June 2012 Radiation Rads

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Denise-G
Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777

Hi everyone, I am starting 33 rads on June 10, 2012.  I have been so busy with Chemo, I just haven't done much research about this like creams, bras, clothing, etc!   Maybe we can help each other out so we are prepared!

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited May 2012

    Hi Denise-G!

    Thanks for starting the June 2012 Radiation thread!

    For you, and all who join you in the next month, here's some helpful info on the main Breastcancer.org site on Radiation Therapy, including types of radiation therapy, what to expect, and how to manage side effects.

    Hope this helps!

    --Your Mods

  • Momof2inME
    Momof2inME Member Posts: 683
    edited May 2012

    Hi Denise!! I will follow you anywhere my friend, right into radiation!!Wink My start date is June 25th so you will again be my wonderful barometer just ahead of me. In case in interests anyone else, I will be having my exchange to implant surgery before rads. So we will all see how it goes for me.

    I have Aquaphor, Emu oil, and Palmers concentrated cocoa butter ready. Also, have Tom's of Maine deoderant which is aluminum free and recommended by my center to use during rads. I live in the next town over from the company if you want to try it Denise. I can mail you some. Just pm me.

    (Raising my glass) Here's to rads being the "easy" part of this journery...Smile

  • lmlola59
    lmlola59 Member Posts: 146
    edited May 2012

    Hi Girls,

    I will be starting on May 23rd ,33 rounds which seems closer to June than May so I would like to jump on here if you all don't mind.I just went last week for my mapping and tattoos.Was told as you to only aluminum free deodorant and I have been using Crystal since my diagnosis so I will just continue with this.I was told by the RO that I am only to use Aloe to start and if I have any reactions we will deal with these as they occur like next using aquaphor  but the nurse wouldn't give me any to start.She said when I need it she will give it to me so to be proactive I bought my own I am not going to do the reactive thing but you are not to put it on less than 2 hrs before treatment.I was also told not to take any of the supplements I am now taking the old no antioxidant during treatment,though I am not at this time taking anything considered antioxidant so we will see  on this. I wanted to start the Biotin for my hair but he was against it .Also told no under wire bras and I should  consider sports bras or going bra less when at home.One thing I found interesting is the fact that I am small built makes me the best candidate for limited Se,s due to that fact there is less surface to radiate.I also asked hm what drives the amount of treatments and he explained to me everyone gets the same dosage just more treatments means less radiation per session.When one has undergone Chemo they like to spread it out to give your body a chance to continue to recoup from the chemo.He also explained to me that I probably won't start to feel the fatigue till about week 4 when I am at least half way through.Thats all I can remember right now as I still have chemobrain.

    Momof2 I have been checking on the Emu oil and it seems to be good for a general moisturizer ETC.Do you by any chance use this already and have any feedback on it? 

    Have a great day  

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited May 2012

    Popping in to say hi, but won't be starting until mid/end of June. Will be back...



    Jenn

  • Momof2inME
    Momof2inME Member Posts: 683
    edited May 2012

    Imlol59,

    Welcome! You wil probably be one of the first to start rads in this thread so I know Denise and I will be waiting for all your updates. Smile

    I do not currently use emu oil. Since most Stage 3ers have rads I post a thread there to see what my BC sisters were using for rads. Many of them swear by emu oil. I am willing to try anything so I bought some to have on hand. I found it at Drugstore.com. My center said to use Aquaphor and I just really like all the palmers products that I already use. So there you have it...Really, really hoping we all get through this part with ease.

    {{HUGS}}

  • Hildy910
    Hildy910 Member Posts: 319
    edited May 2012

    Hello ladies, 

    I'll be starting rads on June 4th--got my tats and will go for a dry run on the 1st.  I think I am doing 25 rounds, but it may be 28, not sure yet.  

    I got the deoderant edict, but am told that I can wear underwire bras if they are comfortable, so we'll see what happens.

    I'm already using a cream called My Girls, b/c it's a local business and my physical therapist recommended it. We're kind of curious to see whether it helps at all to  apply it for several weeks prior to the start of rads, so I'm doing that--I figure it can't hurt, so why not?  

  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited May 2012

    Oh gosh, ladies, thanks for all the advice so far!  Really appreciate it!  I've heard that

    Emu Oil really works, too, so will get some of that.  Also heard about http://www.mygirlscream.com/

    that Hildy910 mentioned.  A dear friend works for Lahey Clinic in Burlington, MA and radiation dept there

    recommends it.  They also use http://www.jeanscream.com/ 

    My Radiologist said Aloe, so I guess I best be buying this stuff to start it beforehand.  It sure couldn't hurt!

