Has anyone had micro fat grafting?

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    @cllb052975

    No insurance that I know of will cover the BRAVA system as it is currently in clinical trials for full breast reconstruction. I paid $775 for the domes and smartbox system. Additional domes, if you run out of room during expansion, cost about $350.

    Most insurances, with the exception of a few, will cover the fat harvesting and micro-fat grafting to the breast.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    @hbcrdreams - the best explanation for the BRAVA system is on the website of the inventor. I can't copy and paste on the board. Go to miamibreastcenter.com and click on reconstruction drop down menu to "tissue engineering a breast"

    I know of no dissatisfied customers.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited May 2012

    clb, there's a forum here on the discussion boards for Insurance and Other Financial Issues where there may be answers about effective ways to deal with your insurance company. Just click the link to open a new window to the forum.

    The Mods

  • kriserts
    kriserts Member Posts: 224
    edited May 2012

    CLB, my insurance co. denied FG, but finally agreed on appeal. Given your history, this may be helpful:

    I wrote an appeal letter making these points: 1. FG with the Brava is implant free reconstruction, and all the doctors that they'd told me were covered under my plan only do FG with implants (I had to call each doctor and make sure this was correct; I spoke to their nurses). 2. Given my history of pulmonary embolism after MX surgery, and discovery of a clotting disorder, FG was the safest proceedure for me. A flap proceedure would be a lot longer in the OR, and have a high risk of failure with my condition.

    After that I listed the doctors I had consulted prior to Dr. Ahn, most of which had discouraged me from a flap. I called their offices and asked them to send the consult notes to Ahn's office, where they were collected into a package for the insurance company. One of the docs that I'd consulted with prior was nice enough to write a letter herself, stating she thought FG with the Brava was what I needed.

    Then I went on to describe the pain I suffer from the implant, how I thought Brava would help the new fat cells survive, and provided some other info that Dr. Ahn had told me, like about the en-bloc capsuletomy she was going to do.

    And THEN I listed my entire history of surgeries and treatments, with a final conclusion that I'm a high-risk patient and stressing again that my implant was painful, none of their docs did implant-free FG, and FG with Brava is the safest surgery, offering the best aesthetic, functional and practical solution, and no in-network docs provided the same. 

    I think if you have a doctor saying you "scare" him, then you could use some of the same strategy. My PS's office provided me with a form letter as an example of what I should say in the appeal, your doc probably can provide the same. And then I customized the heck out of mine. 

  • lisagwa
    lisagwa Member Posts: 232
    edited May 2012

    Please forgive me if I asked this already. I have had a rough time lately about several things and I am not functioning as well. I am following up to find out if everyone is still happy with their FG decision? Have you found any lumps that were worrisome? Was there pain either in your breast or where the fat was taken from? How many FG procedures have you had and what size are you? Any afterthoughts or additional info is always welcome. my plan is to have recon this summer (still deciding between FG and implants). Thx again.



  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    I have implants, but had fat grafting around them. I have not reabsorbed too much and they look great. Since I have maxxed out my out of pocket insurance costs for this year, I am going to have one more go round in the fall and be done.



    I was large before and wanted to be smaller. I am a full b, small c and love it. I was always small until I had kids.



    I considered the brava system and talked with Dr. Khouri. In the end, no one locally did it and I didnt want to travel to have it done. So, I went with the implants. Maybe, if I have to have something new in the future, I will have enough fat left to replace implants with fat.

  • Pointvalue
    Pointvalue Member Posts: 146
    edited May 2012

    Hi Eileen,



    Did Dr. Ahn do your fat grafting? Do you have an implants too? I have an appointment with her this week.



    Thanks so much,



    Elise

  • EileenKaye1
    EileenKaye1 Member Posts: 469
    edited May 2012

    Pointvalue--fatgrafting has made quite a difference over my implant.  Will be going to a smaller implant, or total fatgrafting in the fall.

    Not sure I will be able to wear the Brava.  Will  try.  Eileen

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    bumping for Braveheart

  • clb052975
    clb052975 Member Posts: 47
    edited June 2012

    I am clb052975 and I have just started the brava system with fat grafting.  I thought I would blog daily to let you all know how things are going.  Let me first of all say that I am going to submit my bill for the brava bra to my insurance since I have no other options but to do this.  From previous health issues I cannot do any of the convential reconstruction.  So here I go

    6/07/2012    I took the bra off this evening and I have little puffs (for lack of a better description) where my boobs once were. Yea.......And I had no discomfort today. Only thing is that because I have lots of peaks and valleys with no boobs, there were times that the cup lost suction and I had to reapply it. Not a big problem however.

  • EileenKaye1
    EileenKaye1 Member Posts: 469
    edited June 2012

    good to hear you are doing so well with the Brava.  I do believe that it can make a big difference--but my tissues become extremely irritated every time I try Brava.  Will try again, with suggestions from Darlene and the fatgrafting website..  Eileen

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    clb052975,



    So glad you are going to fat grafting route! I love my results so far. I would guess, without trying on a bra, that I am a small B. I had some fat grafting at the time of my masectomy and another graft 2 weeks ago. The recovery for me, after the second surgery, was so easy. I was off of pain medication and up and around by day 3.
    The breast swelling is so encouraging, isn't it????

