Does the looming dread of recurrence ever go away?
I know I'm still relatively new in my diagnosis, but I go through weeks where I feel like it's just a waiting game. I know not everyone recurs, but I just can't seem to shake the dread. Does it ever get easier?
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I'm not stage III (but only 1 node away from it). It gets better for most of us.
You have to realize that your risk of getting into a car accident is probably pretty high but you don't worry about it every time you get into a car. You put on your seat belt and drive safely. Same with breast cancer. You do what you need to do to reduce risk: treatment, exercise, maintain a healthy weight, reduce alcohol consumption, etc.
In order to be a survivor you need to enjoy life. None of us know when our final day is. There's always that bus we need to watch out for too.
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Lana - going to PM you...I feel like I can't even get past the fear of "occurance" much less recurrance...I don't know what it is going to take to convince me that every ache and pain isn't mets. I dread going to the MO before each TX because I feel like I need to tell her any little tiny thing I am worried about and that rather than reassuring me, she is going to order another scan that might find something. And as you know, I am not even 1/2 way through chemo yet - (((sigh)))...maybe I need to go read some of those positive quotes I am always posting.
Hope it's ok I posted here, I am IIB rather than III but who knows since I only had the SNB if I might've had more +nodes.
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I'm 3 years out, and believe it or not, I can actually go days at a time without worry. My MO told me he doesn't want me to forget, he wants me to be vigilant. I've found it extremely helpful to focus on staying healthy: exercise, eating well, staying clear of pollutants, etc. It's something I can do to take a measure of control over my health. I feel good about living a healthier, cleaner lifestyle and I wind up enjoying each day even more.
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Thanks ladies. I know right now I'm probably still in some state of shock (even though it's been 3 months since my DX) and that, at some point, it will get easier.
kltb - Glad you posted here. We were diagnosed so close to the same time and have so many similarities, I forget that you are IIB rather that III. In the grand scheme of things, we're still going through the same thing, whether we're the same stage or not.
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I think so too (about the staging) - I don't think my MO puts a lot of empasis on staging in general - I wouldn't even know mine if I hadn't seen it on my chart. She isn't big into stats, numbers of any kind from what I gather.
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lanagraves- i definately know how you feel. I am still going through treatment (chemo then rads) and am about 4 months since DX. I cannot seem to get the fears of reacurrance out of my head. It is there everyday. It does seem the longer that goes by the better we will deal with it as others that are longer in than us seem much more positive. I think we -you, me and kitb04 can probly draw alot of strength from people who are farther along here. And hopefully we can all be there answering a similar post from someone else that is new to BC a few years from now with our comforting wisdom and kind words for someone as scared as we are right now.
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Give it time. When you are going through treatment breast cancer is all you can think about. Once you start to physically feel good again, more like your old self the fear really does start to go away.
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Call me Alfreda E. Neuman - "What? Me Worry?"
Seriously, there is no way I'm going to waste precious time and energy on worrying about mets/recurrance. If the time comes, then I'll put my energy into fighting again. Actually with IBC, the odds are more likely to develope mets than to not. Aug will be 3 yrs since DX and I'm still riding NED so that's what matters now. As it stands now, I'll be driving in a Powder Puff Demo Derby in Aug - might not survive that. I do all sorts of things that have the potential of something happening while doing it - but that's called being 'alive'. Not every day is "sunshine, lollipops and rainbows" but after a storm passes (leaving moisture to nurture life) the sun does come out. -
As many have said, it does get better. I am almost three years out from dx and though I still think about bc every day (I come on the boards every day!), I am not living in fear every day. There is a difference. As more time goes on, the fear factor certainly diminishes, though it is still hard to imagine getting to a place where I don't think about it at all!
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I think about recurrence every day. The reality is that estrogen positive breast cancer can recur many years out. The fact that I'm ok almost two years from diagnosis is GREAT, however I'm not sure how significant that is in terms of long term survival. I try to enjoy my life to its fullest so I don't have regrets. I woud love to know for sure that I'm ok, but that's not reality. I feel good, but the worry is always there.
Elizabeth
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I am only a few weeks out from end of treatment, and it is getting hard not to worry about recurrence. It is true that ending treatment is in some ways like leaving the safe womb, especially after 32 RADS where I could see or talk to a doctor or nurse any day with any concerns. For me, it's been thinking I've found inflamed lymph nodes. I haven't had any aches or pains. Right now, I'm worried about a round, tender spot that has formed under my scar where it ends in the center of my chest on my (supposedly) prophylactic side. I have an appointment about that on Friday.
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Yes, it gets better! It takes time, but it does get better. For me, 6 years later...it's like the fear is in a box with the lid on. If something crops up (a recent MRI on my hip/CT on my chest wall-all clear except for what I call a broken butt..haha) the lid comes off and the fear comes out. BUT, the fear goes back in the box MUCH faster and easier than it used to.
Hugs to all!
