March 2012 chemo

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  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited May 2012

    Hi Ladies

    Haven't been posting here much but wanted to drop by and say hello.

    KCB

    Were you not offered or advised to get a port??  Sorry if you might be repeating yourself but it surprises me.  DO NOT let anyone access your good arm.  Be very insistant about it too! You would be better of with a PICC line IMHO and at least it would save the constant searching for a vein.  Or could they use your hand???

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited May 2012

    Hi, KCB!  I don't know if things are different there than here [in the States] or given your recent medical problems, if there is some reason the doctor didn't want to do a chest port, but as far as using your arm on the side that had lymph nodes taken, everything I've ever seen says to avoid sticks and tourniquets there, LE symptoms or not.  I'm certainly no medical professional, but I believe some of the people on these boards are, and I'm sure that some are experts in LE, and that's what they've all told me.  One of the nurses in my MO's office said something similar to me - that I shouldn't allow anyone else to do IV sticks in my affected arm but they in oncology could.  I thought at the time she meant they knew some kind of technique to avoid problems, but in retrospect, I just think she meant if all else failed, they would have to use that arm. 

    Well, as someone else in the threads let me know, your arm doesn't know who's sticking it.  If you can avoid it, better not to take a chance.  

    That's what led to my deciding to get my chest port, and I'm glad I did.  It made my last tx so much easier - even though I had the treatment the day after they placed the port. 

    I didn't know too much about PICC lines, so I googled that; hmmm.  Not sure how that would be to have that in your arm all the time.  The chest port is out of the way and even though it's been only about 2 weeks now since they placed it, it really doesn't hurt any more and is almost entirely healed.  

    Crossing my fingers that your arm gets better!!   

  • KCB
    KCB Member Posts: 365
    edited May 2012

    MLB and Indigo: my understanding is that my Onc doesn't usually recommend PICC or ports for only 6 treatments, which is what my regime is. However because I ended up in hospital for two weeks with the perforated bowel and then obstruction, and had several IVs and was poked for blood every day, I'm guessing that is why my right arm is in revolt. I insisted every day that they could only use that arm. I had one nurse tell me during that time that it's a myth, she was clearly irritates, but I stuck to my guns.

    And now to have someone imply that I didn't need to put mh poor arm through all that... And as for having a PICC vs port, again, I only have 3 more treatments, so I think they feel a port is overkill at this point. I was told that if he inflammation doesn't go down in my right arm they couldn't put a PICC on that side because there would be risk of a clot. Not good.

    My husband remembers them saying something about using the hand, so I'll ask about that, too.

    Does anyone else sometimes feel like running away from home (treatment)?

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited May 2012

    KCB

    I don't blame you for thinking about running away.  You have been through so much.  One of the ladies on the February chemo thread had a terribe time with her arm too among other stuff so multiple sticks really inflammed her arm.  I think she was scheduled for 8 TX in all then surgery, ended up with a port then due to so many issues she was cut back to 6 (I think).  No doctor here either but I wonder about other veins in our body, like feet etc. and if veins are accessible there for this kind of thing.  Don't like the fact that nurse told you LE was a myth though. 

  • lanagraves
    lanagraves Member Posts: 596
    edited May 2012

    Speaking of LE, does anybody know if it raises your risk after ALND to use a hot tub? Going out of town this weekend, and with these aches and stiff joints from Taxol, I'm looking forward to relaxing in the jacuzzi.

  • fedfan
    fedfan Member Posts: 44
    edited May 2012

    Taxol Hell! I've now completed 2 of 4 DD Taxol treatemnts. The SE's do seem to come like clockwork...if the first two rounds are any indication. I also get a Neulasta shot the day after treatment. I didn't have bone pain problems from Neulasta when I was doing A/C, but have it with Taxol. Must be more of a Taxol thing than a Neulasta thing.

    Regarding hair: I have had a fine growth (very thin and sparse) on my head throughout treatment(even during A/C). My eyelashes are thinner and my eybrows are there but a little thinner. I can't really tell yet if they are getting worse or better now that I'm on Taxol. I know that Taxol is really hard on nails and teeth, so it makes sense that it could be rough on hair too.

