What is the experience of the surgery for mastectomy?
I have to decide shortly on if I should get a single or double mastectomy or just a second lumpectomy.
I have to do another lumpectomy to get clear margins. So it is surgery no matter what. Mastectomy would preclude rads and maybe hormonal treatment too. I have to find out about that.
Is the surgery hard to get through? It is painful? How long before you are up and about? I know drains are in for a couple of weeks. What was your experience?
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I had umx without recon. I was out of the hospital the following morning. I took one painkiller after that. Needed no more. Walked down the street on day 2. Was walking 3 miles a week after. Ran an easy light run 3 weeks after. Normal exercise routine about 6 weeks out. Back at work 3.5 weeks after (though I think this was too soon). Continued to feel easily fatigued for several months. Able to wear silicone prosthetic 6 weeks after. Oh...drains...one out on day 5, the other on day 10. Hated the drains. Glad to have them out. Not painful, but annoying. Rather than pain, my experience was feeling like my body wasn't my own anymore. I couldn't just roll over in my sleep. I couldn't just reach up over my head. It took a while and I was grateful to reclaim ownership of my left side.
I did physical therapy starting on week 2. That was the smartest thing I could have done. I increased my range of motion much more quickly and without incurring lymphedema.
I suspect this would have been radically different with bmx or with recon. I remember thinking that it was good that I had only a umx because I was much more capable immediately after surgery because I had my right side to rely on.
Wishing you all the best with your choices and surgery...
Claire
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Thanks for that. No recon for me either.
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I had BMX no recon for DCIS. I went home the same day as the surgery. I did have a fair amount of discomfort because the DCIS side didn't drain properly, but I am now fine and very pleased with my decision. I am back to all the activities I did before the surgery and feeling really really good.
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It will depend on a lot of things......your age, your health, are you having reconstruction immediately. I am eight weeks post-op BMX with immediate reconstruction. I am young (43), in good shape without any other health issues. I thought (before surgery) that I didn't tolerate pain well. More like, I had never really had surgery, a broken bone, or a stitch, so I didn't know what to expect as far as amount/severity of pain. Well, I got through it. It wasn't easy, but it also wasn't awful for me. I feel like a turned a corner at three weeks and then again at five weeks, as far as pain subsiding and my physical abilities. The pain med really only took the "edge" off my pain, Took Percocet home with me and used them sparingly along with Tylenol. The drains were a pain. I only had mine for less than 10 days, which was great. Others have to keep them in much longer. Depends on your output. Again, there are a lot of variables. I have a girlfriend who just the procedure done and she is not faring so well.......still has drains after three weeks, can't seem to get her pain under control. Everyone is different.......
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I had bilateral mastectomy, no recon, and was in the hospital for 24 hours total. The only bad part for me was brief nausea from the anesthesia when I came to. Otherwise I had no pain at all. The drains were a nuisance, but came out after a week. I have a regular yoga practice and was able to return to full use of arms within two weeks. I had three visits with a physical therapist as a preventive measure against lymphedema but never developed any symptoms even though I'd had radiation and a full axillary dissection. It really wasn't bad.
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I had a left side mastectomy with no recon also. Had surgery in the morning and was home in my own kitchen fixing myself a glass of iced tea by 3:00 pm. (Before anybody screams about drive through mastectomies ... it was my choice to come home ... they would have let me stay overnight but I saw no need to do that. I felt good the minute I woke back up) The pain pills gave me stomach issues but I was able to stop them and just use Tylenol as soon as I realized they were what was causing my problem.
I also found myself very functional almost immediately because I could use my right arm freely. I could use my left arm and hand as long as it was kept at waist level and got my range of motion back quickly.
I had the drain for about 10 days and it was annoying but not painful.
Which is not to encourage anybody to have a mast if you don't want or need to. Just saying that the surgery is not a horrible one to be feared and can also be a good choice. If you do recon of any kind that is a lot more complicated and a whole different experience no doubt.
Good luck with whatever you decide!
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I am thanking everyone here. It is really helpful. I am in really good health, exercise every day on Schwinn AirDyne, don't have a pain in my body and I am 76 years old. No reconstruction for me either. Cut 'er off and git 'er done.