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Look at me, six years out...and I still feel like I'm living under a black cloud. I've had a few scares over the years (most of them necessitating nuclear bone scans) but so far have dodged the Stage IV bullet which I'm certain is heading my way. I used to try to imagine the scenario of my onco giving me that Stage IV diagnosis, so I could be more "prepared"...but actually, medical technology is a moving target and if I can just put it off long enough they might have come up with better & more effective treatments.
I SO feel where you are - your post pretty much mirrors one I wrote my first year after treatment!
Best wishes to all - Julie
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Julie - I do the same thing (imaganing the news) thinking if I am prepared for it, it won't be as bad...but your post reminded me of this quote, which someone put on my initial thread when I was diagnosed and fearing the worst from my scans and I have often thought of.
"Don't spend a lot of time fixating on the worst case scenario. It rarely goes down as you imagine it will, and if by some fluke it does, you will have lived it twice." Micheal J. Fox
All that said, I still do it (imagining worst case scenario). But I am really good at remembering quotes
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Waving to you Sugarplum. Love the picture.
Recurrence always weighs on my mind. It takes a while to learn how to live with the knowledge that you can't take living to a ripe old age as a given. Each day is a blessing. Some days it is easier than others to keep the worry from taking control. Luckily, my onc does not do regular scans so I don't have the extra anxiety about that. And my gp is really good at following up any concerns that I have with the necessary tests.
What drives me crazy is when people say 'be patient' about things. I want to yell that I can't be patient anymore. I have to go after what I want instead of just going through the motions of life and 'waiting' for things to happen. Does that make any sense?
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Honestly..........."No"
Speaking for myself of course
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I am 6 years out from diagnosis and the fear is still there but nothing like it was immediately following treatment. For me, once the physical fight was over the psychological battle began. For a long time I just pushed the fear away but I finally realized that I was living in almost constant fear and not enjoying my life. It was like I thought that if I played out the scenario of having a recurrence I would somehow be prepared for it. I finally decided to mention the fear to my docs and they convinced me to go for counseling. It was the BEST thing I have ever done! It did not take long for me to get a handle on the fears and to develop strategies to handle those times when I became anxious. I just needed to process what I had gone through. There was no time to process any of it when first diagnosed and in treatment. I was just trying seem "normal" to those around me and I was trying to keep a sense of normalcy for my then 4, 6 and 8 yr. old daughters.
Don't think that just because you are done or near the end of treatment that things will go back to the way they were before. You have been through a life altering event. That doesn't mean you will be feeling how you are now, all the time. It just takes some time to adjust and get back on course. I never thought I would live without constant fear but here I am, doing just that. You will too.
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Mary, I had the same thing. Drove me crazy because I couldnt even touch that sensitive spot. I just had to check when I was reading your post. It's just a little tender but nothing like it was.
I was told that the burns you have on the outside from rads are 3 times worse on the inside. Just need time to heal and most of that all goes away. Save people like Bugs and Sugarplum to your favorites. That way when they post something you are notified.......they are a huge part of feeling better. A great inspiration to me. THANKS GALS
Pip, did you have any scans done? I had my initial breast MRI before surgery and a CT scan after chemo because my groshang became badly infected and broke inside me. Was stuck and then didnt put me under when they removed it. Spent 5 days in the hospital 103 temp. Was NOT good. Now that I am done with chemo and rads, I beg for a scan to know that tx did what was intended. But I get nowhere
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Mary, I had the same thing. Drove me crazy because I couldnt even touch that sensitive spot. I just had to check when I was reading your post. It's just a little tender but nothing like it was.
I was told that the burns you have on the outside from rads are 3 times worse on the inside. Just need time to heal and most of that all goes away. Save people like Bugs and Sugarplum to your favorites. That way when they post something you are notified.......they are a huge part of feeling better. A great inspiration to me. THANKS GALS
Pip, did you have any scans done? I had my initial breast MRI before surgery and a CT scan after chemo because my groshang became badly infected and broke inside me. Was stuck and then didnt put me under when they removed it. Spent 5 days in the hospital 103 temp. Was NOT good. Now that I am done with chemo and rads, I beg for a scan to know that tx did what was intended. But I get nowhere
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Cindi, I initially had all the scans and tests done. But now they only do them if I develop symptoms. My rule is that if a pain or ache continues beyond 2-3 weeks then I will go to the doctor. In the last 5 years, I have had scan of lungs and abdomen done to rule out mets. So far, so good.
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I'll be 2 years in July and it has gotten better for me but it was a very slow process, I agree with Carol. And even now some days I get it on my mind and have a low day. I try to stay busy and that helps. What helped me most is telling myself, I have no control over this and no matter how much I think or worry about it....it's still going to suck, be hard and I won't ever be prepared. All the worrying or freting over it will not make it easier or prepare me, it's only wasting the days I have. It would actually ruin my days with my children and I was this angry and bitter person. I don't want them to remember me like that or waste the time I have with them, I had to let it go. It took so much from me and I was tired of it taking. I do think about BC everyday but as Gilly said I don't think of the reoccurence, there is a difference. The first year is rough and it takes time to heal, hang in there it's still early.
