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  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited May 2012
    I have to say I miss seeing some of you in your avatars, now that many are guarding their privacy more.  I do think it is a good thing tho', which you probably have guessed since I have been a pink doggy for years now.
  • mommy4
    mommy4 Member Posts: 21
    edited May 2012

    Congrats on one year and I will say my prayers for sweet Julia.

  • LovesChristmas-Barb
    LovesChristmas-Barb Member Posts: 706
    edited May 2012

    Thank you elimar and mommy4....Julia is out of surgery now. It lasted over 10 hours. The doctors think they got it all...now we just hope and pray that God gave her a miracle. She had the HIPEC treatment where they put heated chemo directly into the abdominal cavity. It has lengthened people's lives for several years. We're hoping and praying for more!

  • midnight1327
    midnight1327 Member Posts: 1,475
    edited May 2012
    Thankyou for that i have found those abbreviations. i knew some  of them, but some i didn't, now i  know and know where to  look. (((( COOL ))))) thank you  lovely ladies. Smile
  • barsco1963
    barsco1963 Member Posts: 2,119
    edited May 2012

    Hi all - just trying to catch up. I haven't been here for a couple of days and there is so much going on.

    Welcome to any newbies that have joined us. You will find great support and friendship here.

    LCBarb - I pray that Julia is recovering well and that a miracle has been granted.

    My week so far - My scans from last week are still showing shrinkage of all tumors - YAY!

    Tested positive for BRCA2 - a non-truncating variant. BOO! Not sure what it all means yet. I think what saddens me the most is that my siblings (5 sisters/2 brothers) are now also possibly affected by all of this crap on a more personal level. 

    Spent yesterday at hospital with my son (18 yrs) as he was getting all of his wisdom teeth yanked. He did well and has no swelling.

    Today might just turn into a pj day! 

  • reesie
    reesie Member Posts: 2,078
    edited May 2012

    Did I miss the MP reveal?

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited May 2012

    barcso,  Shrinkage is a wonderful word.  Can't hear enough of that one.  Yay for you!

    You really have to look at the BRCA info. as a trade-off for your siblings.  Yes, a little fear might now be their constant companion, however, what if one of their lives is saved becasue they now know they have to be ultra vigilant?   If they want to each get tested, that is now up to them.  I think if they have daughters, they might want to

    I am always unclear on  how the BRCA affects boys.  Are they just as likely as a woman to get B/C then, or more than the average male, but less than a woman?  Is the gene passed just as easily through fathers as it is though moms?  Barsco, what do you know about this?  Anybody?

    My poor sons turned chipmunk when they had their wisdom teeth out.  Both had a problem with impaction on their lower ones and cutting was involved.  Yow.

    p.s.  Reesie, you did not miss it.  I don't think Paula66 actually told us.  There were only a few guesses.  

  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 2,407
    edited May 2012
  • Paula66
    Paula66 Member Posts: 1,728
    edited May 2012

    O so sorry about the mp. Meece guessed it right away.  It was a picture of lips.  I know it was to easy, but darn photo bucket was miss behaving that morning and wouldn't let me do any uploading. 

    Eli from my understanding on the BRCA gene in men, it does up their chances of male breast cancer. Not as high as a womans risk.  But in the whole picture of things, it rasises it abit more as far as male B/C goes. My Onc explained that just by me having the gene and our family history, my bros chances are increased from the average population at 2% up to 4%. It can be from the fathers side as well.  Since we dont know alot of my dads family history, but tons of my moms, we kinda think thats where it is coming from.  We don't tell my mom this because she has always had a hard time with my sissy having it then me having it.  She was just beside herself in the doctors office that day.  I do know that they have talked to me about having my daughter tested, but never really bring up my son.  So when we go to this genetic counsler, Im gonna ask them about him and why are they not putting him in this group.  It could be because of his age right now, so I will see.

    Barb Im keeping Julia in my prayers. 

  • lisamarie68
    lisamarie68 Member Posts: 1,235
    edited May 2012

    Dianarose I hope u get all this worjked out soon enough so u can find a piece of mind . I am always thinking of u .