  • lmlola59
    lmlola59 Member Posts: 146
    edited May 2012

    Hi all,

    I will be sure to update as I progress,I do know how much strength I got from the info before chemo,somehow doing rads doesn't seem as frightening to me.Though I may be totally underestimating what I may have as permanent damage,but we can't think that way.We need to believe it will all be over soon.      

    I think I will also invest in some emu oil as it seems to be good to use all around, but It think I am going to wait and see if I have any problems before I invest in anything else.I bought stuff for just about any SE I saw on these threads for Chemo and now have a med cabinet full of things I thankfully never needed. But thanks for all the recommendations.

    Also one thing they mentioned to me was that doesn't matter whether you are fair skin or  dark.Being light doesn't guarantee you will have burning issues and being dark doesn't guarantee you will not.

    Are any of you doing the hormone therapy also.My Onc wants me to start Tamoxafin in 2 weeks but I thought it would be after rads.Any of you starting during rads?

  • Momof2inME
    Momof2inME Member Posts: 683
    edited May 2012
    I will be on Tamoxifen as well. My onc starts after rads. I started having terrible hot flashes when I started Taxol (chemo) and I heard they get worse with Tamoxifen. That's all I need now is major hot flashes and night sweats in June/July while doing radiation. I'm only 37 so my onc started me on Effexor for those se's. My night sweats are gone and my hot flashes have probably been cut in half. At least something can go my way...Smile
  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited May 2012

    Hi all

    I am going this WED  ( 5/16) for appt. I THINK I am starting partial breast irradiation in June, but I am having second thoughts.  This is the left breast and I already have impaired lung function. I know partial should be less SEs that  " full on"  , but I still can't stop thinking of the possibility of ending up on oxygen before my time.  I am 54 yrs old.

     Is there anyone else here with pre existing issues?
    I SO wish they would just use the PROTON radiation, but I already know they will not.  Virtually NO SEs with that .  (sigh)

  • akinto
    akinto Member Posts: 97
    edited May 2012

    I go in for mapping and tattoos tomorrow. I have no idea what questions to ask. Any suggestions?

  • lmlola59
    lmlola59 Member Posts: 146
    edited May 2012

    akinto When I went for my tats they also went over everything that was going to happen and the why in detail.Don't know for sure but I would assume this will also happen for you and I am sure things will come to you as they are going over everything.Also gave me a folder with all the info I would need.Some immediate concerns would have to do with where your tumor was and how radiation may effect your organs  especially if it is on the right side ,what to expect for fatigue and skin reactions,what they want you to use for creams,deodorants, soaps,bras,what they allow for supplements or vitamins. I was not concerned with the tats but one ended up being smack center of my chest that will show with any low cut tops or bathing suit.It is just the size of a pencil point but it is black so it looks like I have a black head there so not happy with that.I also wanted to know what percentage I would now be in for recurrence after adding this to surgery and chemo.

    Purple32 I was also going to do the partial in January and had the port placed during surgery,but I went to the RO for his scans and found it was to close to my ribs.Didn't want to cause any permanent rib damage and mine is on the right so I worry less about heart and lung damage.At least with the partial if it recurs you can get radiation again in this breast.I don't think you can with the complete.I have never heard of the PROTON radiation I am going to check this out on line.Though I am sure if it was an option where I go it would have been brought up.

    Momof2 I am 52 and still awaiting the flashes,I find they only seemed to be there the first week after TX.Need to go to my GYN end of month because I should have been into Immediate Menopuase but still spotting.So with my luck this will be the next thing to remove.I also heard the flashes are intense on the Tamoxafin and don't want to deal with this at the same time I am dealing with Rads so I am going to present this argument to my Onc when I see here end of month and see if I can delay.Also going to look up Effexor and see if I can use this if needed.

  • kenyohunt1
    kenyohunt1 Member Posts: 53
    edited May 2012

    Hi all I go for my CT simulation 5/21. Rad oncologist said will probably start around the very end of may or early June. We shall see next week. Just had surgery about 18 days ago and had my drains pulled last week. Will be glad when ads are done, but will still be doing herceptin until Dec 10th. Thank you all for posting all the different creams and such. I see a shopping trip in my future...

  • lmlola59
    lmlola59 Member Posts: 146
    edited May 2012
    Purple32 I have looked up the PROTON and am having some trouble figuring out how this is different than the partial.I am sure it is just me is it actually a different kind of ray?
  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited May 2012

    Purple32 - how did your appt go? 

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited May 2012

    Hi Imlola

    I went for my appt. Go back MON for tats and will have 1 week of APBI in mid June. 2x a day.