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I agree Carol, as well. Gaining perspective on one's situation during the "emotional storm" takes a little time, but it can be done.
What helped me was going through my family history in preparation for genetic testing (for which I didn't qualify). When I went through my family's medical history - both sides, four generations back - I found a much scarier scenario developing with regards to heart disease/sudden heart attack/stroke then with cancer. In a "study" of over 40 first- and second-degree relatives, there was only one case of breast cancer (my mother) other than mine; no cases of ovarian cancer; and over 15 cases of heart-/stroke-related diagnoses or death. I interpreted this information as I had a much greater chance of dropping dead of a heart attack (acute myocardial infarction took my father and three of my paternal uncles before the age of 50); developing heart disease/congestive heart failure (one maternal uncle and one paternal uncle); various other heart-issue related deaths (on BOTH sides); not to mention my mother who has survived breast cancer and a heart attack AND a mild stroke to live into her 80's.
Sure, breast cancer could kill me. But so could a heart attack, a stroke or that proverbial bus mentioned above! In addition to my five-year breast cancer follow-up plan, I am - now - waiting for a referral to a cardiogist for a complete work-up...
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Yes, it does get better with time! I can tell you I've been through more than a few scares along the way, and I echo what Bugs says about it getting easier to "close that box". Every day is a blessing, and I'm so thankful and appreciative. That's what keeps me going...
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I've been there, 16 years ago, 11 years ago and 2.5 years ago. It does get better, as soon as you decide for you that you're not going to give cancer more than it took without your permission. It's good to be prudent though, without making yourself crazy (BTDT). Follow the 2 week rule. If something seems off, give it 2 weeks and if it isn't gone, get it checked out. Diarize and alarm it on your phone and forgeddaboudit until the alarm goes off. Make sure you record what it was because odds are it will have gone away and you'll have forgotten about it!
If you're still in tx or just done, cut yourself some slack. You've just spent how many months having surgeries, treatments, going to doctors appointments, labwork and on and on. When you're done there's that panicked moment (weeks) where you go who's watching it, what if ..... It's like riding a bike without training wheels for the first time... scarey. But time passes and you get a few non-traumatic onc visits under your belt and you start to relax. Besides, what does worrying do? It sure as h-e-double-hockey-sticks doesn't keep mets away. Life is short, eat chocolate and just keep moving forward.
Sage advice I received: Don't worry until you have something to worry about!
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I had to post on this thread cuz that's the frame of mind I was in but it's just starting to turn around. My dx was April 2011, tons of nodes (close to 20) and since out the other end of a long rough treatment.
Yesterday met with surgeon for one final clinical, had pre-op bloodwork and in 2 weeks the port is gone. I take this as the first milestone in that this is the surgeon telling me early on that my cancer was extremely aggressive and to expect a long hard road to battle - yesterday it was he that said I've done great and it's time for the port to come out, having been given NED after tons of testing. Also, at 57, my 40th HS reunion is next year and the memorial page is ever growing. Seeing at least 20 of our former classmates no longer with us, reminds me that my mother died at 47 year sold so I've outlived her by 10 years and "kids" my own age, some by over 15 years. That's not a consolation but it puts things more into perspective so I'm going more easy on myself!
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So much wisdom on this page, I even copied a few comments to read when I get down. Thank you!
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Hope you don't mind if I post here. I feel like there is not a good place for us Stage 2Bs
This post is full of inspiration and I needed some of that today. It was one of the days where all I did was think about recurrence. Thank you:)
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I felt an surprising sense of fear when I finished my treatment. I think I didn't realize the comfort that chemo gave me of having something flow through me that would kill anything that may have been left behind.
It didn't take me long to refocus and concentrate on what I can control and not what I can't.
Then a couple of weeks ago, my gyn found something in the remaining breast and moved my dr's appointment up with my breast surgeon. It was scheduled for Aug and as soon as I could get in is July 2 as my surgeon is out of town for a couple of weeks. I wanted that breast removed as well because of things like this but I guess at this point it's something to help me focus again on what matters and that for me is God, His love and His glory.
I bet lots of women here have had false scares. Maybe that would be a good topic.
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Almost 3 years since my dx. And finding out I'm BRCA 2+. My dx was slightly worse than my sister's (she was IIIa and I was IIIc) who passed away from BC in 2005. But I feel better with every month that passes by. I concur with what the other ladies have said. It's been a hard road getting here, but I don't worry about BC everyday like I did for the first two years. It's my past and not my future.
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I just finished rads on Friday and feel lost. Starting Tamoxifen tomorrow and continuing herceptin until February. Thought I'd bump up this thread for anyone else feeling some anxiety. I reread the posts and hoping it helps me through today.
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