing beasts" and I decided that I just couldn't live like that any longer. Especially when my MO pointed out that I had very good chance that the cancer wouldn't recur and, if I spent the rest of my life being afraid every day that it would, how was I supposed to embrace my "second chance"?
For me, personally, that made a lot of sense. That's how "moderation" became my goal. I still hesitate now- and then over something, and pause when that family member sends me, yet, another article, but I sincerely believe that a good, healthy diet and approach to life will get you through those once-in-a-while guilty pleasures. Like chocolate. And a great, chilled vidal! And a night out with well-loved friends at a great restaurant.
Yes. I still worry sometimes. It's why I continue to read labels. And stay as well-informed, as possible. But I refuse to have nightmares over a Girl Guide cookie. But this is what works for me. And you will find what will work for you. You will.
Edited to add: PS A lot of restaurants these days are embracing the "whole food" and "organic" philosophies, and offer these choices on their menus. You may be able to find a local restaurant that does this that you feel comfortable with...
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Hi Selena Wolf: I am where you were last year. My husband, especially, bombards me with articles, well meaning friends also. However, I think I will eventually get to where you are now, OMG I hope so. I think the "food thing" will be doable eventually.
This comment does not really belong here but more than food, exercise and new lifestyle, my number one wish for myself and everyone else dealing with cancer is that we can at least spend 75% of our day NOT worrying about recurrence, which, as far as I'm concerned, is our new "dirty word"
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