    I asked about the protons and though there is a current study there at MassGeneral for those who have undergone matsectomy, I was told that they perv. had a study for those with lx and results were not good. It was " not enough" and also there were SEs  she said  . Not sure , but yes, do look up protons. In any case, I cannot have them.

    I was also told there " could be " a  very slim chance of a problem ( fx) to the rib with the APBI , but so so slim ----and almost no direct rads to lungs. SO...... I said yes- what else could I really do ?

    Who likes the choices we get ?  The only thing that makes us able to "choose' them it to know the alternative -  strong chance of recurrence.

    Thx for asking, Denise. The MO said arimidex - dont like this AT ALL as I have osteopenia and have broken several bones. She ordered a bone density and said if they are ' too thin' she will consider adding fosomax. Hmmm....nope, dont think so. I believe I will insist on the nasty tamox. which she said will not be as effective for me due to the fact am POST meno.  Again---no lovely choices, just keep reminding myself of the alternatives.

     Best of luck to all.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited May 2012

    Imlola ,

    Yes, this is a different ray ENTIRELY.

    Proton rads . are quite unique. Virtually all radiation is what is called PHOTON rad.  This , however uses PROTONS .  In Proton rad. the ray is 100% diferent and HIGHLY targeted. It can be aimed at a tumor area and miss the organ in front or behind it. Protons are quite remarkable ..the wave of the future, imho. They are VERY expensive, and many INS Co. will not cover them.  They have  a machine at MassGeneral in Boston, MD Anderson in  Texas and Loma Linda in CA.

    I THINK!  :>)     <if memory serves me>

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited May 2012

    Imlola

    When you look up effexor, pls look up SEs of effexor and/ or ' trying to get off of effexor'.  To the best of my knowledge it must be taken daily.

  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited May 2012

    My friend was on Effexor and could not get off of it.  It was terrible and horrible.   Doctor said it was

    like getting off heroin.   She isn't depressed, but she is on some high that isn't good or healthy.  She's still on it as she almost went nuts trying to get off of it, FYI.

  • lmlola59
    lmlola59 Member Posts: 146
    edited May 2012

    Purple32 Thanks for the great info,I also had a LX so not a canidate anyways.Can't do internal because of location and rib damage so I guess traditional is my only option.

     Denise After what you posted here on Effexor I think I will look for an alternate when and if its needed.I haven't yet started the Tamox or hot flashes so more time to research. 

    Have a great day all 

  • Jag1110
    Jag1110 Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2012

    Hi ladies, I have 1 more chemo June 6th and then should be starting rads end of june or early July, so I'm just trying to learn as much as I can since this is the place I learned the most about my chemo and se's. So I'll be back on when I have time to read all your words of wisdom and probably with a ton of questions! Hope you all are doing well. Cindy

  • Jag1110
    Jag1110 Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2012

    Ok ladies I already have my first question, I read a comment about a soft bra to wear, are there any recommendations out there?

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited May 2012

    II have a cotton sports that zips up the front that I purchased at Penneys.  Not espensive.  Get one a size larger.  You will have bandages and maybe ice packs.

    Silky button up the front PJs by Liz Clairborn also at Penneys.

    Also, mix water and rubbing alcohol about two thirds water and one third alcohol.   Pour into zip lock sandwich bag, not too much because you want it to be pretty flat.  Then place in another zip lock bag to help waterproof.   Place in freezer.  This creates a slush that is easily formed to the shape you need.  Use a cloth bag or washcloth to apply to breast.  Make several as they need to be refrozen all the time.

  • Jag1110
    Jag1110 Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2012

    Infobabe - Thanks for the great info, just so happens I have to go to Penneys today so I will definately check out the bras. I already have the silky pj's but having such bad hot flashes and night sweats since this put me into menopause and the steroids don't help. Do you take steroids during radiation? or any drugs?

  • lmlola59
    lmlola59 Member Posts: 146
    edited May 2012

    Jag1110 No meds during Rads unless I suppose you have an issue and would need an antibiotic. I bought a few new bras with no underwire and a couple of sports bras.Also I can wear tanks with the bra shelves under a shirt if I have any problems.I am small so this will work ok for me.

    Infobabe thanks for the tip on the ice bags hoping I will not need them but will keep them in mind 

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited May 2012

    Popping in to say hello - and thanks to Denise for starting this thread.  I'll happily follow you and Momof2 and Jennifer anywhere! 

