ER+ ladies, what do you eat?

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  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2012

    I have always believed in "moderation" and I've only made a few adjustments to my diet post-cancer.  I've cut back on coffee and processed foods, and have decreased my alcohol intake to a glass of wine every-so-often.  Otherwise, I eat anything I like - in moderation - even hummus!  I love all vegetables (except squash) and fruits, so I don't have a problem meeting the daily requirements. 

  • dancetrancer
    dancetrancer Member Posts: 4,039
    edited August 2012

    Hello ladies!

    I wanted to see what you all thought of this product that uses mycoprotein for the protein source.  It is soy-free.   I'm trying to find some quick foods we can heat up that are relatively healthy (is that possible, LOL?).  We are semivegetarian and not being able to have soy burgers, etc. makes life more challenging.

    Quorn products 

  • A_FIGHTER
    A_FIGHTER Member Posts: 109
    edited September 2012

    Morning Ladies,

    Love my SUPERFOODS Laughing

    * Spirulina

    * Chlorella

    * Cacao

    * Goji Berries

    * Chia Seeds

    I add these to my Shakes/Smoothies!

    I believe my Nutritional Shakes are what helped me do so well through my treatment! I was NEVER sick and worked out every day Laughing

    Here is a Hummus recipe w/out Tahini mideastfood.about.com/od/dipsandsauces/r/hummustahini.htm. Also, if you do a search (Hummus w/out Tahini) A LOT more recipes will show up. 

    Enjoy your day! 

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited September 2012

    Hi Fighter, what is spirulina all about? I have seen it a few places around here, but wasn't sure what it was.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited September 2012
  • Cottontail
    Cottontail Member Posts: 374
    edited February 2013

    I don't understand the focus on soy as a food not to eat. The reason I see cited the most on soy avoidance is because it "has phytoestrogens."



    However, MANY foods contain phytoestrogens. Other beans (lentils, navy, pinto, chickpeas); seeds and nuts (sunflower seeds, pistachios, walnuts, cashews); veggies (squash, green beans, broccoli, cabbage, asparagus, bok choy, carrots, potatoes, zucchini); fruits (plums, peaches, raspberries, strawberries); and grains (wheat, rye, oats, brown rice). That's not even a full list! I never see any of these listed to avoid because of phytoestrogens; in fact many of them are frequently on the "do eat" lists.



    What gives?


    I think avoiding dairy is much more important. It's a fact that only pregnant cows, and those who has just given birth, give milk, and they have higher hormone levels in their bodies at those times, even the ones that aren't actively injected with extra hormones to unnaturally increase their milk production. The poor things are impregnated over and over to keep them producing milk. Plus, cow milk has all the nutrients needed to grow a calf into a very large animal in a short amount of time. Not exactly what I want to be putting in my body! From what I've read, populations with lower dairy consumption have lower incidences of cancers in general. (Plus lower rates of osteoporosis.)



    I'm gradually switching over to eating less processed foods, which will eliminate a lot of processed soy, but I don't plan on reducing my tofu or miso soup consumption. My MO told me soy is fine "in moderation," and did recommend tofu, soy milk, etc., over processed soy isolates, but then she told me to try tempeh as a "substitute for soy." Uh. Tempeh IS soy!



    Anyway, I'm vegetarian now, allergic to dairy proteins (whey), grossed out by eggs, and officially going vegan at the beginning of next year.





    Also, I wouldn't trust any info found on Natural News any farther than I could throw it. That site is notorious for posting unbacked info and misinformation.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited September 2012

    Cottontail, as far as I can understand soy has way, way more phytoestrogens than most other foods.

    It is still, apparently controversial whether ER+ patients should avoid large amounts of phytoestrogens. The majority seems to think that they should be avoided. A minority believes that phytoestrogens will "fill" the receptors and thus block the body's estrogen. What I do not understand in the latter argument is why phytoestrogens would be any better in that context than the body's own estrogen. Put another way, if estrogen is dangerous for us, why would it matter what the source is. 

  • Teedoff
    Teedoff Member Posts: 88
    edited September 2012

    I've never been much of a cook and probably have been eating all the wrong foods. I know I can do better and will make the effort. Your collective advice on this thread gives me a helpful starting point. I do have a question about sugar. Is it sugar itself that is bad or is it that sugar contributes to weight gain? My onc doesn't seem to be overly concerned about my diet as long as I keep my weight down. She's big on maintaining a low body mass index. BC has given us way too much to worry about.

  • Cottontail
    Cottontail Member Posts: 374
    edited February 2013

    Estrogen receptors are "selective," meaning they don't accept or use every estrogen molecule that comes along. There are two general types, ERa and ERb. These are found in different parts of the body. ERa bind preferentially to different estrogen molecules than ERb. (They will both bind to estradiol.)



