March 2012 chemo

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  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited April 2012

    Yes it was a skull and crossbone buff - I think I was a bit biker chic!  Thanks for the suggestion!

  • Alicethecat
    Alicethecat Member Posts: 535
    edited April 2012

    Hi everyone

    As we've all been so active discussing health and nutrition recently, here are a few links in case anyone has missed them:

    Lower Your Risk: http://www.breastcancer.org/risk/  

    Nutrition: http://www.breastcancer.org/tips/nutrition/ 

    Exercise: http://www.breastcancer.org/tips/exercise/

    Best wishes

    Alice the Cat

  • galena_79
    galena_79 Member Posts: 107
    edited April 2012

    Tx4 Day1. Ugh, chemo Monday for me.  I went in early this morning to get bloods taken. Only needed one needle, and the blood came out slowly but surely - once I raised my arm and turned my head.  So I guess that's good.

    The results are in, and everything's perfect. I'll go back this afternoon for my infusion. I'm feeling really anxious and weepy.  Just so over everything.  Walking into the chemo room makes me feel nauseous - the sights, the smells, the sensations... make me feel so anxious and sick.  Maybe I need to take a sedative before I go back for my infusion.

    Meanwhile everyone keeps telling me how good I look.  Of course, they see me when I have the energy to leave the house.  They see me when I've had the energy to shower and put on clothes and makeup.

    Okay, I'm trying not to lose it.  Taking deep breaths.

    Silver lining - at least this will be my final A/C. I'm nearly half way through.

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    hopeful123- Yes, I just finished my period the other day. It was not a heavy flow for me, but it was quite thick/clotted. I wasn't concerned, and didn't tell my MO about it. He never said I would definitely stop having periods, but I was hopeful! I'm only 32 so it might not stop at all. I guess I'll find out next month. I hope your ObGyn appointment goes well.

    IndigoMont11- Hiya. Yes, kia kaha is Maori for 'be strong'. I am really looking forward to seeing The Hobbit. :) I hope your chemo treatments are going well.

    suzie- Thanks for your post. You're right, I *will* get through this!

    MLB- I suppose my hubby is probably taking cues from me. Also, all of the stress of being the main support person will be taking its toll. He's brilliant, and I'm so grateful to have his love and support. But it's not really any wonder that neither of us feel particularly raunchy. It's yet another thing we have to get through; good thing we have a really strong marriage.

    joyful- Hiya, if you read through the previous posts you'll come across a lot of hints and tips, and find out what everyone else has gone through. Personally, I found the nausea and gastric issues the worst - keep on to the anti-constipation meds!

    triplem67- OMG, what have they done to your port!? I hope you're doing okay now.

    shera- I understand that 'borrowing energy from the future' idea too! You feel so good some days, that you don't realise how much it's costing. My last A/C infusion is in a few hours, then I'll be starting Paclitaxel (Taxol) in 3 weeks. Thanks for the new blog link, I had an old address.

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited April 2012

    Hi all,

    So I know this sounds very "Mary Sunshine," but I seriously work, and have worked, for a long time (before BC and all) at being happy.  That to me means thinking of something to smile/laugh about at least once, every day.   Not every day is wonderful, of course, but that isn't the point.  The point is to be in charge of my own happiness and not condition being happy on things I can't control.  I have been happier in general since I've done that.

    I wanted to share what made me happy today.  It was:

    Having AAA come fix my very dead battery w/o DH having to get stressed, run around getting a new one, try and not succeed to jump start our old battery, spend his whole afternoon fixing it, and argue with the boys the whole time. Plus we got to be assured that the only thing wrong with the car *was* the dead battery.  

    We had just joined AAA  in February - used it to get our car and truck towed in when they had broken down, for repairs (yes, they actually were both in the shop at the same time), but I hadn't really thought about it since then.  While DH was freaking out about going out and finding the battery dead, it occurred to me that - hey, we have AAA!  Needless to say, we are all happy now. 

