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  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited November 2011

    I had my stereotactic biopsy on Friday and don't have the results.  I'm praying that it is nothing, and if so, going forward I am going to switch to Thermography for my breast health.  On this go round, I feel like I've had enough radiation to light up a town!  My DD was furious when she found out how many mammos I had been through...3 plus the biopsy.

    We have since located a doctor that specializes in holistic health, and supports thermography, so this will be my go to place for my medical needs in the future.

     I truly believe that our bodies, if kept in optimal condition, can fight off disease.  I practice a very healthy lifestyle, and have rarely been sick  my entire life.  This recent issue could have been caused by an overload to my immune system last summer when I was stung multiple times by bees, and also got a case of shingles, and then a UTI.  To make matters worse, during all that, I got a flu vaccination....duh!  When my vitamin D levels were tested, they were at a low 27, so now I'm on 5,000 IU daily and due to be tested again next week.  I've cleaned up my diet and now eat mostly raw vegetables and protein.  The result has been a loss of about 7 lbs, most of it around my middle.

    I'm in my early 70's, and my first priority is quality of life.  I won't settle for anything less, so I will do whatever it takes to make that happen, even if it means paying out of my own pocket.  

    Good luck to everyone in your quest for wellness! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    Kaara, digital breast tomosynthesis is available. It overcomes the limitations of conventional mammography. The big problem in conventional medieval mammography is that 3D anatomical information is projected into a 2D image plane, limiting the ability to detect certain cancers.

    As we know, dense breast tissue and overlapping structures may lead to false positive or false negative results.

    What I'm going to do, from now on, is first thermographs, if suspicious, then breast ultrasound or MRI, if suspicious, then breast tomosynthesis. 

    ETA Dedicated breast CT and digital tomosynthesis were both found to have an average lifetime risk of fatal breast cancer of 1.3 to 2.6 cases, respectively, per 100,000 women 40 years of age at exposure. On the other hand, mammography, either digital or screen-film, performed annually in women from age 40 to age 80, is associated with causing fatal breast cancer in 20 to 25 cases out of 100,000 women


     

    Revolutionary Breast Imaging Technology

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=wavTV-zo98Q

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited November 2011

    princess123:   There was an oncologist on Dr. Oz talking about this technology the other day.  I wrote it down and was planning to do some research but got sidetracked.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention.  That's a very good option.

  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited November 2011

    This is another type if Ultra Sound scan available in select areas.

     http://sonocine.com/

    http://sonocine.com/siteLocations.html

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited December 2011

    My integrative physician has suggested that I begin to get thermography screening on a regular basis.  It will detect early growing tumors several years before they can be detected on a mammogram.  You would still have to get an MRI to cofirm, but could save years in terms of catching it early.

  • MsBliss
    MsBliss Member Posts: 536
    edited December 2011

    If you do thermography, make sure you do the best and most thorough type which includes a special type of photograph and detailed readings of the vascular structures of the breasts.  Not all thermography are equal.

    Also, include SonoCine if you can find a provider or someone trained in the art of reading such scans.  My oncologist supports this as a way to avoid unneccessary radiation to breast tissue which is innately sensitive to radiation.

  • Leia
    Leia Member Posts: 265
    edited December 2011

    MsBliss, which Thermography types are best? What has been best, for you? You have found some Thermograph providers that have been deficient? 

    But yeah, Sonocine, breast ultrasound sounds great, too. No radiation.  

    Yet, I am sticking by my Thermorgram. My Thermogram provider included the detailed readings of the vascular structures of my breasts. I have a six page detailed report, with photos. And the final conclusion, no evidence of cancer. 

    You have it right, Kaara. If the Thermogram is abnormal, you do need further diagnostic tests. But for screening purposes, the Thermogram replaces the mammogram or the MRI.

    With a negative Thermogram, the coast is clear.  You don't need those mammograms or MRIs.

    Which is where I am. I am a total Thermogram supporter.  And the only screening test that I will be doing, going forward.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2011

    I got my thermogram results.  My breasts have remained stable since my last one and the doc said that is a good thing.  I have a grading of TH3, which is "equivical" (questionable but not abnormal).  Doc says the breasts are a little warmer than they like but it doesn't raise any red flags. Soy and/or flaxseed could cause this.  He said to take Idoral 25-50 mg (which I do) and DIM. 

    My first thermography was a TH3 also.  Since that was my baseline and because of my history of bc the doc wanted me to have a mammo and US, which I did.  Both were clear.  So I am confident that my breasts are fine. 

    I will also only do thermos from here on out and use other methods only if indicated.  No more yearly mammos for me!!!  If more women would put their foot down and stop listening to the status quo and refuse mammos, we could change the way they do things.   

