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including personality disorders, who get bc, bring their psychological disorder into the mix of bc treatment. I've observed a lot of this going on since I got my dx and joined the board. Please try to keep in mind that some posts may go far beyond dealing with bc. Just MHO as a psychologist.

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  • Lulubelle
    Lulubelle Member Posts: 54
    edited May 2012

    "Attention driven threads"..."Irrational Rants"? Please don't tell me you are a mental health professional judging and kicking people while they are down with a life threatening illness. Wow.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited May 2012

    So this means that people without mental illness do not engage in "attention-driven threads" and "irrational rants," presumably. What is this thread, then?

    And how much do you charge for these pearls of wisdom?

    Never had much time for discussion board (armchair) diagnoses. I'd never consult anyone but an MD myself.

    Great pleace to post this, yorkiemom. Where people --many with mental illness thanks to BC-- are hoping to feel more comfortable. Don't think I'd refer anyone to you, sorry.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited May 2012

    Athena, I'm retired so not seeking patients. I do believe that when mental illness is in the mix with bc, more intervention needs to be done. "Attention seeking" means a cry for help. However, it is sometimes a cry for help which extends far beyond just the bc dx. Just saying. I do think people need to be totally compassionate with ALL sisters and brothers with bc. But sometimes addressing the mental illness issues will help as much or more than just talking bc treatment.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited May 2012

    Not judging or kicking anybody with the disease which I have. I think some people need a lot more psychological support than others.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited May 2012

    What are you really trying to say? Who annoyed you with a post that makes you think they are men

    tally ill? What upset you and why?

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited May 2012

    yorkiemom....What is your point?

    I suffer from Depression and Anxiety.....Are you saying we are asking for attention/

    Do you know how it feels to be depressed?

     You shouldn't be  criticising them

    Sheila

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited May 2012

    Nobody annoyed me. I have been reading posts that have caught my attention as a professional for many months now. I just hope that people with psychological issues stemming from before their bc dx get the help they need from both the board and outside professionals. 

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited May 2012

    Sheila, I'm not criticizing anybody. I'm just saying that sometimes we need more than help with the physical aspects of this disease. That is especially true is one has a preexisting psychological condition. Why is that wrong to say?

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited May 2012

     What makes you think we are not getting help.!

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited May 2012

    Sometimes the threads and posts I read indicate otherwise. 

  • Lulubelle
    Lulubelle Member Posts: 54
    edited May 2012

    Amen. A point would be good. Are BC patients with pre-existing mental illness glomming together in a desperate pity party? Posting irrational theories? Most people desperately continue to address their mental needs along with the physical BC treatment.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited May 2012

    In your op you accuse people you believe may be suffering from such disorders of attention seeking and irrational behaviour. This is one reason why I don't trust non-doctors to speak of medical disorders. You have no idea of that person. He or she may be well adjusted but having a bad day or have mood/thought/personality SEs from cancer treatment.

    It is irresponsible to presume a differental dx with the huge comorbidities of cancer and cancer treatment present. Medical opinions should be given by qualified clinicians familiar with the full medical social and family hx of a person.







    /p>

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited May 2012

    Well said Athena. I am referring to long series of posts on threads. I feel that there are symptoms of underlying psychological issues which should be addressed along with the physical ones associated with bc. Obviously we on this board cannot address those issues professioally, but we should be aware that they are there and recommend people get help.

  • Lulubelle
    Lulubelle Member Posts: 54
    edited May 2012

    Well, I suggest if the threads and posts you read indicate otherwise, you should rephrase this post in a helpful manner, or reach out in a private message to those you observe to be in need.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited May 2012
    Ok, I just rephrased the OP. Smile
  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited May 2012

    Yorkiemom - when you put it that way I can agree. I think thete is a fairly keen awareness of emotional disturbance on this board. It comes across as an excess of perseveration. Or intense anger outbursts and abusive language. I've seen it on sone alt. And complementary threads and threads where controversial topics are discussed. I saw itrecently on st. IV. Not mental illness necessarily. Most severely ill people I know are careful in public. These are difficult people and their behavior is personality driven. At MOST Axis II. But we tend to overdiagnose in this country. BC almost always brings on some Axis I tendencies but those may br transient.

  • petjunkie
    petjunkie Member Posts: 317
    edited May 2012

    I don't understand why this is even a thread. If you see people on the boards that you think need additional help, you can suggest that to them through a PM. I can agree that sometimes people need more help than a BC support board can offer. Is that the point here? I really don't get it.