    NNYBBR i dont know if that is right ur post is a ways back , I actually live on Long island .. MY town eastport is on east end towards the Hamptons . I do love florida .. welcome sorry on such yucky terms 

    I had  such a bad day yesterday , i am having troubles with pooping and pain meds .. so I am off the damm things today  pain and all. I threw up all over last night .. anyway went to BS yesterday and my pathology results turned out good news . My left breaast and nodes clear . my right breast nodes clear but the breast was very active sge said with Lcis and ADH and that i made the right decision . now its time to heal and get my life and my self back .. if that is possible . The TE's are totally uncomfortable and painful , I hatew it . I almost feel like backing out of reconstruction all together .. looks arent everything .. :( anyway if I missed stuff I am sorry ..Julie I hope all went well with u hugs .. I am sorry I dont know anything about Braca.. LUv and hugs ladies 

  • Sherryc
    Sherryc Member Posts: 5,938
    edited May 2012

    Barb I hope Julia is doing well.  Will continue to pray for her.

    barcso so happy your tumors are shrinking that is always good news.

    Lisa Marie the TE's will get better I just had my BMX on March 26th.  I had my first fill on April 23rd.  They were bothering me until about one week before my fill.  Then will the fill my right TE was sore for a week.  Now I don't even know they are there.

  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 2,407
    edited May 2012

    Lisamarie- don't give up on the TE's just yet. I hate them too, but once the swelling gets better it is much more tolerable. You have come this far and you can do this too. I am 3 weeks out and 95% better as far as the TE's are concerned. After all this crap we deserve to look good.

    The only meds I take are Xanax at night to help with the muscle spasms and sleep. Glad you path report was good. Hang in there. I have been eating oatmeal every morning to help with the whole poop thing.

  • Ossa
    Ossa Member Posts: 919
    edited May 2012

    Lisamarie.. Tissue expander becomes much more "comfortable" I sometimes forget about it.. Getting it switched out on May 11.. wooohoooo

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited May 2012

    Thanks, Dianarose, for the BRCA article.  Not too much info. about men tho'.  Here is a BRCA Risk Calculator link I just found, men and women

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Thanks for posting the abbreviations elimar!

    LCBARB:: I will be praying for Julie too! At the same time I was dealing with my DX, I found out a friend of mine has peritoneal cancer....she's in her 50's though.

    She starts her chemo on May 4th so we've been corresponding by email.

    I had my 2nd opinion from a new MO yesterday (fist MO said no chemo due to the small size. This MO says she takes the entire pathology into consideration, including the HER2+ STATUS and the multi FOCI with the possibility that my biopsy might have reduced the size of the measure of the tumor.

    She's checking with the pathologist ..but sounds more inclined to offering herceptin alone as the minimum. I feel much more confident in the new MO.

  • Paula66
    Paula66 Member Posts: 1,728
    edited May 2012

    Hang in there Lisamarie.  The TE do get better.  Once you are further into the healing process it will change.  I was having the same issues as well.  At the start I was so uncomfortable I wanted to scream.  Ad I started to heal I noticed a huge difference. 

  • madpeacock
    madpeacock Member Posts: 369
    edited May 2012

    Hey Paula - I had BRCA done because of my relatively young age at diagnosis (48) and my father's Ashkenazi Jew background. It came back negative, but the counselor was very focused on my daughter. I have no siblings, so no concern there. However, since I now have a history of BC, and my mother-in-law had BC, as well as her sister having BC AND ovarian CA, they were more concerned about what a positive BRCA would mean for my daughter. That said, she is 13 now, and they wouldn't even test her until age 18. With the negative BRCA, but with history on both sides, they likely will recommend that she start screening mammos at an earlier age.  

    An interesting side note is that there is somewhat of a connection between melanoma and BRCA (1 or 2 - can't remember right now). My father died of melanoma and every one of his family members has had some form of skin cancer. So, that plus the Ashkenazi connection was another reason for me to be tested.  

    Hope you're feeling better each day Lisamarie! 

  • barsco1963
    barsco1963 Member Posts: 2,119
    edited May 2012

    I have done a bit of searching on BRCA - found the following in relation to males.

