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  • galena_79
    galena_79 Member Posts: 107
    edited April 2012

    Hello again Marchers! I have finally finished read all the posts dating back to the 12th of April...

    januaryice- My hair started falling out a few days after Tx2, but I still have ~10% left. I shaved my head, but the 10% is still growing.

    KCB- Woah, you have had a really rough time with super low neutrophils. Sounds like a port would have been really helpful for you. I hope you're doing better now.

    khintul- What did your MO decide about Taxol? I have one more AC to do, and then will have 12 weekly Taxol infusions.

    ladyfighter- Great photos! Nice to see you rocking the bald look. Thank you for sharing. People seem to really like the shape of my head, lol. I think bald makes my eyes look bigger.

    tellie- Grrrrrr, what part of 'private lesson' didn't they understand?!

    MLB- Grrrrrr about your 'friends'. Time to re-evaluate those friendships. I hope you had a blast at the party. :D And what a pain that people post on your facebook page, when you have asked them not to!
    I tell my friends pretty much all of my SEs, but not in great detail, lol. I post things on facebook too.
    Congrats on finishing chemo! I am like you re radiation. I had no lymph node involvement and clear margins, so don't required radiation after I finish chemo.

    kltb04- My port acted up right from Tx1. Actually, it's not the port part, but the catheter. I have to move my arm around to adjust it. Apparently it tends to rest against the blood vessel wall.
    My diet has gone downhill the last few weeks, and now I want donuts. I might go to KO's later. :)
    I actually think the opposite to you about people asking what they can do to help. I prefer them to ask me what I want/need so I can tell them. I don't want them to force something on me that I don't want/need, and then expect me to feel grateful.
    OMG, a skunk! Are they cute, or just nasty things? We don't have them in New Zealand.
    I really LOL'd at your letter to Taco Bell. Another thing we don't have in NZ!

    triplem67- I didn't get around to buying any gingko, but it would have been okay. I just forgot, lol.
    Interesting that you take lots of antibiotics while on chemo. I have only been recommended to get a lot of rest, be careful in crowded places, and be extra vigilant about hygiene.
    Wow, more skunks!
    I LOL'd at your daughter's comment about washing with dish soap. :) I am sure my showers take less than half the time they used to.
    Sorry to hear that you needed some antibiotics infused. I hope that kicked the infection. I don't know what the itching might mean.

    shera- Thanks for the photos. You look gorgeous, with and without hair. The long wig is really funky, and I hope you had a fun anniversary. :D And your sketch is wonderful. I wish I had your talent.
    Are you not writing your blog anymore? I saw it hasn't been updated in a while.
    LOL! I loved the superhero!

    CAYH- Thanks for the photos! Your wig really suits you, great colour and style.
    Thanks also for the links about side effects.

    tc9876- Great news about being BRCA negative. :D

    IndigoMont11- I had a mastectomy on the 10th of January, and then started A/C on the 27th of February. I had plenty of healing time in between, and chemo doesn't seem to have aggravated post-op soreness.

    lostinmo- Yay for shrinkage! That's exactly what we want to hear. :D

    Masserz- I am 32 years old, ER+ and still getting my period. I was 10 when they started.
    I have had almost zero libido since I was diagnosed. It hasn't bothered me, given the circumstances. Cuddling is lovely.
    But it does bother me that my husband shows no interest in anything more than that. I mean, WTF is his excuse?
    I suppose my scars could bother him. He's only touched them when he's helped me change bandages. Now that I'm thinking about it, it makes me feel really unattractive.
    So I don't miss sex, but I do miss being wanted. o_O
    Yay for your wig looking so natural and perfect that people can't tell it's a wig. :D

    lanagraves- Sorry to hear that the anti-nausea meds aren't helping that much. For my 3rd treatment my MO prescribed aprepitant (Emend) for 3 days, and they really helped. I didn't vomit at all. I really hope you can get them.
    I was amazed at the price of those pills, around $50 for each one. But I am so so so thankful that health care is subsidised by the New Zealand government, so it only cost me $3. Also, there is a limit on how much you can spend in a year. After twenty prescription items, your prescriptions are dispensed to you for free. It only took me 3 months to get there this time.

    re sushi- You guys are making me hungry! Omnomnomnom.