    It does seem to me lately, though - that since my "immediate" crisis is passing (i.e., all the scariness of the diagnosis, etc.), now all this stuff around my house is deciding to wear out or break down.  My dishwasher is making an ominous noise which we are thinking is some kind of gear going out.  And our gas grill doesn't light any more, flared up like crazy when it still did light, and had me scared it was going to blow us up.  

    Our tax refund has been earmarked for a new bed for DH and me; our current one is not easy on our backs, and DS#1 says he'll take it when we pass it on.  We're chipping away at the list of other stuff.  The grill is something we want - the dishwasher I really can no longer live without (did that for the first 10 years we were in our house before we remodeled our kitchen - not doing it again!).   This week I'm going to keep looking for a deal on a new dishwasher.  Yay for online shopping.   

    Wishing everyone getting treatments this week - well, everyone regardless! - minimal SEs.  Hugs!

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited April 2012

    Hi again Galena-yay for getting to the end of A/C treatments!  My last one is June 21 - trying not to think that far ahead....

    I have "discovered" some super hottie actors from New Zealand, too, thanks to Spartacus (and if anyone has seen it, please don't judge me too harshly for watching it - I got started because I'm surrounded by testosterone and we tend toward action/adventure here rather than chick flicks.  If you haven't seen it - umm, well, DO NOT try watching it while younger kids are around!  It is very graphic - you've been warned....) Anyway, I've really enjoyed watching Manu Bennett and Antonio Te Maioha, among others.  Smile

  • Sissydi
    Sissydi Member Posts: 516
    edited April 2012

    Sitting in the chair now for A/C treatment 4!



    Galena, I get nauseas too when I approach this place! It's amazing how powerful your mind is. Just found out I will probably get Tamoxifen, even though I am a weak positive for ER.....

  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited April 2012

    Galena - hope that your treatment went well yesterday. And yay that it is the last one. Hope your SE aren't too bad this go round.



    Indigo - yeah I couldn't make it if I actually had to wash dishes lol. Hope you find a good deal. Lol on the New Zealand "hotties"



    Sissy - in the chair here too. I feel the same way when I just think about driving into the parking lot.



    Ok I talked to MO and didn't really come out of there feeling any better. She just told me how I need to embrace my sadness and feel what I was going to feel about everything that was happening. Um that's not the problem. Then (and this really bugged me), she started talking about how I was probably feeling worried that "I haven't done what I wanted to do or that my lifespan would be shortened". Way to cheer me up doc. Anyway I think they called in some kind of antidepressant but I don't even know. I just don't think I want to be on something on an everyday basis.



    Oh and I forgot to even ask her about the damn period thing. But I got to thinking that I have only had one. I had one right before tx 1 and then one after tx 2 right at 4 weeks later.

  • Love74
    Love74 Member Posts: 175
    edited April 2012

    Hey girls...regarding periods:  I had one right after tx 1 and right before tx 3.  I asked my onc about it a few weeks ago.  She said the younger you are the more chance you have of keeping it throughout chemo but that it is rare.  I am a week late now and I am 12 days past 4th treatment so I'm thinking mine are done!

  • hopeful123
    hopeful123 Member Posts: 191
    edited April 2012

    Galena, kltbo4, and love74- thanks for posting about the period issue. I am feeling a little less stressed.

    Galena- yeahh last AC!! How exciting. Can't wait to get there.

    Sissydi and kltb04- good luck with your treatments today.

    And thanks to everyone for the links on nutrition and exercise. It sometimes bothers me, as I am sure it does a lot of you as to how we have followed a lot of these tips and still ended up being the chosen few. I am a vegetarian, eat lots of green veggies, dont smoke, and exercise regularly. The one thing that I do need to change is have an attitude like Indigo. Smile more and stop stressing and wanting everything to be perfect.

    Kltb04- I am going through the same kind of feelings as you, as I am also her2 positive. I know herceptin is supposed to work but I keep thinking what if it doesn't. I hate taking antidepressants to get through this and don't plan on it unless it is absolutely essential. But wait a minute didn't I just say a few lines ago the change I plan to make is to smile and stress less :)

  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited April 2012

    I agree on the attitude hopeful. Indigo you need to conduct a seminar. :)



    That is what got me about what MO was saying. She was saying that I needed to acknowledge all the dark thoughts and then distract myself I guess and not just try and be positive all the time but that is not the issue. I think I needed someone to tell me not to worry so much. She is obviously not the person to do that. I haven't even asked her if she thinks that the chemo is working because she would probably just say "well we can't know for sure" or something. She really was out there a bit. Kept saying that our society focuses too much on the head and not the heart and how you have to acknowledge your heart???