    Nails: My nails have not gotten discolored, but they have developed a weird crescent line across each of them since starting Taxol. I keep them short with a clear finish for reinforcement. I have to moisturize them a lot. A lot of dryness on fingers and toes. I took a chance and had a manicure/pedicure about a week ago. It's a nail tech that is really good and I really trust. She did a fantastic job of gently trimming/shaping my nails. I noticed that my nails didn't bother me as much after my 2nd Taxol treatment, and I think it's because I had them much shorter and under control.

    I have two more Taxol treaments, then on to radiation. Two doesn't sound like much, but after the rough time I had with Rounds 1 & 2, it seems like it will never end.Those of you still facing Taxol, good luck, and if you need advice from someone with a little experience (2 DD Taxols), please don't hesitiate to ask.

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited May 2012

    Hi, Lanagraves!  Somewhere - either in the LE threads here or maybe in the American Cancer Society brochure about LE, I read that you should avoid really hot water.  If you take a dip, I'd avoid getting that arm in the water avoid submerging up to your neck. 

  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited May 2012

    Ok, I am beginning to wonder if my nurse knew what she was talking about - mine will be Taxotere x 4 every  weeks just like A/C.  But MO also mentioned my counts shouldn't be as affected as with A/C - so I guess I will find out when I go in for the first round.

    KCB: I would really question the use of your other arm, puffiness or no...I know some of the ladies on the LE boards have resorted to using veins in the foot, etc...which doesn't exactly sound pleasant.  I think so much is still not known about LE in general.  

    Lana - not sure about the hot tub - I wouldn't think that would be an issue though...may check out some of the LE threads and ask.

    Lost - glad you had a great weekend and your DS is getting out and having fun too!

    fedfan - ugh on the Taxol hell.

    I guess the only good thing about my Taxotere treatments is going to be that I am not going to have anything I HAVE to do this summer...my mom will be around when DH is at work to help with the kids and such.  But we won't have school things, etc...that we have to worry about juggling.

    Dragged myself out of bed this morning to go to oldest DD's awards assembly at school.  I felt pretty crappy but I survived.  I have to finish these "end of the year" teacher gift bags (that I have been working on for a week) before the Neulasta soreness sets in today.

  • tellie_savalis
    tellie_savalis Member Posts: 121
    edited May 2012

    Hi everyone!

    Wow, this last round put me down a bit.  My MO is funny.  I told him rd 3 was hard and he says "well it's cummulative, isn't it?"  Eh, no, you hadn't told me that.  I spent a lovely weekend on the couch.  Felt like House popping my percocet. I also have some of the finger and toe issues, one toe nail turning black.  Not sure if this info helps those of you just starting Taxotere. Also on 3rd and 4th round TAC nausea showed up 5+ days out. 

    I know some of you have DH's that play D&D.  I am creating a new character Zofran, he makes you fall asleep by talking to you.  Yesterday I had to drive up to OHSU (DH actually drove) and nausea hit.  Ended up taking Zofran.  Remember when you were a little kid and you would get so tired anything looked like a good place to sleep? I was sprawled out in chairs all over that hospital! At one point the mammography lady even brought me a pillow and blanket.  That is one thing I will take from all this, most people are fundamentaly nice. 

    Soooo....after MRI, CT, Mammo, and ultrasound, they can't find the mass.  They want to compare these test to my origional ones (I changed Dr.s so they are still gathering tests) but the guy that did the priliminary of my imaging said he can find no real sign of the tumor.  I also found out it had been listed as 15 cm.  I was told 10 before.  Anyway, to me my breast still feels lumpy but I have fibrocystic breasts so maybe thats it.  I just wanted to let you all know as crappy as it is Chemo works! 

    Corky

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited May 2012

    Hi kltb04!  Mom's work is never really done, right?  At least you'll have the summer break, as you say.  I have been reading your info on Taxotere with great interest since I'm on the same regiment as you are, with 4 A/C followed by 4 Taxotere. I'm schedule to  have my last A/C on 6/21, so should start Taxotere around 7/12.  

    KCB - My oncologist didn't recommend the port at first because they said they typically do those for treatment regiments that are longer than mine - but after all the problems I had with the IV during tx#1, I asked and they referred me for the port placement.  