    FightingforA- Wishing you all the best with your new chemo regimen. Keep on fighting!
    I can understand that you have been down lately though. I find little random things can snap me out of dark moods. Seeing a flower, a rainbow, or watching my cat sleep could perk me up. Or feeling the warmth of the sun, hearing the windchime ring, tasting something my husband made for me, or reading a nice quote. Focusing on the beauty around me 'right now' helps.

    baldeagle12- I hope your foot has healed up, so you don't have to put off your treatment.
    I have no idea what my neutrophils are. I'll find out before treatment tomorrow. If they dropped low, they should be back up by now. I don't get shots to help bring it back up, and haven't had problems with infections... yet.

    Sissydi- I do wake up feeling hot and sweaty sometimes, but I blame it on the cat sleeping on me. I am still getting my period. For now, anyway.
    I try not to think about how much more time I still have to be on chemo.

    re Television- I bought a Media Player last week so I can plug my portable hard drive to the TV to watch downloaded or shared files. I'm currently watching Freaks and Geeks.

    Bev22- Sorry to hear you needed a blood transfusion, and an iron transfusion! I hope you're doing better now. So nice to hear your wig looks so natural and you seem healthy throughout your chemo.

    onvacation- I hope the rash heals up fast.

    lisak7290- Congrats on being done with chemo! I will be doing Tamoxifen too, but not until August or September. Then doing it for 5 years.

    Sorry that this post is so long! And I'm certain I have missed people too, my apologies.
    Wishing you all small side effects and big smiles.

    Kia kaha,
    Angela

  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited April 2012

    Angela - Freaks and Geeks - that is another show I want to rewatch!  We got a similar thing so that we can play stuff DH downloads on the TV from his computer. 

    And skunks are only considered cute if they are animated, lol, although I am sure my animal loving DD would disagree.  They can carry rabies so they aren't welcome visitors!

    Michelle - the post above reminded me - what happened with the itching?  Did it go away?

  • hopeful123
    hopeful123 Member Posts: 191
    edited April 2012

    Galena - you said you had a period after Tx3. I thought I was the odd one here continuing to have periods (I am done with two rounds of AC). Mine are heavier than normal so they have decided I need to see an ObGyn next week. Getting nervous about this. Hope it isn't anything.

  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited April 2012

    Ok, so I've been reading a lot today about food and breast cancer. Here is an piece of an article from Dr Joel Furhman who wrote "Eat to Live"

    Seven key weapons against breast cancer that work
    Be proactive and adjust your diet and lifestyle to achieve a high level of health, so that any abnormal cells never can overcome your body’s powerful immune defenses.  Early, pre-cancerous changes in the breast can be normalized by nutritional excellence.  Women can prevent breast cancer and even if they have cancer they can significantly increase their survival with nutritional excellence.   Read Eat For Health, understand nutritional excellence. 

    The best way a women can protect themselves from breast cancer is:Do not drink alcohol and of course do not smoke anythingDo not take any type of estrogen, and avoid drugs (especially antibiotics).Have babies and nurse them as long as possible, Eat a high nutrient, vegetable-based diet, with loads of greens as described in my book, Eat For Health.Take sufficient Vitamin D supplementation to drive the blood level to 35 – 50 ng/ml.Use one tablespoon of ground flax seeds daily.Don’t grill or fry foods.  Steaming vegetables or vegetable soups should be the primary modes of cooking.Exercise at least 3 hours a week, and maintain a lean body with little body fat.Green vegetables are the most powerful anti-breast cancer food. Take note that a vegetarian diet does not show protection against breast cancer as much as a diet rich in green vegetables, berries and seeds. Many vegans eat a high glycemic, nutritionally poor diet, and do not take sufficient Vitamin D, leaving themselves at high risk of cancer. It is the phytochemical nutrient density and diversity of the diet that offers the most dramatic protection against cancer, not merely the avoidance of meat or fat.  Close to 300 case-controlled studies show a protective effect of vegetable consumption against cancer and that cruciferous vegetables are the foods with the most powerful anti-cancer effects of all foods.  While eating fresh fruits, beans, vegetables, seeds and nuts have been all been shown in scientific studies to reduce occurrence of cancer, cruciferous vegetables are different.  Instead of a 1 to 1 relationship they have 1 to 2 relationship with a wide variety of human cancers.  In other words, as plant food intake goes up 20% in a population, cancer rates typically drop 20%, but as cruciferous vegetables go up 20%, cancer rates drop 40%.7 

    Bottom line, eat lots of greens and don’t forget to take your Vitamin D every day.

    I can't do much about the babies part, but I can certainly work on some of the others that I fall short on.

