Bad Experience at the fitter?

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  • mrsnjband
    mrsnjband Member Posts: 1,409
    edited December 2011

    I had a bad experience with a fitter as well.  I went in to get my first set of compression sleeves.  She was more interested in selling me a hat to go with my outfit.  She also pressured me into getting a post mastectomy bra.  I still had tubes hanging for crying out loud.  She "told" me my insurance would pay 100% for the first bra.  Well she lied!  Insurance paid about 40% in part because she wasn't part of my insurance group.  So I eventually opted to go flat.  I think we should check them out first.  I won't be pressured to buy anything again. 

    Just recently had reconstruction, so now I have to go find a bra that fits & is comfortable. Ah the life..... NJ 

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2011

    I spent years in ballet classes, and most ballerinas are pretty flat, but don't exactly have posture problems. Still scratching head here, lol.

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited December 2011

    I guess I'm genetically predisposed to posture problems, etc, with my AA size.

    I am not kidding about the size - had a unimax, path report said 227gm.

    Leah

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2011

    Heee, I checked the path report for the weight as well. Mainly because I wanted to know by how much I had to adjust my weight goals. It was not by all that much, lol. I was bigger than you, but it was fairly recent. Most of my life, I was really small and liked it fine that way.

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited December 2011

    For comparison, my no longer perky or dense ones, EACH weighed in the neighborhood of 2150 gm.which was after the 15 lb weight loss prior to the surgery.

    I wasn't small.  You would think based on some kind of physics, that I would now fall over backwards.  Ohhhh no,  they think I am going to fall forward???

    Barbara

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2011

    Wow, talk about cojones ;) Mine were a very modest 450 a piece and I thought they were much too big.

  • topless
    topless Member Posts: 74
    edited December 2011

    How about men?  They are flat chested.  Are they prone to posture problems too?  Funny I never heard about that in my 28 yrs of nursing.  That's such an idiotic line.  I never did go to any fitters even though my doc gave me a prescription that I didn't ask for and had no intention using.  I go flat chested or stick little Target "cutlets" in my old bras if I want to fit into something special.  I giggled when someone mentioned how the fitter couldn't imagine her husband not wanting her to wear foobies to bed.  I would just give my husbnd the foobies to play with any time he wanted to and I would be comfortably flat in bed.

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited December 2011

    "I would just give my husband the foobies to play with any time he wanted to and I would be comfortably flat in bed"...  ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited December 2011

    How funny, indeed, I should eventually get a pair of those Pals and if hubby is missing something, hand them over LOL LOL...too funny!!!

    Humor helps me survive and keep smiling! I am so heartened and lightened by all of your responses, The fitters must go to some sort of "fitters education classes", huh?

    Barbara, you are right, this really is fashion verses life. I am having fun shopping for new clothing that I will wear breast free, but I will still wear old clothing with foobs, when I find the right thing. I too will try the ABC first forms Barbara suggested...I really appreciate suggestions like this, because I just have no idea what to order. I am often looking at your wonderful breastfree website.

    Is metromedical good with accepting returns?

    I have to say last year I was shocked when I got a bill from the fitter, I really did naively think insurance covered the things I picked...she told me it would!! So I paid alot of money for things I waited too long to return.

    I did share my terrible fitter experience with my surgeon as well as my family doctor and they both felt shopping online is the best way to go, and that way what might feel ok in 5 minutes, you have a few days to really decide.

    Thank you all ladies!!! Funny too, I don't think I have cojones, but apparently, I am growing a good pair :-)

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited December 2011

    So what is the smallest size foob available? I had a unimast and so far have made my own. No, I don't sew - I took the foot of a stocking and used cotton in it and pinned it into my bra. One of these days I'll actually buy one if I can. Heck, if I don't wear it I can give it to my DH to play with.

    I could probably go flat on that side but I'm too self-conscious to do that. Also, my clothes don't hang right if I don't have something there, at least in my eyes.

    Leah

  • lisa-e
    lisa-e Member Posts: 819
    edited December 2011

    The fitter I saw when I got mast bras and forms was pretty good.  She didn't feed me any lines about needing to wear forms.   Even though I got the forms and they are comfortable to wear, most of the time I don't because it is too much bother.  I am always running late in the a.m. and it takes me too long to slip the forms into the bra pockets.  As I mostly wear tee shirts, no one pays any attention to my flat chest.  Yesterday I went to the dentist.  I have been seeing him for 28 years.  He asked me what drugs I am taking and what they were for.  He was surprised I was taking one for breast cancer.  I accused him of not paying attention.  He said he normally pays attention to my mouth, not the rest of my body.  :-)

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2011

    Crystal, it is a little known medical fact: When they remove the boobs, you start growing cojones ;)

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited December 2011

    Momine, Thank you, I am sitting here laughing :-)

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 4,562
    edited December 2011

    I don't wear them very often but when I do want to get all dressed up I have a pair of stick on Amoena foobs which I wear with an Aha or Genie bra.I was fitted on a BC cruise by Amoena reps so my experience was good.I recomend the ones with adhesive they don't shift around.Only drawback is they are hot to wear in warm climates.