    I had originally thought they would use my hand, too, but the chemo nurses said that for Adriamycin, they can't because they need to use a vein that has a lot of flesh around it.  Maybe with your chemo cocktail a hand vein would work.  I'll sure hope so.  You do deserve a break after all you've been through!!

  • lostinmo
    lostinmo Member Posts: 922
    edited May 2012

    Corky-that's great news that they can't find the lump.  3 cheers for chemo, makes feeling like crap worth it.

  • MichelleMassey
    MichelleMassey Member Posts: 213
    edited May 2012

    Day 3 after first Taxol and feeling much better. Got some good news on my PET/CT scan. My cancer in my breast and lymph nodes is not showing up. I go Tuesday for my MRI so I will find out if it's shrunk any. I'm sure it has since I can't feel it and my MO said he can't feel it either. Will keep praying on that. Hope everyone is hanging in there with all the new tx we have going on here.

  • lostinmo
    lostinmo Member Posts: 922
    edited May 2012

    Michelle-praying that you get great news!

  • KCB
    KCB Member Posts: 365
    edited May 2012

    Michelle and Corky: loving the good news!!

    I finally made it to a LGFB workshop today, and actually it was good... I'm a minimal makeup person, so I learned alot. And nice to be with a group of ladies in headscarves, like me.... BUT: does anyone see the irony in having all this fabulous donated makeup and product, when most of it is probably full of suspicious estrogen-mimicking chemicals that some people strongly believe are carcinogenic? Just sayin... Still, they say it's about $500 worth of stuff, most of which I would never splurge for, so it is fun to play with...

    Feeling a bit rotten with my cold.

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited May 2012

    Wow, Corky and Michelle - news like this does make it all seem worth it! :-)



  • Januaryice
    Januaryice Member Posts: 120
    edited May 2012

    Corky and Michelle - must add my two cents and tell you how happy I am to hear your good news. That the one thing that keeps us all going back. It's always in the back of my mind wondering if all these tx are working. Wish there was an easy test to see all those dam cancer cells dying as we go to each tx!!!!!!

    Fedfan- appreciate all the extra advice and info. In the chair today for my 1st Taxol tx.



    Hoping all fellow sisters are having a great day!!!!!!!!

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited May 2012

    Good morning Ladies

    Corky and Michelle

    Yes its good to know that after all the crap we go through during chemo that it's doing what it's supposed to !!!  So happy for the both of you.

    KCB

    I asked one of the volunteers at the LGFB class if the products were paraben free etc.  She wasn't sure.  Yes it was nice to get some free goodies that I might never have tried before but as I buy products now I am alot more diligent about reading labels.  Parabens and lauryl sulfates (spelling) are in so many things that foam up.  I have to wonder if the LGFB moniker is really more about the corporations that donate LOL! 

  • lostinmo
    lostinmo Member Posts: 922
    edited May 2012

    Good Morning all!

    Januaryice- good luck with your first Taxol! 

  • lostinmo
    lostinmo Member Posts: 922
    edited May 2012

    Question-I've noticed that my thumb nails are turning darker near the cuticle, anyone else have this?

  • KCB
    KCB Member Posts: 365
    edited May 2012

    lostin mo: yup, my nails are sort of darker near the cuticle, and have little horizontal ridges...weird, right?

    Going off for tea with a lady with BC introduced to me by a mutual friend...one of my first face to face real person contacts with a sister BC lady...not sure how I feel... a little nervous I don't know why...getting out of my bubble, I guess.

  • lostinmo
    lostinmo Member Posts: 922
    edited May 2012

    KCB-enjoy your tea, sometimes I think it would be nice to talk to someone face to face that's been through this. I'd be nervous to though. Thanks for the nail info, guess it's just something else to put up with.

  • Love74
    Love74 Member Posts: 175
    edited May 2012

    Hi Girls!  I am a week away from my last treatment and I can't wait!!  I'm getting excited to be out in my garden and to walk around a store without getting tired!  I'm excited about having hair again and even a little happy about having to shave my legs again!!

    A note about nails... I was getting a ridge and a dark line with each treatment...now this week they have started lifting a little at the free edge.  I'm hoping they can hang on til I'm done.  I cut them really short and have been using a tea tree cuticle oil.   