     Anyway, thought it was interesting and wanted to share with you guys! 

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited April 2012

    Hi Galena! Nice to hear from you. Is your closing greeting Maori? I've never been to New Zealand but seen a lot of it on movies/TV. Another poster told me they are filming The Hobbit there, too. Sure looks beautiful.



    My surgery was just under 6 weeks ago but seems like so much longer ago than that.

  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited April 2012

    Hopeful - still having regular periods here as well after 2 rounds. Guess I need to bring it up to MO?

  • hopeful123
    hopeful123 Member Posts: 191
    edited April 2012

    Ktb04- let me know if your MO says anything. I see Obgyn next Thursday and will post what I learn.

  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited April 2012

    Hopeful - Because I cannot let things go, I have been researching the period thing for the last several minutes. ;) found the issue posted on several boards here and other places and there are people that say they didn't stop periods til later in chemo or that theirs was heavier than normal. Also read that you are more likely to go into "chemo pause" the closer you are to menopause. I'm only 38 and regular as clockwork still.



    So I am still going to mention it. I don't think mine have been much heavier than usual. Or maybe they have been slightly heavier but they don't last any longer. Not like some I was reading about. I had forgotten I even got mine this month until I remembered oldest DD stayed home from school a couple weeks ago because of cramps and then I started the same day.

  • suziel65
    suziel65 Member Posts: 2
    edited April 2012

    Hi Ladies,

    I had chemo ACX4 and taxolX4 then bilateral mastectomy and reconstruction and radiation for a month.  It sucked, but it all does get better.  I have stage IV at 40 years old and no family history.  Always exercised, ate right, never drank or smoked.  Oh well.  Just remember what ever they say, do not worry.  You are not a statistic.  You are a individual.  Not just a number.  You will get through this as I did.  I had a small child and worked full time.  I am a registered nurse.  It took me almost a year and half but went back to work I am back and you will be too.  You do matter and we all here care about you.   God Bless and hugs and kisses to you all

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited April 2012

    Galena

    Good to hear from you!  Re your hubby, he's probably taking his cues from you, try not to stress about it thinking the worst.  I can only speak for my self but I know for me the whole sex thing is totally on the back burner at the moment.  While I am looking forward to getting my mojo back, DH and I had a conversation about it not long ago, its me not him.  I'm not feeling particularly sexy these days and it really has nothing to do with my missing boob because it wasn't an issue pre chemo.  Its more about the baldness, the fatigue, the diarrea LOL!  He's been pretty good about it and I don't feel like he like he wouldn't be in like Flynn in a heartbeat, but he's waiting on me.  Thanks for the congrats too.  I'm beginning to feel the energy returning so I'll keep you posted on how that goes.

    suziel65

    Thanks for popping in with words of encouragement

    onvacation

    I think the list is a good one to live by but I really can't imagine a life without some good red wine, occasionally eating BBQ and having some cake once in a while.  I do smoke which is something I swear I am going to rectify soon, something I promised myself when DX.  Even my doc said once you get over the stress of TX etc we will hit this next.  I'm nearly 50 and never had children so not much I can do either in that regard.  Personally I think getting BC is a total crapshoot and while some behaviours may or may not contribute, no one really knows at the end of the day why some get it and some dont.  I have no history in my family at all.  Like suzie says about, you can do everything right and still end up being DX.  I do however really think there is a big link between Vitamin D and BC though.

  • joyful57
    joyful57 Member Posts: 3
    edited April 2012

    Just started my chemo TCH x 6 plus herceptin to continue for 12 months and radiation for five weeks.  Mastectomy march 2012 her2 positive 4 of 10 nodes positive... Any advise welcome concerning what to expect. Day 4 tomorrow so expecting to bit the brick wall.  It is going.to be able journey for sure.  

  • MichelleMassey
    MichelleMassey Member Posts: 213
    edited April 2012

    Klt-Thanks for asking.  My little trip to the ER is turning into a nightmare.  The rash, redness, and swelling has gone away pretty much.  I didn't want to let them stick my port at the ER because the nurse really didn't have a clue. I told them to give me an IV but she said they had to stick it to check for infection.  Anyways, long story short, my port is now raised up and part of the catheter is sticking out of my skin.  I see my MO monday so I'll find out what's going on.  But if they have to redo my port there's going to be one pissed off bald woman in northern cali! 