  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited January 2012
    Just wanted to let you all know that I went back to the fitter in a different frame of mind - not sure what the difference was, but I was certainly more open-minded and optimistic.  The same very nice but clueless girl was so polite and kind, she pulled out the smaller prostheses she had ordered in for me to try, discovered not one single bra was going to work, but I had taken my sports bras in, and we kind of rigged up a little "double bra" system to keep the foobs in place.  Long story short, I found that they are small enough for me, but make me look less concave and now just a little thin, and they are a great bumper guard against all the huggers in my life who have been well-meaning but have just aggravated the chest discomfort.  And they seem to give me just a little pressure over the areas that hurt most, and it's kind of like rubbing your arm when it hurts and it feels better - my chest actually feels better.  So I have completely forgiven the young lady for my experience - in fact, I should be asking HER forgiveness as I think I was just in a a very bad mood when I went in before.  What IS IT with these MOOD SWINGS?????? Yell
  • sespebadger
    sespebadger Member Posts: 249
    edited January 2012

    Just found this thread today and wanted to say that my Amoena foobs are like an accessory. If you are friends with me you are going to see me some day with boobs and some days flat.....that's the reality. I went flat all day today as I was working from home. Great to go flat at yoga class. Posture is NOT a problem!!! Fine to go flat at the supermarket too!! And tomorrow I'll wear my very comfortable Amoena prostheses in my very comfortable Amoena bra because I'm going in to work and am going out to lunch.  I encourage anyone with a bad fitting experience to go to another fitter. I bought prostheses in a B cup and they feel perfect. I had been a C or D before surgery. Get what is comfortable. Flat is great and comfortable prosteses are also great. Oh, I never wear prostheses when I am intimate with my husband....not necessary really. Lingerie looks great when I am flat chested.  When I lie on my tummy I am happy not to have implants or prostheses. I'm about a year and a half out and I'm quite used to having options. Still not interested in reconstruction.

     Good luck!

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited January 2012

    I really appreciate all of the thoughts shared here.

    Going to another fitter is not a reality for me, living in a smaller area, we have only one, and I think it would be alot of stress to travel 2 1/2 hours for a fitter.

    LInda, I really appreciated your post, I do feel like I need "bumpers" so I am not so afraid to be bumped. Could you please tell me what size you purchased?

    I think, in time, I will "suck it up" and go back to the fitter, and they will want me to buy huge foobs  and I am just going to have to be firm and buy what I like. Maybe I will take my husband along.

    I need to go back to work, a job out with the public, and I am fine with being flat...but I worry about getting bumped...

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited January 2012

    Crystal:  You probably noticed on other threads that I took the plunge and purchased foobs over Christmas.  I was under a deadline to purchase before the end of the year and with work obligations had one day to get it done.  I ended up going back to the first shop that had suggested stick ons.  Like Linda, I went into this appt. with a very different frame of mind.

    I originally chose American Breast Care (ABC) style 1042 forms (these are lightweight forms) in size 3.  I quickly realized they were just too small and went up to a size 4 which you have seen on the other threads, are quite subtle.  The photos I posted are with the size 4.  I had gone flat for nearly 20 months and so forms seemed much bigger at first than they really were.   Having lived with them for a few weeks now, I find the size 4 is very good. Maybe at some future time I might consider a size 5.  For comparison, I am 5'6", 138 lb, and wear at least size 12 or large shirts.  I wear size 36A or 36B bras depending on their fit.

    I am really new to be offering advice but here goes anyway.  I know many of us are really enamored with going small but my 2 cents would be to not go too far which means I would not be inclined to go less than an A cup - too limiting on finding bras. 

    Barbara

  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited January 2012

    Barbara, you are very correct in that less than an A cup is nearly impossible to find bras for.  Before BC, I was a 30AA and could never find a good bra, so got used to sport bras and teenage bras.  When I looked at the mastectomy bras with pockets for the prostheses, the smaller prostheses will not fill the cup.  I am only 5'1" and weigh just about 90 lbs, so finding things to fit was a pain even before BC.  But getting a larger one for me just didn't look or feel right - I did try a few! (my DH laughed that if I got a DDD, I might fall over and not be able to get up!). 