    My final chemo is this Thursday and I go in next Tuesday for mapping and tattoos.  I'm pushing for an early start date to my radiation as I want it done as quickly as possible to give me some recovery time in August before school and internship and job start up with a vengeance.  So I plan to start as early as possible in June.

    Thank you for the advice about lotions - I have a feeling I'm going to need them as the AC and Taxol have done a number drying out my skin, which also tends to burn quite easily.  I've heard a couple of people suggest pima cotten tank tops as an alternative to wearing a bra (I've always hated bras and am using every excuse I can find to stop wearing one now).  I've had a couple from Eddie Bauer in the past; they're super-soft and wondefully non-irritating.  I've learned that JCPenney's apparently carries them (far less expensive that EB) so I'm going to go check those out this week.

    I will see you all again very soon!!

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited May 2012

    Hi all, I've got my appointment with the RO this morning where we'll decide on what's happening (she gave me 3 choices at our last meeting - standard 33 tx, "Canadian" 16tx or a new concurrent boost 28tx option).



    Will let you all know later what happens!



    Jenn

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited May 2012

    Back now with a plan!



    Planning CT session and tatoos on Tuesday 5th June. Then treatment start on Monday 18th June. 28 days - full breast and axilla with concurrent tumour bed boost. Finish on 25th July!



    She (RO) had mapped out three choices the other week and I knew she preferred the "traditional" 33 days or the 28day concurrent. I preferred the "Canadian" 16days (why do more than you have to!) or the 28day concurrent. So we agreed on the middle one - she's happy and I'm not happy, but really I know I'm going to cry throughout however many days it is and won't be happy with any of them.



    Rads actually scare me a hell of a lot more than chemo, particularly since we now think I GOT breast cancer BECAUSE of excess diagnostic radiology as an adolescent! Because of this med history discovery in recent weeks I am now considering a full BMX next year...



    I politely refused the extra-clavicular radiation even though she wanted to do it (1 positive sentinal node - no clearance so no idea if anymore were positive) and to her credit she really didn't push. I've read the studies on likelihood of recurrance there versus potential permanent side effects and I'm not happy with the cost/benefit ratio (I'm a researcher and follow the stats). My DH came along and he asked what would be the treatment if I did recur in that nodal area and the treatment would be radiotherapy - so it makes sense to not do it now and to only do it if and when necessary!



    So glad DH came along - he has tended to downplay EVERYTHING so far so even though I had told him the side-effects of radiotherapy I know he was thinking they would be minor and temporary. "Oh she'll have a sunburn for a few days" I could see him thinking... Having the RO clearly state the potential severity of the fatigue and burns, and the long term effects (spontaneous rib fractures, lymphedema, breast shrinkage and fibrosis, permanent lung scarring, secondary cancers) made him really pay attention thank goodness.



    So, I went and was brave and sensible and smiled and nodded even though inside I was screaming NO NO NO NO and just wanted to have a toddler tantrum :-) Cancer sucks!



    Jenn (hoping you will all hold my hand and talk me off the ledge on this part of my treatment!)



  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited May 2012

    Jenn, I had not cried at a medical appt the entire time through diagnosis and treatment until my first appt with RO.  It all caught up with me, cried then and cried for 2 days.  I have my planning CT session and tattoos this Thursday (May 24).  I think I am okay now.  Got all the tears and fears out hopefully. 

    Nancy thanks for the heads up about Pima Cotton and JCP.  Will check it out.  Also, yesterday at Walmart in the women's exercise clothing area I found a Danskin tank with a shelf bra for $9.00 and some really, really thin and pretty soft Just for Me tanks for $5.

    Okay, this sleeping thing has me concerned.  I get so hot at night and usually whip off my clothes from hot flashes.  Do we have to sleep on something satiny or what?  

    The lotions are starting to arrive in my mailbox.  Honestly, it makes me laugh.  More stuff to add to the BC collection.  I have 2 storage bins in my bedroom collecting all the stuff I will have to get rid of when this is over!

    LMLOLA59 - got the Emu oil yesterday.  Ordered it from Amazon - seemed cheapest!  Thank you for all your info.  Really appreciate it!

    Well, off to get Herceptin today so my brain can have a break from Rads!  HA HA! 

  • Jag1110
    Jag1110 Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2012

    Hi Ladies - I bought a really thin hook front sport bra at Walmart made of cotton that I thought looks comfortable, I hate bras and usually take mine off as soon as I get home. I still want to check JCPenney for the zip front but I have such hot flashes and night sweats I don't think I can wear pj's either. I'm kinda waiting for a consult before I buy creams. I do have Remedy skin repair cream that they use at hospitals. At this point I don't know where I'm even getting my radiation for sure.

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