Like everyone else, I just want to resume my normal life. I was kind of enjoying it, until this thing. Hormones are another thing too. If they give me headaches, bone and joint pain, and all the other horrids, I want to find a way out of that.
I had both knees replaced going on 4 years ago and it was the best thing I have ever done. It is why I can be so active. But I do tolerate surgery OK and I am thinking hard about this.
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Thanks. Good to hear this.
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Don't you think exercise is the panacea for most everything? I hate it and think it is boring but the payoff is so great. When something like this comes along, at least your cardio/vascular is in as good a shape as it can be.
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Wow, everyone is so different. I am 60 and had UMX. I agree with wild rumuara. I was pretty uncomfortable and turned a corner at 3 weeks. Each week got better and after 6 weeks felt ok. I have TEs so I think a lot of the discomfort was from the TEs sitting on my rib cage with a seroma (fluid buildup) on top of it. I took pain pills pretty much every 4 hours and I couple of times took 3 to get some relief (much to the chagrin of my PS). Not excruciating pain, but just an ache. Also the nerve endings under the armpit from lymph node removal was very uncomfortable. Also I might add that I take pain pills quite regularly for arthritis pain and I think I have built up an intolerance to it. I am going to see a pain management specialist soon.
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I would probably the one to come home too. Don't want to miss my TV shows.
The first night I was home from having knee repalcement (two nights in hospital), I walked up the stairs to bed and was only a little bit of an invalid while healing. We really recover so much faster when out of the hospital. Less exposure to those MERSA germs too.
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Wow, Mooleen. They stripped those nodes and only Stage 0. No wonder you had trouble. From what I read, that is the most troublesome part.
(what is a TE again?) Did you have a plastic surgeon? Recon? Your's sounds more complicated that what I usually see. I think some surgeons don't have a whole lot of empathy.
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I had a uni MX without recon after a lumpectomy and a re-excision for better margins. I was able to escape radiation because we finally got clear margins. I am on the anastrasole but have not had bad side effects. I'm 71 and it wasn't a big ordeal. I had the sentinal node removal with the first lumpectomy, so recovery from the MX was easy. Glad to hear that someone else thinks exercise is incredibly boring.
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Hi Infobabe,
In addition to the experiences the ladies here have shared, there's some great info on the main Breastcancer.org site on Mastectomy: What to Expect.
Hope you find this helpful!
--The Mods
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Moderator, I will look that up. I love hearing from these women though.
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Infobabe, Yes, I'm a big believer in the physical AND psychological benefits of exercise. It really helps you to have a different relationship with your body, one based on function rather than form!
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I never heard of that anastrasole.
This whole hormone thing has me very concerned as it seems to do more harm than good. We all want quality of life. Did you ever get the oncotype testing? I have not yet but I will be asking for it. Sometimes I do wonder how up to date our doctors are.
Also, I started exrcising 15 years ago when diognosed with Type 2 diabetes. I walked about 3 miles a day. Boring and in Michigan not do-able in the winter. That is when I got the bike. No health club, do it at home. I have a TV with shows I have recorded, so I am entetained.
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I had a UMX with no recon. Recon was not an option at the time of surgery because I'm IBC - it's 2+ yrs since and am quite satisfied with myself - I may look into it someday but maybe not. I've been very healthy (and active) all my life - 2 C-sections are the only times I've been hospitalized before MX.
Was in the hospital overnight. (Totally irrelevant but was a shock to me - they let me WALK out of the hospital! When sons were born 30+ yrs before I had to be pushed out in a wheelchair over a week after but that was in a Navy Hospital - I had a Mod. Rad. Mast. the day before and I was allowed to walk out WOW!)
I really can't say I had any pain - discomfort yes but not pain. We all have different pain thresholds and handle it differently. I had very little loss of ROM - could put on my pullover turtleneck with no problems when leaving the hospital. Son picked me up and on the way home we stopped at the Humane Society to see the B&T Hound Hubby had gotten the day before (he and Son went there to see her as I had seen her the day before surgery so I sent them off to see her once I was in my room. She had to stay til spayed and Hubby brought her home that night. There were a few times that I did take Vicodin -OTC tylenol probably would have done enough but it made sense to me to go ahead and stop any discomfort before it got to being pain.