  • Leia
    Leia Member Posts: 265
    edited December 2011

    impositive, you are exactly right. "If more women would put their foot down and stop listening to the status quo and refuse mammos, we could change the way they do things."

    We could. And it is starting with you and me. We both have had thermograms and see the benefit. And neither of us will have mammos as screening tests, ever again. Because the Thermo is the superior screening test.

    We are just at the start.

    It is a big change. But not a radical one. I was so amazed how pleasant my Thermogram was. As opposed to the mammograms that I have had. Which have always been uncomfortable. The Thermogram is the superior test to predict cancer, totally comfortable, and has no radiation exposure.

    That is why I am choosing it. And going forward, more and more women are going to start choosing it, as well.

  • Ang7
    Ang7 Member Posts: 1,261
    edited December 2011

    Thermogram might be the way to go but since my insurance does not cover it this is not something I can afford.  Hopefully it will be covered in the future. 

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited December 2011

    The FDA's position on thermography, and Breastcancer,org's analysis:

    http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/testing/new_research/20110603b.jsp

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited December 2011

    Interesting article from the Moderators.  Read and noted.

     My question is this...if thermography can detect small changes in breast tissue years before mammography can, why wouldn't a doctor recommend this kind of test, particularly for high risk women.  If changes are detected, then MRI would certainly be the next step, but a mammogram or us would not help because these changes are too small to be seen on those images.  My own early stage bc was picked up on a mammogram by a very saavy radiologist, but still could not be found on us.  Had I been doing thermography, I think it might have been detected several years before, and an MRI would have confirmed that fact.

    Thermography is approved and widely used in Europe for detecting early stage bc.  IMHO the FDA's opinion on this device is more political than consumer oriented.  It doesn't change my mind about getting scanned by thermography, in fact, I am scheduled for one sometime in January to see if there are any changes in my breasts that went undetected, as I was never given an MRI after my bc dx, because my BS said there were too many false positives.  We'll see. 

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2011

    With all due respect to the Mods...How many times have we been misled by the FDA's decisions?  How many drugs have they approved as safe only to be pulled from the market after causing death or serious injury?  How may drugs are still on the market that have caused serious injury or death, including chemotherapy drugs?  There is too much corruption within the FDA to gain my trust....sadly.  I will rely on thermogram as my first defense.  I will use the other tools available if need be.  Radiation is a known carcinogen.  Why would bc patients subject ourselves to a known carcinogen at least once every year for the rest of our lives?  This is in addition to the CT scans, chest x-rays, bone scans, MUGA scans, PET scans....the list goes on.  It's amazing to me that no one tracks the amount of radiation we cancer patients are subjected to on an ongoing basis.  

    Our FDA also has criminalized vitamin B17 as a treatment for cancer.  I have personally met people whose cancer is gone after taking DMSO, vit B17 and Vit C intravenously.  I have taken this treatment myself and am awaiting the results of my PET scan.  Another bc patient I befriended at the clinic where I was taking treatment (and have stayed in touch with), called me with the results of her PET scan a couple days ago.  She was stage IV.  She had a 3cm tumor in her breast and mets to her sternum and lymph nodes.  After only 40 days of treatment, the result of her most resent PET shows NO bone mets, her lymph nodes are CLEAR and the 3cm tumor is now 2cm.  The SUV on her original PET was 8.5...it is now 4.0.  She is continuing with another 20 days of treatment.  This is for a treatment that our FDA has labeled quackery.  

    So please dont tell us what the FDA says cause I'm not buying it!

  • Leia
    Leia Member Posts: 265
    edited January 2012

    Impositive, yeah the radiation we get with all of these scans, no one is keeping track of. 

    The summer of 2011, the year I finally said, NO, to what had become my annual CT scan for my December, 2004 Leio cancer. Leio is mostly a death sentence, it mostly affects a woman's uterus. But I had this weird external butt version. 2cm, cut out with huge margins.  Yet the docs wanted me to continue this annual CT scan. Even when year after year, the scan found nothing. At first, it was every three months. Then, six months, and then I said, a year. And in 2011, I said, no more. 

    I don't believe the FDA, either.They are just lying.  Or maybe that is too harsh, they are just incompetent. Like you said, approving a drug, and then yanking it after it causes so many deaths. 

    But what is even more sickening,to me, the FDA trying to ban natural supplements. Saying they can not help you and will in fact harm you.

    I have never heard of anyone dying, from natural supplements; the deaths from Pharma drugs, more than I can count.  

    We can live better lives with healthy food and natural supplements. As I have said many times on this board, I truly believe that at the very least if most people had optimum Vitamin D levels, the incidence of disease and cancer would plummet.  

