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Kathleen26
Kathleen26 Member Posts: 210
edited June 2014 in Stage III Breast Cancer

Several weeks ago I went to my PCP for a routine physical, and he was concerned about liver enzymes (AST and ALT), both a little high (mid-60s) when they should be no higher than 40. He asked that I refrain from all alcohol for 3 weeks (not that I drink much--about 3 drinks a week), and then come back and get retested.

The new test was far worse than the previous test, with the numbers now in the 80s-90s. I do remember that a year or so ago when I had complained to my MO about hip pain, that he said my liver enzymes were a little high then and so the combination of that and the pain, caused him to send me for a bone scan, which fortunately was clear. I don't know what the exact numbers were then.

Of course, it takes next to nothing these days to send me into a tizzy about what all this can mean. Most of the time I'm coping well, but any little thing like this immediately brings me back to the dark days when I was first diagnosed, and no one knew yet how bad this was going to be.  Dr. Google mentions things like fatty liver, but I know this can also mean mets to liver and/or bones. Supposedly my PCP is going to call me today and let me know what he wants to do next.

Has anybody else had anything like this happen, and what did it mean?

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  • pupfoster1
    pupfoster1 Member Posts: 1,484
    edited April 2012

    Ugh, I HATE cancer.  I am just like you Kathleen, just when I start to get a grip on things something pulls the rug out from me.  I have not had the issue you are concerned about, but I would definitely follow up with your doc, maybe even put a call in to your oncologist just for peace of mind.  It probably is nothing, but you won't rest easy until you know for sure.

    Keep us posted!
    Love,
    Sharon 

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited April 2012

    I had HepB in 1982, and was hospitalized for a week. My doc said I was the sickest patient he ever had who survived. That made me VERY protective of my liver. Having HepB as bad as I did seems to predispose the liver to cancer later in life. I stopped drinking immediately.

    Eight weeks ago, I started Optifast program at Kaiser. My ALT went from 14 to 39 to 106. Normal is less than 36.

    Of course, I freaked out. Then my friend in the class, a 3 year ovarian/uterine/colo-rectal cancer survivor, asked me if I were worried about liver mets. I just stared at her! Of course I wasn't! But then it dawned on me that this is my new normal.....always wondering if some issue - test scores, pain, whatever - is related to my breast cancer somehow.

    The doc ordered tons more bloodwork, and a few of the liver enzymes were a bit off.

    I had an abdominal ultrasound, which showed all organs (liver, pancreas, etc) were completely clear (no masses, no shadows, etc) , except for possibly a low-level "echogenic" fatty liver.

    However, I did show "sludge" in my gallbladder - a precursor to gallstones, which they warned us about before the program started.

    My PCP told me the diet could be "transient trauma" to the liver. My MO said this was a common occurrence.

    The Weight Management doc, who knew all about my HepB and my BC,  asked me tons of questions, and his main point was that he doesn't make a diagnosis solely on the basis of lab numbers. He also considers symptoms, of which I had none.

    No upper-right quadrant abdominal pain, no nausea, no vomiting, no jaundice, no pee the color of root beer, no stools the color of chalk. So he really wasn't too concerned. He said we would just keep an eye on things and repeat labs frequently. But if I WERE to show any of the symptoms, to come in immediately.

    I know my situation is different from yours, Kathleen, but I just wanted to let you know that I've had the anxiety about high liver enzymes.

    Hoping that your numbers return to normal, and that this is just a temporary situation.

    Wishing you the best....

  • Kathleen26
    Kathleen26 Member Posts: 210
    edited April 2012

    Thanks so much for your support, and your experiences. 

    I just got a surprising voice mail from my PCP, telling me to stop the Arimidex immediately.  I am really reluctant to do this, since in my mind it is the only chance I've got.   Maybe it is true, and maybe not, but I think it's the most important thing I can do to prevent recurrence.  

    I'm going to call my MO in the morning first, before I call my PCP back, and get his take on this advice.

    Has this happened to anyone else?

  • itsjustme10
    itsjustme10 Member Posts: 796
    edited May 2012

    I googled it, and apparently liver problems, while rare, could be a serious side effect of Arimidex...