    Oh and I didn't even ask her about that bump on my head. Hell she would've probably sent me for another head CT. I respect that she orders scans and such for concerns but as the dr I wish she would sometimes just tell me that I am being paranoid.

  • hopeful123
    hopeful123 Member Posts: 191
    edited April 2012

    Kltb04- here is something to cheer you up. When I was in for my last infusion I had another MO since mine was out of town. He is also a senior Prof at MD Anderson like mine but just more cheerful. Mine is calm which i like too. In any case the cheerful one said "herceptin has changed the whole situation. I see very few recurrences (partically none who were diagnosed early). " It was strange how even though I have been doing a ton of reading and pretty much know the numbers, hearing that from him cheered me up. sometimes we just need positive thoughts from the MO, so I can see how you are annoyed.

  • Love74
    Love74 Member Posts: 175
    edited April 2012

    Hopeful123 - My mother-in-law is 10yrs cancer free with triple positive stage 2 ILC...and there was no herceptin treatment available when she was diagnosed.  She did only chemo and tamoxifen. 

  • hopeful123
    hopeful123 Member Posts: 191
    edited April 2012

    Love74- love hearing about people who are long term survivors. More reason to smile :)

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited April 2012

    Hi all, I do want to tell you that you've given me reasons to smile!  I loved all of the posts leading up to Crazy Tazey.  I'm sorry it's effing BC that brought us all together, but feeling like I'm not alone has meant so much to me.  I really cannot trust all my family and/or friends with my deepest/darkest thoughts and fears, so having you all to vent with is saving my sanity. 

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited April 2012

    Is anyone else in excrutiating bone pain from DD Taxol?   I'm on Day 6 and this all started the evening of Day 4 of my first infusion of Taxol.

  • Sissydi
    Sissydi Member Posts: 516
    edited April 2012

    Kam, have you taken a Claritin? That helps with the bone pain while your on Neulasta shots.



    Last A/C in the hole! It started kicking my butt during infusion! Chills and nausea, although mild. My body is definitely done with this one! 3 weeks off, then Taxol! But good news is, on Taxol, my hair should start growing back ;)

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited April 2012

    I don't think it is the Neulasta...I talke Claritan. Just that DD Taxol.  It's tough...that's all I gotta say. I finally broke down and took a hydrocodone/tylenol.  We'll see, not kicking in yet.

  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited April 2012

    Kam - I have no experience with the Taxol yet but I believe it is worse for causing actual pain than the A/C.  Take those pain meds if you've got em.  I don't hesitate anymore to take them for my Nuelasta pain.

    Speaking of Taxol - I asked MO today what I will get after A/C and she said Taxotere.  They are in the same family I believe.  I just have assumed I would be getting Taxol.

    hopeful and Love - thanks for the positive feedback :)  That is great about your MIL Love...and hopeful, I wish my MO was like that!  She is just very calm, quiet, to the point when I am talking to her and pause she will actually say "go on, I am listening..."and I just think she isn't the reassuring type.  After she told me all my dark fears I needed to acknowledge, lol, she was quick to say "not that this will necessarily happen".   Oh well, she tried.  

    Indigo - I agree.  I will mention things to DH and my mom but it is more just to get them to reassure me (which is what I was wanting the dr to do too) rather than actually talking about it.  What I want to get to is the point when if I am having a conversation with someone that I don't immediately have the thought in my mind about cancer.  Like SIL last night said "the next time we go on vacation to FL..." and my immediate thought was "IF there is a next time" - just immediatly going to the dark place.  And it is a contradiction, you hear "live in the day, in the moment" but at the same time if I am doing that, I find it difficult to make any plans for more than a week in advance.  My mom told me today when I said that "it something else comes up, you will deal with it then"  Don't borrow trouble and all that.  I need to have that Michael J Fox quote tattooed on my arm "Don't spend a lot of time imagining the worst case scenario. It rarely goes down as you imagine it will, and if by some fluke it does, you will have lived it twice."