  • kcshreve
    kcshreve Member Posts: 1,148
    edited May 2012

    Yorkie - at some point you need to edit your OP.  I came to this discussion late and I find it very unclear.  From reading the responses, I get the idea of what you wrote. I have a sister with mental illness and BC.  The BC really made the bipolar more pronounced in many ways.  In my observation, the anxiety related to the BC diagnosis fueled a lot of the instability.  These boards offer reassurance, balanced information, and support, which can really help reduce that anxiety.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited May 2012

    I think it would be best if this thread were erased. I agree with petjunkie. I don't see the reason for it although I am glad yorkiemom edited her post. Still it comes across as either inflammatory or aimless. I don't like to be warned against.

    We ALL come as we are to Bco. One group's medical problems should not be highlighted over others.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited May 2012

    They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa.

    They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.

    To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be happy

    to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're coming

    to take me away, ha-haaa!!!

    To the happy home, with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket

    weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they're

    coming to take me away, ha-haa!!!

    To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time... (fade out)



  • lisagwa
    lisagwa Member Posts: 232
    edited May 2012

    Isn't this like anything else in life. If you don't like what you see (or read) then pass over it. People come here for support and knowledge relating to bc, whether emotional or physical. I agree with petjunkie, I don't understand why this is even a thread. (what do you do if you run into someone at the grocery store or another type of outing and their conversation is totally off track, do you call them on it or try to walk away. I think this is the same premise with these discussion boards.) basically, we are accountable only for ourselves.

  • Lulubelle
    Lulubelle Member Posts: 54
    edited May 2012

    This is a forum of thousands, and certain posts must not be ignored.

  • Cowgirl13
    Cowgirl13 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited May 2012

    Yorkiemom, i'm sorry but I find your comment off-putting, especially noting that you are a psychologist.   I've worked in mental health and bring none of that here.  Sounds to me like you are very frustrated with some of the goings on and maybe need to vent off-line.

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited May 2012

    Yorkiemom - in a way I get what you are saying.  I ended up in weekly counseling with a therapist for 2 years after dx.  I also had a mental breakdown about 1 year after dx.  If anything the BC brought out some issues that I didn't have before or were so buried deep inside of me that I didn't realize what was going on.

    I have anxiety issues now - I go through sensory overload so easily.  That never used to be a problem for me before.  I want to work but then I don't because I don't want to stress myself out and put too many responsibilities on myself as that is when I go into overload issues.  I can only plan 2 things to do daily and if I get to three things then I am doing well.

    I get too stressed out if I have 3 appointments in one day even if they are just fun things - it is the matter of I have to be somewhere at a certain time and if I get behind on the first item then I stress over it the rest of the day as I try to re-juggle my timing.

    Athena did bring out the point that sometimes we are just having bad days and that does come across in our posts.  We might get snarky because we are in a bad mood - none of it is intentional.

  • Ang7
    Ang7 Member Posts: 1,261
    edited May 2012

    Jancie~

    I can so relate to what you are saying...

    I am almost 3 years out from diagnosis and I cannot take having more than 2 or 3 things planned for each day.  With 4 kids this is very difficult to do.  I stress out way too easily now.  It is a shame to me that I was way more relaxed before diagnosis.  I will hopefully get that back with Yoga, time for myself etc.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Been reading Yorkiemom's posts for the past couple of months, you could have fooled me Surprised 

    I'm really glad I did not get to read your OP before you were asked to adjust and rephrase, this one is bad enough

  • edot
    edot Member Posts: 72
    edited May 2012

    Yeah, ok. People with mental illnesses get breast cancer, and mental illnesses can be exacerbated by breast cancer. Anxiety and depression can arise out of breast cancer. And, if you're a spouse/partner, caregiver, friend, you might be affected as well.



    So, be kind, be patient. Get help, or suggest that loved ones, friends, colleagues seek help and support. That can be really tough.



    Some people do really well with therapy, some with meds, some with diet, exercise, meditation.



    I think sometimes we're very quick to condemn treatments or ideas we don't agree with...or because it's the Internet everything is magnified. We're at different stages of treatment, recovery, life...and sometimes individuals are sensitive, vulnerable, raw.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

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  • Jejik
    Jejik Member Posts: 191
    edited May 2012

    Wow there are a couple of posts in this thread that I, as a person with a mental illness, find extremely

    Awful. Wow.

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