Within a few days I was back riding - I will admit that I rode the 'baby/husband sitters' and not mine for a while as she can be a bit of a challenge at times.
One of m drains was in for 2 weeks - the other for 4 weeks but should have been in longer. At 4 weeks Surgeon thought that it was causing irritation which was why were still getting a fair bit of drainage so he took it out. Perhaps he was right and it was causing the drainage but with it out I developed a fairly large seroma. That's only a memory now.
I'll be 66 next month - I am as active as I ever was. I do get tired a bit easier than I used to but I'm almost 3 years older so -that's life. I do anything and everything I want to. -
Your post is encouraging. You even stopped by the Humane Society to get a dog. Good move. I really think pets keep us smiling. I know they do us. Getting out to the dog park gets us outside in the sunshine. Found out yesterday that the genome for our yellow lab is about half hunting and half mastiff. I believe that. He really has the gladiator spirit in him.
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The worst part for me was the constipation following sx. And since your not having the torture expanders like me i think it should be easy. There is a constipation thread here somewhere as i am not the expert on that
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I am so sorry that I can not report that my particular experience went smoothly. I awoke in terrible, terrible pain and have had since 1/11/11 (although it finally starting to subside). I spent two nights in the hospital.I had no idea that the amount of pain I was in was NOT normal, since my breast surgeon never fully prepared me for it. She did mention nicking nerves during the sentinel node biopsy (I later learned during the pathology report she took an axillary node as well), but never told me exactly what it would feel like.
I had developed deep and wide scar tissue adhesions that took 6 months of myofascial release to get rid of.I did all the stretches the surgeon told me to when I was healed enough. Sixteen months later, I still have problems with scar tissue.
I have severe post mastectomy pain syndrome. I have been seeing a pain clinic for medications, stillette ganglion shots, lidocaine IV infusions, and a counselor for living with chronic pain. I am better than I was a year ago, but the pain still limits how much and what activities I do. Sometimes the seatbelt still feels like sandpaper on the chest, sometimes I can't get my own seatbelt, sometimes I have to walk to the dog in a sling... It is a continual learning process of how much I can do in a day.
I did not know about the discussion boards here and the American Cancer Society when I was first diagnosed in 12/2010. But it took a call to the American Cancer Society to ask for information about breast cancer and other questions. The gentle lady asked me if there was anything else...That is how I found out about post mastectomy pain syndrome.
Maybe for the most part, mastectomies go well, but there are those of us, who had a different, painful experience. You never know with any health treatment what side effects you are going to get. I wished I had some idea what this was really like before my surgery.
Oh, as far as drains, there is no way to predict how long anyone will have them in for. I have seen posts about women thinking about limiting activity levels to try and get drain levels down so they get them out sooner. Personally, I think that is a bad idea. If you do that, get the drains out too soon, all that fluid could build up in the chest area, rather than be drained out.
My surgeon released the pressure before pulling them out. She said if she didn't, their would still be suction and would cause pain from the drain pulling on tissues when pulled out. Having them removed for me was like tweezing an eyebrow lash.
I wish your surgical team good skills and you a fast recovery with no side effects.
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Infobabe -
I don't know what I/we would do without our 4 legged kids. Hubby lost his Little Girl (dog) to cvancer very shortly after I was DX'd so was very hard on him. He wanted to get some kind of a Coon Hound and had been searching all over the internet as he didn't want a puppy but an adult but wasn't having any luck. I drive past the HS often but basically never go in because it breaks my heart. The day before surgery 'something' told me to stop - there was a B&T in there. So after I was in room after surgery I sent him and Son off (didn't want him sitting there worrying). Son did get him to go to HS and he got her but she had to be spayed before he could bring her home. Ran into the guy who had taken her in and got her papers from him - he had taken her in because she 'won't hunt' which is fine - all Hubby wants is a 'recliner baby' and companion. I had a very old Gordon Setter (from HS 11 yrs before), Hubby was working on the Rez and found a Corgi in a snowbank about 1 1/2 yrs ago and brought home - never wanted/thought about a Corgi (love Setters) but she needed a home so she's my girl now. -
infobabe,
I'm very sorry for what cinnamonsmiles has gone through with post mastectomy pain syndrome (and I'm so sorry she's still going through it), but please know that it's not the norm. As you can tell, most of us (me included) who had a mastectomy without reconstruction experienced very little pain. For me, as well as for many other women, the drains were the worst part, and they were more of a nuisance than really painful.