    I will be sending you a PM.

  • faithhopenluv
    faithhopenluv Member Posts: 323
    edited June 2012

    clb052975 - great to hear!  I have surgery 6/14 so I am a few weeks behind you.  I will greatly appreciate haring your experience.  Eileen - my skin tends to be very sensitive so I am hopeful that I tolerate it well.  Do either of you wear it while sleeping?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012
    faithhopenluv

    I wear my BRAVA while sleeping. I have 2 pillows behind my head, a body pillow on each side and a pillow under my knees.



    I will PM you.

  • EileenKaye1
    EileenKaye1 Member Posts: 469
    edited June 2012

    I've had problems sleeping--as I can feel my tissue irritation.  At this point--no problems sleeping on my back-

    I definitely cannot go to work without a good nite's sleep.  This is one of the issues I am trying to work out.

    Hoping I can--but am not sure.  Will keep trying.  Eileen

  • EileenKaye1
    EileenKaye1 Member Posts: 469
    edited June 2012

    I've had problems sleeping--as I can feel my tissue irritation.  At this point--no problems sleeping on my back-

    I definitely cannot go to work without a good nite's sleep.  This is one of the issues I am trying to work out.

    Hoping I can--but am not sure.  Will keep trying.  Eileen

  • faithhopenluv
    faithhopenluv Member Posts: 323
    edited June 2012

    thanks lizdehart! i adopted the pillow pocket sleeping method after my lumpectomy.  It actually helps me sleep now when I'm restless.

  • clb052975
    clb052975 Member Posts: 47
    edited June 2012

    I am lucky that I am retired and so I am doing the pumping during the day.  I have some issues with the pump not alerting me when it deflates and I will be calling the brava people to let them know.  So far I am on day 2 and other than the fact I am bumping into things now that I have a chest, I don't seem to be having any issues.  I will blog more this evening after I finish day two.  I will say one thing.....so far this is so much easier than expanders. 

  • clb052975
    clb052975 Member Posts: 47
    edited June 2012

    Actually I meant that the bra does not hurt as much as the expanders did.

  • clb052975
    clb052975 Member Posts: 47
    edited June 2012

    Day 2

    6/08/2012 Good day pumping. I have discovered however, that when the weather is warm and you are using the Brava after a mastectomy the seal can and does break easily. If your skin is bumpy then any movement can break the seal as you perspire. I only got in 9 hours because the seal was breaking up as I got warmer. Tomorrow I will start pumping earlier. Possibly later this week I will try pumping at night. 

  • kriserts
    kriserts Member Posts: 224
    edited June 2012

    hey CLB52975, I really am eager to read about your progress, as I'm going to be doing the Brava in the fall. Maybe you should consider starting a new topic? You could call it your "fat grafting diary" or something. If you start a new topic, then your diary won't get mixed up with all the other fat grafting questions here and it will be easier to follow. Just an idea.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited June 2012

    My final reconstructive surgery is July 31st with fat grafting that is suppose to go around the implant. Right now the implant is bigger than I wanted so I have to have a implant put in the good breast to make me somewhat even. I hate the idea of another implant. Plus, the implant around the edges bother me. I feel like I'm wearing under my skin a fake boob or bra. It is very sensitive under my right arm. Will the fat grafting take away the uncomfortable feeling of the edges of the implant?

    How long does it take for the lipo suction to heal up. Will my tummy be bruised for awhile? Do you have to be on pain meds for the lipo? I'm sensitive to pain and don't want to get into a pain syndrome.

    I would like to have the implant removed for a smaller one, but not sure my insurance would pay to have it redone. From what I've read that small implants with fg around them feel almost like normal breast. I'm perplexed. I hate the idea of feeling the ridges of my implant forever. And at my age who wants big round boobs that belong on someone from Hollywood or a twenty year old girl.

    I want to go in for a second opinion before surgery. I would like to see what another plastic surgeon says before the final thing is all said and done. I fear once it's all done, I won't be able to go back and redo it.

    I am soooo glad I kept my left breast. It feels so light, soft and normal. I like how it looks.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    evebarry- I had about 150 cc's of fat added and it did cover the edges of the implants.  I can no longer feel them under my skin.  I also could feel the coldness of the implants before and that's gone, too.  If you're truly unhappy with the size I would take care of it now and swap to a smaller one.  Insurance has to cover it (play up your discomfort) just like they do with your original recon.  Federal Law says they have to cover it to make the reconstructed breast symmetrical with the natural breast, too, so that will also work in your favor.  Your PS was supposed to match your reconstructed breast with your natural one.  (Not sure why he made it bigger.)  If the recon one is bigger this isn't symmetrical.  I think the longer you wait the more your pecs are stretched, too.  If you decide down the road to go smaller, or remove it all together, it will be much harder for your pecs to be restored (in my opinion).  