    Adverse Reactions

    Serious adverse reactions with Arimidex occurring in less than 1 in 10,000 patients, are: 1) skin reactions such as lesions, ulcers, or blisters; 2) allergic reactions with swelling of the face, lips, tongue, and/or throat. This may cause difficulty in swallowing and/or breathing; and 3) changes in blood tests of the liver function, including inflammation of the liver with symptoms that may include a general feeling of not being well, with or without jaundice, liver pain or liver swelling [see Adverse Reactions (6.2)].

    http://www.drugs.com/pro/arimidex.html

  • Elizabeth1959
    Elizabeth1959 Member Posts: 346
    edited May 2012

    I would definitely talk to MO before stopping arimidex. Maybe a gastroenterologist should evaluate you. My husband did have hepatitis from a statin drug used to treat his elevated cholesterol. I'm sure the differential diagnosis for elevated liver enzymes is enormous - infection, inflammation, toxins, tumor etc. I suspect your PCP doesn't fully understand your risk without an AI. Fingers crossed for a simple explanation.

  • Kathleen26
    Kathleen26 Member Posts: 210
    edited May 2012

    I spoke to the MO first thing this morning, and he wasn't terribly worried about the liver enzyme levels, and said that he sometimes sees levels far higher than that in people taking arimidex, and that moderately increased levels of liver enzymes were not that uncommon.   He said I could stop the drug for a couple of weeks if I wanted to (!), but that he would get me in for a liver scan to see if anything serious was going on.

    My PCP is fine with this approach and will let the MO handle this for the time being.

    Now to keep scanxiety to a minimum!

  • ma111
    ma111 Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    I'll pray that it is from the medication.

  • pupfoster1
    pupfoster1 Member Posts: 1,484
    edited May 2012

    Kathleen, just wondering why Arimidex?  What about Tamoxifen?  Not sure if that would still have similar SE's but it's a thought.  Here's to a clean scan!!

    Sharon

  • Karina121293
    Karina121293 Member Posts: 370
    edited May 2012

    Kathleen, no experience in liver enzymes, but sending you prayers and positive thoughts for good scans !!! Holding your hand, while you going through the scanxiety.

  • beegee
    beegee Member Posts: 32
    edited May 2012

    I just went to my MO today for the first post-treatment appointment, and my liver enzymes were ALT 77 and AST 70.  He is mildly concerned, and ordered another blood test in a month.  He did say that the more serious liver problems (cancer, hepatitis, etc) would have abnormal numbers in other categories, and all my other numbers were in the normal range. He didn't say anything about discontinuing the Arimidex, or even stopping it temporarily.  I suppose if the numbers rise again like yours did, he would say something different.   I'm still worried about it though until I hear that everything is normal again ---will that ever happen?  Good luck, Kathleen as you explore this problem.  It looks like I'm right behind you.

    Oh, and my bone density test shows me having osteopenia.  Oh joy!  Just have to take calcium and vitamin D for that. 

  • Kathleen26
    Kathleen26 Member Posts: 210
    edited May 2012

    Pupfoster, I don't know about Tamoxifen; my MO was talking about arimidex specifically because that's what I'm taking.

    Beegee, my liver enzymes were first noticed to be high about six months after I started, that was over a year ago.  All other numbers are normal, so what your onc said is reassuring.   I also found out recently that even though I am taking 500 mg of calcium and 1500 IU of Vit D per day, my bone density dropped 6% in 1 year.  So do take the calcium/D but don't be surprised if it doesn't totally solve the problem.   I'm trying to up it to 1000 mg/day, plus all the milk, yogurt etc, that I already have daily to see if I can slow it down.  Apparently estrogen helps the body absorb the calcium.

    I think I'm going to chicken out on the liver scan for the time being: I'm leaving for a 2 week vacation in about 2 weeks, so I want to wait until I get back to learn any potential bad news.  Does anyone else do that??

  • YATCOMW
    YATCOMW Member Posts: 664
    edited May 2012

    I do that all the time.....in fact I don't see my oncologist from October through December....my girls and I have our birthdays in the same week in October and I don't want any bad news around the holidays to ruin them.
     
    So yes....go and have a great vacation and revisit this when you get back....
     
    Jacqueline 

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