Just to clarify some things that may have been misunderstood. Even with Stage 0 breast cancer, one or a few lymph nodes are usually removed. This is called a sentinel node biopsy (SNB). These are axillary nodes, but rather than removing a large number of them only one or very few are taken out.
infobabe, you may not have heard of anastrazole but you've probably heard of Arimidex, which is the brand name for anastrazole and is one of the two most commonly-prescribed hormonals.
Also, fredntan mentioned constipation. That's usually a result of narcotic painkillers like vicodan or percoset. Fredntan also said that she had expanders (which is the first step in implant reconstruction). She herself said those were "torture" and I suspect that she had to take painkillers for that, which probably caused a lot of the constipation problem. Since a simple mastectomy usually isn't very painful, you hopefully wouldn't need many painkillers, so constipation shouldn't be a big problem.
Also, other than cinnamonsmiles, you might note that everyone else who has posted so far about experiencing a lot of pain after mastectomy (fredntan, wildrumara, and mooleen) had immediate reconstruction. Generally, a simple mastectomy is less painful that a mastectomy along with immediate reconstruction.
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55 years old here, had Mastectomy of Left Breast. Was hospitalized 24 hours. Walked all over the hospital for most of the evening, answered email, talked to all the nurses, etc. At home, got lax on pain meds - suffered for it. Take the pain meds!
I recovered very quickly. I started doing mobility exercises 2 days after surgery. Had complete mobility back very soon.
Honestly, when I had my port put in for Chemo, it hurt worse than the Mastectomy. But everyone certainly is different.
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Erica -
For us older, post-menopause the AI of choice is often Femara/letrozole. At least that's what I was told/put on it being 18 yrs post-meno when DX'd. The only concern that Dr. T had was that at that time time, Femara wasn't generic so quite costly. If VA would not supply it then we'd have done something different but they did so I'v e been on Femara/letrozole for 2+ yrs. -
That is a daunting tale. I shouldn’t be so cavalier about this decision. It does make you wonder if your surgeon did a good job. They won't tell you.
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You are a girl after my own heart.
Our boy, Brady was a stray in town about a year ago. He passed through the hands of several families, no one wanted to send him to the pound but couldn't keep him either. He is 90 to 100 pounds depending on much food he is sneaking.
Anyway, I heard about him and he is our dog now. He is a georgeous yellow lab and obviously pure bred. The good thing about adopting grown dogs (He is aobut 2 or 3) is that his chewing up days are over and he is housebroken. Just by luck, he is obedience trained too. I would post a picture but this site won't upload my pictures.
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Erica, if taking nodes is routine with a mastectomy, then that is about reason for me not to have the operation. My husband wants the most conservative 5 week rads after the 2nd lumpectomy. I suppose I can always go back for the full mastectomy if needs be in the future. It all sucks.
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Infobabe,
If you have the choice of just a lumpectomy and rads, I think I'd go for it. You will have your body back in the form you're accustomed to, and your recovery will be much faster.
I choose the single mastectomy four years ago because I just wanted it out, was afraid of radiation, and mistakenly believed that my chances of recurrance would be less with the mast. Well, local recurrance chances are a bit less, but distant makes no difference. Here I am with bone mets.
Don't be afraid of the rads. They really aren't bad at all. I had 15 on my back for my mets and was surprised how easy it was. Also, the docs don't make a decision on the hormonal drugs based on whether or not you had a lumpectomy or mastectomy. It all depends on the biology of the cancer and whether it would keep it at bay or not.
Good luck with your decision. I don't really regret my decision (I would probably be blaming my recurrance on not getting the mastectomy if I had chosen the lumpectomy) but I don't think it was a piece of cake. It's major surgery, and it will take a while to recover, and there may always be some residual nerve pain, and your chest may be numb. Mine still is, 4 years later. I also have nerve pain that shoots through my chest at times. My onc said this is not uncommon with women who have had mastectomies.
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