    Think of those toys for kids that are a table with different shaped holes that you have to match up with the same shape of block. Only the circle block will go in the circle hole. But if you put the square block over the circle hole, it's blocked and then you can't put the circle block in the hole.



    If soy is just contraindicated because it's higher in phytoestrogens, wouldn't it also be contraindicated to eat large quantities of, say, prunes, broccoli or multi-grain bread? But I haven't seen that recommendation at all.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited September 2012

    Teedoff, it is not only sugar, but anything that will spike your blood sugar. The idea is to keep your blood sugar stable and preferably low as well. Doctors, however, are not yet all convinced and I am not sure where the studies/science stands on the matter.

    However, from what I can gather, it is a good idea to keep blood sugar stable anyway, and keeping to a low-glycemic diet is not bad for you.

    So, for me, that means severely limiting sugar, sweets, white bread, potatoes, pasta, white rice, alcohol etc.

    I may have a slice of cake or similar once every 2-3 months.  I have a glass of wine 1-3 times a week. I may have a few bites of potato or a small piece of white bread if I am out to dinner somewhere, but I do not keep it around the house. I also try to get in 1.5 hours of exercise every day.

  • Jennifer404
    Jennifer404 Member Posts: 151
    edited September 2012

    Hi all...I follow this thread and love the info...I am now passionate about my diet...I am a control freak snd since I can not control my cancer...I feel great that I can contribute to my families nutrition! And I love cookong so that helps. I heard a few comments regarding ingredients that I use quite a bit.

    I love using the Better than bouillon in a pot, with two or three baby bok choy heads, half a box of buckwheat soba noodles, shredded carrots (gotta hide them from the kids:) and straw mushrooms. Soooooo easy! Fills you up...even my husband the carnivore loves it!

  • Cottontail
    Cottontail Member Posts: 374
    edited February 2013

    Jennifer, thank you for sharing your soup recipe, that sounds really good! I will definitely try it. (I use the vegan flavors of Better Than Boullion in soups, it's fabulous, and so easy!)

  • Jennifer404
    Jennifer404 Member Posts: 151
    edited September 2012

    Cottontail- yes I love all of their flavors. I usually go with vegetable flavor (not vegan) since I noticed the vegan one had soy in it the last time I bought it. I know it is in debate...but, since I am her2+ I don't take that risk.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited September 2012

    Cottontail, it would seem that way. I really don't know much, just trying to sum up what I have seen around the web. From what I read it looked as if soy didn't just have twice or 3X the phytoestrogen of, say, whole grains, but more like 50X the amount. However, like I said, I am absolutely no expert.

    I also get the feeling that no real studies have been done. Most of the diet recommendations seem to be based on correlations found in large studies, which is always pretty dicey.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited September 2012

    Fighter:  I can't live without my green smoothie every morning.  It alkalizes my body and detoxes me for the day.  I add some protein powder and vitamin C to it and I'm good to go!  It made with romaine, fresh kale, other green veggies (whatever is available) add some strawberries for flavor, the protein powder and Vit C and mix it up in the Vita Mix blender.  I usually have enough for two days, which I keep in an airtight container.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited September 2012

    Here is BCO's take on soy:

    http://www.breastcancer.org/tips/nutrition/reduce_risk/foods/soy.jsp

    Also, a blurb on soy from food versus soy from supplements.  I have heard that the soy from food is far less harmful (and depending on what you read, potentially beneficial) than the soy from supplemtation.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18602820

  • Teedoff
    Teedoff Member Posts: 88
    edited September 2012

    Momine, what you said about sugar and keeping things level makes sense to me. Thankfully, I don't have a wicked sweet tooth. Increasing my chances of survival trumps cake. Appreciate the good advice!

  • A_FIGHTER
    A_FIGHTER Member Posts: 109
    edited September 2012

    Kaara,

    I can't live without my shakes either! I use a shake that is an undenatured protein blend sourced exclusively from grass-fed dairy cows not treated with hormones or antibiotics and raised on the pristine pastures of New Zealand. Laughing No fillers, preservatives, etc...Then I add in my other goodies, Superfoods!

    I read your previous post: I eat cage-free, organic, hormone/antibiotic/steroid free eggs (usually just the whites). As for chicken - organic, cage-free, hormone/antibiotic/steroid free as well and no water/saline in package. Once in a GREAT while I may have red meat and this is grass-fed organic beef. I will eat Salmon, but ONLY wild caught not farm-raised. As for canned products - VERY limited, when I do it is usually beans (organic, BPA, and Non-GMO) and I rinse the beans. As for fruits and veggies, I belong to an organic produce buying club.  

  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited September 2012

    Re: soy    the first words out of my Breast Surgeon's mouth after I was diagnosed with Stage 3 Triple Positive cancer were:   Do not eat any soy protein isolate...she then said it was okay to eat in moderation "real soy" like soy beans, tofu, etc., but not the manufactured forms of soy like soy protein isolate.