    So, in answer to Crystalphm, I got a size 1 Amoena Essential Light 442.  I have one sports bra that is front zip and it has pockets that I got for my lumpectomy last year, and have found it works pretty well for me - no molding of the cups - but it doesn't work well with some shirts as the straps come so far up on the shoulders.  So I am thinking of ordering pockets to be sewn into my other stretchy lightweight bras.  They are actually thin enough that I have used them doubled up to keep the prostheses in place but not touching my skin.

    You have to just try a few to decide what size is best for you.  I am considering what to use when I get back to the pool as I am not sure these hold up with chlorine very well.  I have had kind of a rough couple of months, and have just been released to begin activities SLOWLY, so I am starting with Tai Chi today and will hope to get back to water aerobics by spring break, so I have a little time to find the right prostheses for water sports.

    Sespebadger, I like the way you comment that your foobs are accessories!  I usually didn't bother with a bra at home before, so going flat is great at home - just finding the bumper thing is helpful with the huggers I know!

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited January 2012

    Linda,

    You are so teensy tiny that I am like an Amazon next to you but I have two thoughts. May be of no help whatsoever but perhaps worth a shot.

    I am seeing the Genie bras at Walgreens, BB & B, Target and in the last few days saw an XS at Walmart.  With the pocket already built in and the super stretchy material it might be a possibility.  At Target and Walmart you can try them on right in the store.  The Ahh is also a possibility but doesn't have the built-in pockets.

    My go to sports bras after surgery to protect a sensitive chest and to strap down The Mutant center dog ears before I had them removed, was a Bally Total Fitness from Sams Club. I used the same bra to hold my silicone pad and compression bandaging in place after The Mutant removal. In fact, in order to take a break from the Ace bandaging, I would use it alone with the silicone pad for a few hours a day as it did provide some level of compression. It is totally flat and one piece from side seam to side seam.  When I first tried the size 3's in an XL, I made my own cover and just placed them in the bra.  In spite of no pocket or anything else to hold them in place, remarkably they did not move an iota no matter how much I raised my arms in the air, swung them around or touched my toes, and the top band hugs the chest so no gapping.  They are double fabric so you might even be able to improvise a pocket.  They come 3 to a package of assorted colors for under $12 and are an ultra soft stretchy cotton t-shirt type material.  They sort of have a bandini kind of look with spaghetti straps.   For me they held everything in place so well that they was nearly no weight being put on the straps.

    For anyone else reading this a size 3 form was the largest that you could put in an XL.  Not reasonable for my size 4's.

    Barbara

  • TAPPY
    TAPPY Member Posts: 283
    edited January 2012

    Just an update...I love the micro bead forms from TLC and I am thinking of getting the foam ones.

    I wear the micro bead forms more with my Genie bras than I do the silcone ones with the masc.bras.

    Just saying

  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited January 2012

    Barbara, did you see Genie bras at the store?  I ordered some, and they are wonderful for fit, but the arm holes are small and rub against the front and back of my armpit, set off the nerves like they are on fire.  I need a bra that is low cut in the arms.  Also, did the ones you saw have pockets already in?  These don't have.  I am wondering if there are slightly different versions, and would love to check them out.  These that I got feel great across the chest, just miserable under the arm (I am having way too much problem with that - BS told me I would have numbness, didn't say anything about pain exacerbated by anything touching it).

    I talked to my sister who used to get blue ribbons on her sewing in 4-H and she thinks she can help with putting some t-shirt material pockets in for me in a couple of weeks.  Looking forward to some hands-on help with this. I appreciate all the advice here - now looking forward to putting some into practice soon!

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited January 2012

    The fitter I used is a local one off kind of boutique.  She's not a survivor but has been in the business for 27 years and I just love her. She obviously loves what she does I originally bought a cami type top with a shelf and a featherweight foob.  She didn't want me to come back until 6 weeks post op. I went back and she had me try on various styles/ colours.  She also had the weighted prostesis.  I've worn it a few times and every time I do, I forget its there less and less. I just realized I've had it on 15 hours and it just struck me. At night though I find it comfortable to go foobless.  Not once did she ever mention anything about wearing to prevent osteo or anything else.  For me it was all about filling out my clothes, since I only had uni.

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited January 2012

    Linda, I can only speak for my local area but I can find Genie bras, 2 to a package (1 nude, 1 black) for $19.99, usually in the "As Seen On TV" section and all the Genies that I have seen in my area have pockets though they need a little minor revision as discussed on the thread shown below.  I have seen them at Walmart, Target, Walgreens and Bed Bath & Beyond.  Bed Bath & Beyond had the largest selection of sizes going up to 3X where the others only went to the XL/1X size.  Take a look at this other thread.

    aaahhhhh bra or genie bra

    I understand the cutting under the arm. It is a big problem for me too with certain bras but then if it is too low, I find they slice right through the fluffy stuff on the side so it is a delicate balance for me.  If you are wanting to stay with the Genie, I would at least try going up in size.  It might enlarge the armhole and relieve enough pressure to be okay. 