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited May 2012

    Yay Love on approaching the end of chemo!



    Can you believe the Kings? I didn't root for them after round 1 but they sure are the real deal. I think they look good to beat either the Rangers or Devils.

  • lostinmo
    lostinmo Member Posts: 922
    edited May 2012

    ok let's see if the internet works long enough this time!

    KCB-enjoy your tea sometimes I think it  would be noce to talk face to face with someone else that really knows.  

    Love-woohoo on the end of chemo!! I just keep repeating "I can do this I can do this".

    Cleaning house today before tomorrows tx except my cat isn't really helping me. And wishing I could find something different to eat that is good. 

    Everyone have a good day today. 

  • Yvyc
    Yvyc Member Posts: 13
    edited May 2012

    Great news Corky and Michelle! I love hearing about the good stuff!

    As always, I seem to come here when something is wrong though. I have a cold I think? Just started the night before last after an evening walk. First, thought it was allergies so took a claritin. Then yesterday got a little worse as the day proceeded. Ended up at my DD's musical theatre performance, crying because I got that tickle in the back of your throat, and was trying so hard not to cough and hack away. Found an old cough drop in my purse and literally put it in my mouth with some of the wrapping still stuck to it, because I thought I was going to lose it! My family thought it was hilarious afterward, they thought I was really crying. I have been pretty emotional lately, but come on.

    Anyhow, spent last night sneezing lots of mucus and not getting much sleep. This morning a bit better, but definitely feels like a cold, no fever. How long after chemo do you have to worry about being sick? I'm two weeks out, but didn't take the Nuelasta shot last time around. Mucus is clear, so I don't think it's an infection, but we have a soccer tournament out of town this weekend, and not sure if I should call my MO... This was one of my good weeks with no appointments!! I have my first Herceptin only tx next Friday.

    Taking, Ziacam, Claritin, Emergen C and gargled with salt water. Anything else anyone recommends? As you can tell I totally hate being sick, was gearing up to my first run in 4 months, which got dissed last night :(

    Thanks!!

    Yvette

  • Love74
    Love74 Member Posts: 175
    edited May 2012

    Indigo -  The Kings are definitely a good team but I'm still reluctant to cheer for them for the final...it will depend on who wins the east...its just hard to cheer for a Sutter when you're from Calgary.

    The last few weeks I have been OD'ing on watermelon and Mango bubble tea...and starbucks strawberry lemonade.  The colder the better...and I have lost a bit of the early treatment perogy pounds I had gained!!

    My feet and hands are pretty tingly now so my last chemo will probably be a lowered dose.  I will have to still do Herceptin and reconstruction but I'm ok with that...the worst part is behind me!  Yay.

  • lostinmo
    lostinmo Member Posts: 922
    edited May 2012

    Yvette I really can't think of anything else to try right now, but you did help me remember to take my claritin.

  • MichelleMassey
    MichelleMassey Member Posts: 213
    edited May 2012

    Lost-I have the dark spots on my thumb nails also. MO said it will go away as the nails grow. I just don't want to lose them.



    Yes it is good to have something good happen while going through this crap. Every little bit of hope makes getting in that chair worth it. Still feeling good, just a little tired after Taxol. Think I overdid it yesterday so going to hang out on the couch today.



    January-good luck today! We get to scratch another one off our list!



    Have a great day all. Let's keep kicking cancers ass!

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited May 2012

    Ladies, do those dark spots look anything like bruises?  I have a spot on my right thumbnail and another on my left index finger down near the cuticle.  The thing is, I do remember catching my finger in a drawer after tx#1, and I could well have squished my thumb somehow, too, although I don't remember it (I tend to be a bit accident prone in the kitchen).  So I've been thinking these probably are bruises.  I had horizontal ridges on my nails prior to treatment starting (they just didn't show much when I was wearing acrylics). 

    I kind of think this isn't chemo related since I'm not on Taxotere yet, and it isn't a common side effect from A/C, just curious, though. 

  • Love74
    Love74 Member Posts: 175
    edited May 2012

    Indigo...mine starts out as a dark pink line then lightens up and turns kind of brown-yellow as the nail grows.  It is a taxotere SE.  I can see a line from each treatment.

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