    If you're sensitive to pain you will probably find the lipo pretty painful.  I'm not going to lie to you- most find the first couple of days or week pretty awful.  I personally found it much more painful than the MX.  The problem is you end up really bruised and they take it from areas of your body you use a lot- hips, stomach and legs- so every movement is going to hurt.  The good news is it is short lived.  You may be bruised for awhile but the intense pain some of us have gets better with each day.  I was on pain meds for about a week or ten days and, yes, you will definitely want some.  Wearing compression garments helps a lot and the sooner you can be active (walking) the sooner the pain goes away.  And the pain is like childbirth- I've already forgotten how bad it was.  lol!  I think the fat grafting is definitely worth it in how much more natural everything feels.  I would recommend you get a second opinion.  It couldn't hurt and you may find you want to do a different direction than what your PS is recommending.

  • kriserts
    kriserts Member Posts: 224
    edited June 2012

    I'll chime in ... I'm doing fat grafting with the hopes of eventually removing the implant. This surgery, the doctor swapped my old implant to a smaller one, and fat grafted around it. It feels better, although last week (5 weeks out from surgery) the old burning feeling came back and really wore me out. (I do a lot of computer work, so sometimes I wonder if it's related to how I'm holding my shoulder.) So for me, I'd say there's some improvement, not total. I was on vicodin for the painful implant prior to surgery; I've taken it maybe once since surgery. 

    I didn't find the lipo very painful at all. 5 weeks out I'm a little sore--I ran for the bus the other day and felt it in my legs, and today I did my first bike ride, 2 hours, and I felt soreness in the lipo places as I rode. But my overall experience was a lot better than Kate's, I didn't need many pain killers for the lipo, certainly not a week's worth. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    I have to say the lipo, FOR ME, was much less painful then the mastectomy.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited June 2012

    Kate...thank you, and thank you! What you said helps a lot. It is good to know that fat grafting helps with pain on the edges. The exchange was in March. I had hope after a little time the uncomfortable feelings would go away. It feels strange every time I move my right arm...even when driving. I am going to get a second opinion. My plastic surgeon said my implant is small. Or there smaller size B or A implants.

    Thanks also in regard to the whole lipo suction. I' have a small tummy. I have nothing to lose on my legs or hips. So my tummy is the fat I'll use. I'll stay in the hospital one night to manage pain. I have the week off so it should be easy recovery.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    evebarry- I might have misunderstood your last post about the edges of the implant.  I thought you were saying you could feel the edges under the skin (as in with your hands).  This was one thing that bothered me- that pastic feeling under the skin.  And fat grafting was great for that.  It sounds like you might be having something else going on, though.  Since it's happening when you move your arm I would guess it's either your pec muscle is tight and pulling on the implant or it's scar tissue.  Both can be improved with PT.  Swapping your implant for a smaller one will relieve the pressure but I found in my case the pec just tightened up again.  If it's scar tissue ask your PS if they will address that during surgery if they find it.  They can remove it.  There's a chance it would come back but so if you go that route you may want to look into PT as soon as you're cleared to do so.

    As far as the lipo I've come to realize there are different types out there and some are more painful than others.  A PS's own technique will also effect how bruised you are so how much pain you'll be in.  And it can be more painful on thinner women as they try to extract as much fat as possible the muscles get pretty bruised.  So everyone is different in the lipo experience.  No way of knowing what yours will be.  

    I'd like to learn more about the different types of lipo so patients would know to ask which one their PS does.  Anyone out there know much about this?  And is one kind better than another as far as stem cells?  

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited June 2012

    Thanks. I could probably live with the implant I have if the fat grafting soften the edges of it. Right now it's just uncomfortable. Did any of you go home after the fg or stay in the hospital for a night. At this point I am scheduled to spend one night in the hospital. I just want to make sure the pain thing is under control. Also how many of you had a reconstructed nipple? How long did it take to heal? I fear it won't take.

    From what I read about fat grafting there is the grid micro drop fg and then there is inserting fg where ever. I read that when fg is just inserted (without the grip approach) that there is likely of it gumping together and microcalifications. I just hope the surgeon I have is the one who does the micro. I asked and he said with a note of scarcasm, I know everything. I didn't think he liked me questioning him. He just wants me to trust him. I hear he is a artist when it comes to breast reconstruction. But, I want to know before hand what exactly they are doing. I want some say in it.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    I can not post the link but the article is "Stem Cells in aesthetic surgery promising but marketing claims are too far ahead of the science"

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited June 2012

    Thanks. I could probably live with the implant I have if the fat grafting soften the edges of it. Right now it's just uncomfortable. Did any of you go home after the fg or stay in the hospital for a night. At this point I am scheduled to spend one night in the hospital. I just want to make sure the pain thing is under control. Also how many of you had a reconstructed nipple? How long did it take to heal? I fear it won't take.

    From what I read about fat grafting there is the grid micro drop fg and then there is inserting fg where ever. I read that when fg is just inserted (without the grip approach) that there is likely of it gumping together and microcalifications. I just hope the surgeon I have is the one who does the micro. I asked and he said with a note of scarcasm, I know everything. I didn't think he liked me questioning him. He just wants me to trust him. I hear he is a artist when it comes to breast reconstruction. But, I want to know before hand what exactly they are doing. I want some say in it.

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