    I am sooooooo new to wearing forms that you have to take what I say with a grain.  I have found 3 possible mast bras that are super stretchy like the Ahh and Genie but have adjustable straps and back closure which I find helps me make the necessary adjustments to take pressure off the trouble areas.  The first which has the most coverage is the Cool Comfort from TLCDirect.org  It is the very first bra shown on the bra page.  The next is an Amoena Marlena which has less coverage.   I love both of these bras.   The third is a Classique 769 which is my least favorite but I think that is because it is just not enough bra for my frame and doesn't quite hit in the right places on me, might be perfect on someone with just a little different proportions. 

    Check out Breastfree.org that has reviews of a number of bras including the Amoena Marlena and Classique 769.  Breastfree also reviews a couple of bras like Coobies that work well on smaller frames.

    Always remember that each of us is different so what works for each of us is also different.

    I started another thread that you could also check out.

    All things bras & prosthesis

    Barbara 

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited January 2012

    Trying again on the link for the All things bras & prosthesis

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/82/topic/781208?page=2#idx_32

    Barbara

  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited January 2012

    Barbara, thanks so much for your thoughts!  I am really new to this whole thing - just never gave it a thought in the past as I am so NOT well-endowed that I just mostly went bra-less at home, and used those flimsy little nylon things from JC Penneys for daily wear as they were more than adequate.  Now I have to have something to put my off-the-shelf boobs in.... such a hassle.  I am SOOOOO much a blue jeans/flannel shirt kind of gal, and this is just plain annoying.  On the other hand, I have to say that I am taking more time to try to make myself look "put together" and healthy.  Plus the foobs are comfortable, provide a little buffer to overzealous huggers in the family/friends group, and sort of just feel more like "me" - as Myleftboob said - I just forget they are there after a bit - just feels "natural."

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited January 2012

    Linda, From the way you are talking I have a sneaking suspicion the Classique 769 will remind you a bit of your old flimsy nylon bras.  If you get a chance at least try on the Amoena Marlena which could well be another possibility.  I found both of these bras locally.  I get the impression they are both very popular bras and therefore you might see if you can track them down in your local area to try on. I suspect the TLCDirect Cool Comfort will have too much coverage and will seem like too much bra for you even though it is like the others, super stretchy. 

    Here is the link for the Amoena US Store Locator

    http://www.amoena.com/us/StoreLocator/US-retailers/

    If you have a nearby Nordstroms, see what they carry in mast products.

    Barbara

  • Ihopeg
    Ihopeg Member Posts: 399
    edited May 2012

    I just can not believe it! I posted on this thread about having problems with fitters last year. Well, I went to another place and had a problem again. I lost 25 lbs and my old foob was too heavy, so I went to get a new one. The fitter didnt listen to one thing I said. She kept bringing me in foobs that were not the right shape and size and as far as bras go, I was measured at a 40 and she brought me bras that were 44 or 48. Shw had me try on a bra that didnt fit, then wanted me to put the foob in, I could not tell how the foob looked because the bra was too small. I ended up saying that I would be back after I lost more weight. The fitter did say she was checking with the manager with the selections she brought and did apologize. She said it was the first time someone came in for foobs and bras and left with nothing. I have had it!! Sorry to vent. Its bad enough that we have to wear them, the fitters could know what they are doing. Im done. I am ordering online. NO MORE MASTECTOMY STORES FOR ME!

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited May 2012

    Wow! I was the person who started this thread a year ago..and I just made an appointment to try it again, thinking maybe it was me who was overly sensitive. But your experience reminded me of exactly what it was like, no one listening to me and these foobs that must have been filled with cement, all the wrong thing for me.

    Oh I don't believe for A minute that this was the first time someone left with empty hands, I think they are well trained to say all the wrong things to make us feel badly. They are in a business that deals with a very intimate sort of issue, and they truly often are not the right personality for the job.

    Just this week I called an order into Still Me and a woman who had a mastectomy herself answered the phone. She immediately understood what "place" was hurting me and she helped me navigate the products, and I have 2 coming via mail. I really think online, checking out the return policy, is the way to go with this.

    Well, I am sorry you had a bad experience and your venting helps me think I am not losing my mind. There really is an issue with fitters, and that issue is for them to sell off the stuff no one else wants.

    Oh! I see you are in PA...hmmmm...me too! No big surprise here, huh?

  • Ihopeg
    Ihopeg Member Posts: 399
    edited May 2012

    Thank you!! I really thought it was me too. The place I am talking about is Yellow Daffodils in West Chester, PA.The other one is in Berwyn PA. It's called Bosom Buddies!!! I hope your online products work well for you!!

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