    Anyway, I have rambled enough...as far as actual SE from today, I got a little nauseous after I picked up the kids from school (driving curvy road didn't help), am tired, and just have that full feeling I get after each TX (which in turn is making my weird rib non pain worse on that side).  But I will leave you all with this bit of information....I just sneezed and peed on myself so I have to go take care of that. 

  • KCB
    KCB Member Posts: 365
    edited April 2012

    Huge congrats to all who are at or near their last tx!!! So so great!!

    I have sadly four left, trying not to fear for another innards issue...

    Re: dark and sad places. If positive seems too far away to get to, sometimes even neutral can be a goal. I don't know. I've been finding that although it's hard to be exactly cheerful, given everything, staying neutral seems achievable. Or maybe I am in a permanent state of numb shock! Who knows.

    Very happy that I found a lactose free chocolate ice cream. Lactose intolerant, sadly, so ice cream has been a problem. This is good news.

  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited April 2012

    klb, your posts always make me smile!

    As far as all the nutrition, exercis talk, I guess it is my way of dealing with this crap.  I have no after treatment, so in order for me not to stress about reoccurance etc, I read and read and read about what I can do.  It may have no effect other than I should be healthier, look better and have more energy, as far as cancer fighting, I don't know, but it helps me to think it will!  

    I am the queen of denial!  But cancer truely does suck!

    WOOHOO to everyone who had a treatment today, I hope it went smooth and everyone has a decent nights sleep! 

  • MichelleMassey
    MichelleMassey Member Posts: 213
    edited April 2012

    Kam-I still have one more AC then I start taxol. I haven't heard about bone pain with it, but they do talk about neuropathy of the hands and feet.



    Indigo- your positive attitude inspires me. I try to stay upbeat but do have my down days. But I feel dealing with this disease we have earned the right to have our down days. Zoloft seems to be keeping those at bay somewhat. That and a glass of wine! Lol!



    Went to see MO and he's sending me to the surgeon to see what they did to my port. I go Wednesday so will let you guys know.

  • tc9876
    tc9876 Member Posts: 136
    edited April 2012

    Hopeful:  I totally know what you are saying about eating well and still getting the big BC.  However, my friends remind me that I didn't ALWAYS eat well and my mother tells me that it is more than diet...it's the water we drink and the cleaning products we use, the makeup we wear and the fumes we walk by.  Soooo many things has the ability to stimulate cancer.  We can just do the best that we can do. 

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited May 2012

    I totally agree that we have our down days - and I think we are entitled.  I just thought I'd share my one little coping tool - to be totally honest, while my DH is a good person and loves me, he has gotten very bitter and negative by this point in his life.  We've lived with a lot of disappointments (well, who doesn't, right)?  and back in the day I used to kind of tell myself, "well, this or that to do with him would make me happy."  I had to finally accept that as long as I made being happy contingent on that, it was not going to happen.  Being happy might even be something as minor as smiling at one of my sons when they kiss me on the cheek - and that might be it for the day.  That's sometimes all I shoot for.  

    You are all right - cancer sucks. I hate the pain, the changes to my body that I didn't ask for, and the worry that I might not be able to take care of DH (I'm the breadwinner of our family). I still sometimes step back and tell myself, "I can't believe this is really happening to me!"  

    I'll also tell you - I did not have the "prognosis" discussion with my onc, as in, what are my chances of surviving this for 5 years.  I could have, and I could also figure it out on my own - but I just got to a point where enough was enough.  I didn't want to start feeling guilty over what I could have done and didn't do to keep the !!@#$$% cancer from getting to Stage III.   Based on what I do know, and what my testing after surgery has shown so far, I am staying positive about completing treatment and moving on.  