    One thing my breast surgeon did know:  Before I was diagnosed, for 5 years previously I drank over 6,000 soy protein isolate shakes as a dietary supplement!  Lost a lot of weight, but never will know what connection it had to my cancer diagnosis.   

  • Cottontail
    Cottontail Member Posts: 374
    edited February 2013

    That sounds like the most reasonable advice to me, Denise.



    I've seen the study showing that Japanese women eating a traditional diet (more soy, less meat, little to no dairy) have lower rates of breast cancer than women eating a traditional Western diet (lots of meat, lots of dairy, processed convenience foods). Those Japanese women were consuming their soy as tofu, miso, tempeh, etc, NOT as soy isolates added to processed products.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited September 2012

    Cootontail, Japanese women also eat a lot of seaweed in various forms, drink green tea probably, eat pickles etc. They may also have a genetic advantage that protects them against breast cancer, or they may be slimmer on average or, or, or ... That is what I find so frustrating with correlations.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited September 2012

    Unfortunately for the Japanese they have a lower incidence of breast cancer but one of the highest rates of gastric (stomach) cancer in the world.  One in three deaths in Japan is due to this type of cancer - this is thought to be the case because their diet is high in salt, nitrates, pickling agents, raw and undercooked foods, and smoked foods.

  • Cottontail
    Cottontail Member Posts: 374
    edited February 2013

    Are those gastric cancer rates among Japanese who eat a traditional diet, or among those who eat a more modern diet? A lot of packaged Japanese convenience foods I've seen at the Asian market are filled with ingredients just as terrifying as those I see in American convenience foods. I would be willing to bet that people who eat a traditional diet eat few of those things.
    Additionally, fish available now is so unhealthy compared to fish available years ago. Bigger fish (salmon, tuna) have so much mercury, and farmed fish are pretty nutritionally devoid. It boggles my mind that anyone could recommend fish as a healthy alternative.

    I wonder if other populations who consume large amounts of pickled/smoked/raw flesh foods have similar rates of gastric cancers?

    I see people a lot of people online these days touting the benefits of pickled foods. I eat tons of pickles, they're so delicious!





    I'm pretty convinced that what is currently considered the Standard American Diet is pretty unhealthy. The obesity epidemic and skyrocketing disease rates in this country seem, to me, to back that up.



    Oh, and I love seaweed! Japanese seaweed salad, wakame in miso soup, nori around sushi rolls, dried (Korean) seaweed snacks... Yum! I've read that seaweed might help regulate thyroid function, and hypothyroidism runs in my family so I eat seaweed often.

  • Cottontail
    Cottontail Member Posts: 374
    edited February 2013

    Thank you for the links, SpecialK!



    I just skimmed them so far, but my initial thoughts are... Fortunately, I eat a fair amount of fresh fruits/veggies; since I don't eat meat at all, I avoid smoked meats; I do eat pickled foods (I would happily eat pickled beets every day!) but also take a vitamin C supplement. I do consume a lot of salt - I don't care for a lot of sweets, and prefer salty things, so I guess I should watch that. (My bp is always on the low end of normal.)



    It looks like H. pylori infection is a huge factor in their high stomach cancer rate, too.



  • marianelizabeth
    marianelizabeth Member Posts: 1,735
    edited September 2012

    My BS told me on Friday pre op that though cancer rates were higher in China decades ago (and other Asian countries) now they are increasing as the general population can afford more meat and vegetable oils too. Her advice pre op (I had to wait several weeks) was drop the meat (including chicken and fish), the alcohol, limit cheese again due to oils. I asked a good friend who is an oncolgist about her recommendations and he advised moderation in those things but drop the simple sugars too as much as possible. I did look up soya and flax in Sr. Susan Love's Breat Book today and she says stay away from soy supplements but not soy naturally as has been said more than once on this thread! 

    Enough info for one day, but moderation is going to be my nutrition mantra.

    Marian 

  • Scottiee1
    Scottiee1 Member Posts: 2,329
    edited September 2012

    Hi Ladies: Just popping in to share something my friend heard today about green tea.

    Some "cancer expert" on a programme about BC said if you add a squeeze of lemon

    you multiply its effect by a whole lot ( she couldn't remember the %...sorry) Since green tea is supposed to be good for us and I try to drink three cups a day, I will certainly be adding that squeeze, it can't hurt.

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited September 2012

    Just responding to the topic sentence....I eat whatever my little heart desires...tonight I had yummy, yummy tofu stir fry!!!  I eat edamane (sp) too...drink red wine!!!!  

  • Tazzy
    Tazzy Member Posts: 2,546
    edited October 2012

    Just found this thread.  My dietitian told me 'everything is OK in moderation'.   I do not want to give up red wine, or a steak, or edamane beans... and karen nice to see you are a 6 year survivor on that.   If we give up everything we like we may not live longer but it will sure seem like it.

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