    We don't have health care in this country we have sick care. And that precisely what is wrong.  

  • Merritmalloy
    Merritmalloy Member Posts: 79
    edited January 2012
    I specifically asked my bs today about thermography. I has umm on right and want to keep close eye on left. She completely dismissed it as a viable option. Said mammo is way to o because it picks up calcifications. I had dcis so maybe that's why she noted that specifically. I don't know. I always lean toward alternative and believe the FDA is currupt. I really,like my bs but how can you feel confident about your dr when they completely disregard something that seems viable.
  • Merritmalloy
    Merritmalloy Member Posts: 79
    edited January 2012

    Does anyone have ballpark cost of thermo if insurance does not cover?

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited January 2012

    merritmalloy - my full body scan was $400, breast/chest only was $250

  • Leia
    Leia Member Posts: 265
    edited January 2012

    o2bhealthy, ditto. 

    That is what I paid, as well.  

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited March 2012

    I just got the results of my very first thermography and it was all clear.  I received a TH1 rating on both breasts, with the exception of the left where the lumpectomy was performed I received a THL1 rating to indicate the lumpectomy.  It was recommended that I do another one in six months, which I gladly will.   I do a mammogram in May to confirm these results.  The cost for me was $195.

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited April 2012

    I believe in thermograms and have had a few; however, that being said, I will find a different thermographer when I have my next one.  The thermographer was adamant that I did not have BC and my lump was Fibroadenoma.  The rating on my thermogram was TH-3.  I've lost any confidence in this person and wonder where I would have been at within a year if I had taken this person's recommendation that I just stay on my supplements and return in 6 months.

    The thermograms I had in Nov 2011 and in March 2012 did not pick up the 5 cm IDC that I was just diagnosed with on April 12, 2012. 

  • Ang7
    Ang7 Member Posts: 1,261
    edited April 2012

    I really don't know how thermograms work but that must have been very upsetting for you teeballmom. 

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited April 2012

    I would be really apprehensive about having one if they miss nasties

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited April 2012

    I am so sorry that you had this experience. 5cm is a fairly large size. I wish you the best with whatever treatment you choose. Once you have a plan in place, you'll feel better. Caryn

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2012

    Below is a link to an insurance company position paper on thermography.  I found it to be a balanced look at both the pluses and minuses of thermography.  Read beyond the initial statements of Aetna's viewpoint for some interesting explanation of the premise of thermography, and also some of the studies on its use for breast cancer detection and other medical applications.  It appears to me that the consensus is that it is a useful tool, but should not be solely relied on, it should be used in conjunction with other imaging devices.  I know there are some who alternate it with mammo.

    http://www.aetna.com/cpb/medical/data/1_99/0029.html

  • jenlee
    jenlee Member Posts: 504
    edited April 2012

    Since I've had all the standard scans and am about to finish chemo, I plan to have a full body scan as a baseline and see what I think...

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited April 2012

    I am one who is planning to alternate thermography with mammograms.  While I like the concept that a thermography can pick up suspicious areas long before they can be detected on a mammogram, I would be hesitant to totally rely on them.  I will never forget that my mammogram picked up my very early stage bc when it wouldn't even show up on an US.  To me, thermography is just another screening tool to use in the detection process.

  • momoschki
    momoschki Member Posts: 682
    edited April 2012

    Kaara, I am curious since you stated above that you had a thermogram done following a lumpectomy, did the area of the lumpectomy light up in any way?  I just had my first thermogram done and all was clear, except for a portion of the left breast which exactly coincides with where I had a lumpectomy over a year ago.  The doctor (my gynecologist, so not sure just how qualified she is to read these things) insisted that this area was no cause for concern-- that it was an expectable finding for someone with my history.  This still makes me uneasy.  Thoughts?  I am scheduled for an ultrasound next week anyway, so will obviously find out more then.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited April 2012

    Yes..the technican who read my thermography is very experienced, and did note on my report that the area of surgery that was done three months ago was still present and identified it as such.  He did conclude that it was expected to be seen there.  There will always be scar tissue where the lumpectomy was performed so it will probably always show up on the thermography.

  • momoschki
    momoschki Member Posts: 682
    edited April 2012

    Kaara, thanks for your response.  Consistent with what my doctor told me.  The curious thing is that I had the lumpectomy in March of last year, and then in May had a bliateral reduction, so I didn't understand why there would be enhancement from the lumpectomy, but not from the reduction (which is a bigger surgery.)  Anyway, your response is reassuring.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited April 2012

    momoschki:  That's interesting...I would certainly ask that question the next time you see the doctor.

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