    Men with harmful BRCA1 mutations also have an increased risk of breast cancer and, possibly, of pancreatic cancer, testicular cancer, and early-onset prostate cancer. However, male breast cancer, pancreatic cancer, and prostate cancer appear to be more strongly associated with BRCA2 gene mutations (2-4).

    I believe the melanoma risk is associated with BRCA 2 also.

    Eli - the risk calculator gave me a 10% risk - wonder how accurate it is?

    My sisters and I have all certainly been vigilant with mammos etc since mom's dx (15 yrs ago). Now with the BRCA 2 mut found, it looks like the brothers will need to be on top of things also. It is likely that the mutation came from my mom, but having dad's blood tested just to be sure as mom has passed away.

  • Paula66
    Paula66 Member Posts: 1,728
    edited May 2012

    barsco even though I have already had the testing done and am BRCA+ I, had BC in each breast, I went ahead and put my info in just to see what it says.  I came up with 21%.  I put in both my kids and it came back a 6%.  I am even more confused then I was before I spoke with her doctor.  Mind you Her background isn't a good one in the family area, so I am abit concered with the 6%.  Its not like I'm wanting this (BC) for my kids, I just want a better chance for both of them when it comes to early detection.  I know science has come along ways.  Its just that from one month they say this, then the next month someone else says no this is the way to do.  Example last year I heard that a gal who had an Aunt with BC needs to have a mammo done 10 years sooner then when the Aunt was diagnosed.  Well my sissy had it 2 times in her early 30's.  They say in their 20's a mammo is not a good tool.  What then would you do if it were your daughter.  Here is a breif family run down.  My granny- 50yrs , my auntie-70yrs, my sissy-32, 34yrs, me 43,44yrs  What do you girls think?  Am I being a bit over the top on this or should I just let it go for awhile? 

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited May 2012

    Paula, I don't think you are being over the top.  The risk calculator is a tool, not a definitive answer.  Given the family history and your BRCA mutation status your daughter should be made aware of being at higher risk, and she should discuss this with her doctor, around the age of 18 to 20 yrs old.  She and her doctor can look at all the specifics of her situation and determine what would be the best way and best time to start monitoring.  It may be that mammos, MRIs or a combination of the 2, or some new test that comes along in the next few years may be the best way for her to be monitored.  Or him, if your child/children are boys. 

  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 2,407
    edited May 2012

    My primary doc called today and said she preferred to get me into Beth Israel. She was working on it this afternoon. She said she would do the chemo despite the onco score because of the nodes. I don't have a problem with that, but I want the right chemo. I will be glad to get another opinion and get a plan and move forward. I was really out of sorts today so I did some retail therapy at Marshalls.

    Paula66- I want to have the BRCA testing too. I have 2 sisters and 4 kids and 5 granddaughters. Did your insurance pay for the test?

  • Paula66
    Paula66 Member Posts: 1,728
    edited May 2012

    Dianarose my insurance did pay for it.  The first time they denied it.  But my onc worked it out so they covered it.  Its a pretty expensive test.  I was lucky and by then most of my deductible was met. So my out of pocket was alittle ovet $600.00.  They call and let you know if the insurance will cover it before they proceed.  They also worked out a payment plan so I paid on it monthly.  Im so happy to finally have that bill gone.

    Thanks NM, I still have troubles trusting the medical community and I guess this is why I would rather turn to you gals for advice.  My daughter is 22 and I just want whats best for her.  The same goes for my son who is 19.  He is still abit imature and I don't think that now is a good time for him to persue this, but my daughter is at an age where I feel she needs to start looking at her options when it comes to BC and prevention.

  • Kleenex
    Kleenex Member Posts: 764
    edited May 2012

    Dianarose & Lisamarie - have you tried the amazing Orange Essence Dried Plums - formerly called "prunes" - VERY tasty. They always help me with travel or pain-med-related constipation...

    Dianarose - I'm with everyone who wants you to have a second opinion from a medical oncologist, hopefully one who has some experience with ILC and chemo. Is Beth Israel a good venue for that?