    I am serious when I say that all of you make me smile and inspire me so much.  If you need antianxiety or antidepressants to keep fighting this beast, well, by all means, do what you must!  I know of people who would have benefited from at least going to therapy (name wittheld) if not antidepressants, but they just refused because "you don't do that."  Well, as a result, they are leading pretty miserable lives, and who does that help?   

    I am older than many of you who are raising younger children, and I can only imagine that were I in your shoes, I would need even more support.  Luckily for me, my sons are grown and pretty low maintenance, and except for trying not to stress about how the heck we're going to get their college all paid for, they are fine.  

    So you don't even have to apologize at all for what you feel.  If I can do anything to make even a minute of your day a little easier, that's my way of paying it forward.  If not, then I'll be positive for you today - you never know, I may well need you to be positive for me tomorrow!

    Hugs!! 

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited May 2012

    Hi KCB - so did you find out yet when you can resume chemo? 

  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited May 2012

    Michelle - UGH on the port - let us know what the surgeon says - what an unnecessary ordeal :(

    KCB - yay for lactose free ice cream.

    Indigo - (((HUGS))) and you hit the nail on the head for me when you said that your happiness was dependent on him - my happiness has always been very much an if/then proposition.  "If I find out X, then I can look forward to Y" from trivial things like weight "once I lose X amt of pounds, I will feel happy and want to go shopping" to now "once I go to this dr appt and quit worrying about that, I will make vacation plans" - I have simply got to get out of that mindset.  I remember Oprah always talking about that in regards to happiness.  That happiness isn't as much an emotion as a choice  (not in those words but along that line).  And I am emotion driven in my interactions with others.  If I am feeling hopeful, I am chatty, happy, talkative with DH and kids, if I am worried, I just snap at them, say "we'll talk about this later" - I know everyone is like that to a point but I take it to the extreme.  I can be short with them one minute and then if I have pacified my worry even 5 minutes later with either reassuring myself or searching and finding a reassuring story, then I am fine.  Ok, maybe I do need to go get that rX!

    Also, I didn't ever talk stats/prognosis with my MO (my BS was all happy happy joy joy you are gonna beat this) - the only way I knew stage II (besides deducing it myself) was asking the nurse.  That is why it kind of threw me for a loop when she started with the "shortened life expectancy" talk today - I keep thinking "hey, does she know something I don't?"  But my mom insists I took it out of context and she was just saying "these are some of the things you are probably struggling with and you don't need to deny them, just don't dwell on them".  

  • tc9876
    tc9876 Member Posts: 136
    edited May 2012

    Indigo:  I really appreciated what you said.  I try to increase my positivity by remembering that it can always be worst & being thankful that it is not.

  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited May 2012

    I never talked stats/prognosis with MO - he just said you will be fine, and I didn't question him!  I told you I was queen of denial!  LOL

  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited May 2012

    Kim, that is probably the best way to be - really - I don't think a one of us has an MO that would disregard an additional symptom if it persisted and there is something to be said for just trusting the treatment.  I sometimes think it was easier to deal with such conditions when there wasn't the internet with the information, misinformation, old information, etc...to deal with.

    Edited to add...nausea/fullness/blah feeling is kicking in.  Think I will just stack the dishes in the sink for DH to deal with (hate unloading the clean dishwasher) and throw a load of clothes in the wash (so I won't be wearing dirty pants) and go to my room with the Lifetime movie of my choice.

  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited May 2012

    Ktb - hope those yucky feelings go away quickly!  Enjoy those lifetime movies!

     Oh, and I did plenty of research and reading on the internet, and it was depressing and overwhelming, so I pretty much stopped!  

  • MichelleMassey
    MichelleMassey Member Posts: 213
    edited May 2012

    Indigo-that was awesome and so very true. And we definitely do have to find happiness in the small things. I love the extra squeeze or hug from my son, or the extra calls I get now from my daughters. Today's happiness was found in a daffodil that bloomed in my backyard and is surviving my dogs!



    I never did the prognosis talk either. I'm not a statistic. I also stopped reading the Internet. Too much misinformation and doom on there.



    Klb-sorry you feel yucky. I can't believe some of us are already or almost done with the AC! We rock! So very proud of all us ladies!

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