    My doctors pushed me to have BRCA testing because I was 45 at diagnosis - it was covered by my insurance, and I came back negative. This wasn't surprising because it's kind of the wrong kind of cancer for BRCA, and I don't have the right gene pool or family history. I still think there may be some genetic link that they don't know about, due to my lack of known risk factors. Or possibly they're going to find out about a new risk factor, such as drinking a lot of Pepsi in one's 20's, or chewing Orbit peppermint gum for years, or excessive amounts of chocolate during pregnancy...

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited May 2012

    Paula66-At 22 your daughter may want to meet with a genetic testing counselor and find out about getting BRCA tested herself.  Very personal decision but one she needs to know exists for her.  Given that males are at lower risk even when at high risk your son should be fine not dealing until he gains the maturity necessary. Just remember that all you can do about all this is give your kids the info, make sure they understand the importance of it all and what choices they have and pray they choose wisely for themselves regarding testing and monitoring.  

    Kleenex, you are right that there may be (are) mutations that we don't know about yet.  One of the results the BRCA testing can have is finding mutations of unknown signficance.  And there are probably a million or more other things that influence the development of cancer.  We'll probably never know for sure.  

  • cat61
    cat61 Member Posts: 64
    edited May 2012

    I sympathize with you gibby, I am a very active person. I walk on a regular basis , I work out on my bow flex weight machine regularly,kayak, hike and do aerobics. I have had some drawbacks because of my very unpredictable past year but I was getting back on track when I found out I had bc, I was diagnosed with IDC. I just found out that I will be having an expander put in at the same time of my mastectomy. But the surgery and following treatments will put me even farther behind. I miss being so active and cant wait to be back to normal again, feeling like myself. 

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited May 2012
    Welcome, catno!  I think you are posting to a comment on a page way, way back there.  Hurry and read all 600+ pages to catch up.  Just kidding.  We will quiz you, however.  Still kidding.  Seriously, we have a couple women right now that just got their expanders in the last couple weeks, so you will get support here.Let us know when you will have surgery.
  • fmakj
    fmakj Member Posts: 1,278
    edited May 2012

    When I got my Genetic testing done, they said that if I was positive, my sisters should be tested.  He did say that my brother could be tested for 'his daughters' chances of carrying the gene.  I was negative for the 2 known genes, but was told to keep up with genetic breakthroughs as there is bc and ovarian cancer in my Dad's family. 

  • LovesChristmas-Barb
    LovesChristmas-Barb Member Posts: 706
    edited May 2012

    I tested negative too but with my family history they said that there could be a genetic connection that they're just not able to identify yet so The genetic counselor suggested that all of the women in the family should be aware of the higher risk possibility. All of the women in my paternal grandfather's family for the last three generations have died of either breast or ovarian cancer. I'm the first in the fourth  generation to develop cancer.

    Thank you everyone for your prayers and good wishes for Julia! She should be moved out of the ICU tomorrow. They were having a difficult time last night and today keeping her pain under control but it's better this evening thankfully. The doctors say that she won't need chemo since she had that HIPEC procedure where they heat the chemo and circulate it through the abdomen for two hours after they finish removing all the visible cancer. Hopefully, that took care of any stray cells that were missed.

  • barsco1963
    barsco1963 Member Posts: 2,119
    edited May 2012

    My mom was dx with bc about 16yrs ago. She tested negative for any mutations. I have now tested positive for a mutation found since then. So they are definitely finding new and different mutations as they continue to research. We are testing Dad just to be sure it didn't come from his side. There is also a possiblity of mom having some banked DNA that they might be able to test.

    One thing to keep in mind if/when you or your children get tested is insurance descrimination. In the states GINA prohibits discrimination based on genetic information in relation to health insurance and employment, but the law does not cover life insurance, disability insurance, and long-term care insurance. Canada has yet to pass such a law.

    LCBarb - Praying for Julia's continued recovery. Glad that they were able to get the pain under control and that she will be getting out of ICU. I hope that they were able to get rid of any stray cells with the HIPEC.

    Hoping everyone has a great day!

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited May 2012

    I have been having intermittant problems with the network connection on my computer.  This time it took 60+ minutes with tech. support, and son taking over for me on the call.  I have a non-B/C question to throw out there...Do any of you have the AT&T Uverse set-up.  If so, what are your likes/dislikes?

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