  • shera
    shera Member Posts: 184
    edited April 2012

    sounds like Crazy Tazey is the winner! Now I want to change her expression from 'bland indifference' to 'hot flash trigger-happy insane warrior be---otch!'



    I too learned the theory about visualizing colors for different things... the idea being that there is a frequency or vibration to each. I visualize violet for healing...based on the teachings ... but that's pretty close to purple.



    "borrowing from the future" is the perfect way to describe it. I learned the hard way... felt great one sunny day and did a lot of walking and visiting with people and worked on a deadline... and literally could not get out of bed in the morning... paid back for that for a few days.



    onvacation... thanks for great info on diet and veggies!



    galena... you have one more tx right? my last is on Wednesday... hope its not as bad as round 3 was. I am still blogging... but moved blog to word press when I learned my xhubby found the blogger link. new link: http://fleetingglances.wordpress.com/

  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited April 2012

    MLB what I am going to work on with the food, is even though I will have some wine I will try and make an effort to get more green veggies in my diet because I think that is the key!  I also smoke, and decided it was too stressful to quit during treatment,(and the doctor agreed) but will be quit for good by the time I finish.  I really struggle with smoking with cancer - just doesn't make sense, but I've smoke since 20 and I'm 51!  So it is time!

     I am by no means perfect in my diet, or even close, but since i am triple negative, there is no magic pill for me to take after treatment, so food and exercise is the only thing I can do! 

  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited April 2012

    Lynn - thanks for the articles!

  • lostinmo
    lostinmo Member Posts: 922
    edited April 2012

    MLB and onvacation, unfortunately I also smoke, but between the stress and the steroids it's safer for everyone if I wait some to try and quit.  Hopefully I can when it's surgery time.I have tried really hard to increase my green veggies though. The rest of my diet, not so good I like too many things. And I like my occasional margarita.The vitamin d I'm doing now, so I will continue with that.  I did have 1 baby, but was over 30 and breastfeeding didn't work (no milk). Antibiotics would require going to a Dr. and we know I don't do that well. Took me 9 months to get the lump checked. My bad.

    Last week I went a picked up a wig.  It has more hair that I ever have had and feels wierd. Not sure I will ever wear it, but it was free. Signed up for the LGFB class for the 7th. 

    Trying to figure out what to do for DS 14th birthday, it's the day after my next TX, so don't know what to plan. Suggestions anyone?

  • hopeful123
    hopeful123 Member Posts: 191
    edited April 2012

    Kltb04- I saw some of those posts from 2010. I agree with you about it being related to age. I am 44 and my mother started menopause in late 50's. Good luck with Tx tomorrow.

    Michelle- yikes. I hope it is just a simple adjustment. Hate it when people are incompetent.

    Shera - like crazy Tazey too.

    Lost- my son's is turning 10 this week. Decided I couldn't do a sleepover so booked a sports party at the Rec. It is more expensive but at least I don't have to do anything. Kltb04 managed to do a sleepover and may be able to give you more input on that.

  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited April 2012

    suzie - thanks for the info and popping in - always helps to hear from someone has been there.

    Michelle - omg, what a nightmare - :(  that sounds awful...

    lost - that is the way I feel about my wig - maybe someone could thin it out for you...did I tell y'all I tried to make a halo or hairpiece out of one of my wigs and ended up with a mess and a ruined wig?

    Thanks for all the links to articles!  I think that making positive changes couldn't hurt but a lot of it is a crap shoot.  That said, I feel about my diet the way that some of you are about smoking.  I simply cannot deal with it until TX is done - I have real issues with some foods.  And the thought of food is the only thing that gets me through some days.  Never smoked so that isn't an issue.

    Alcohol - sigh - that is the only thing I HAVE quit (for now)...that was/is a huge guilt issue for me because I was raised in a teetotaller home/family and never drank til I was an adult and then I overdid it at times.  Then I would read some of the research coming out about alcohol and BC and then feel REALLY guilty.  So that is one thing that I have cut out for now but feel an occasional drink probably isn't going to be any worse for me than all the crappy food I consume.  I definitely won't go back to the way too many drinks karaoke parties SIL and I would have though :) 

    Was supposed to be going to the inlaws today - last good day before TX# 3 tomorrow - but DH decided he had too much to do at home.  Yay me! Tongue out  So I am just working on some random things around the house...got laundry and ironing caught up yesterday cause I thought we were going to be gone all day.

    PS - watching a sitcom and they are playing "Total Eclipse of the Heart - damn, I could really rock that song on drunk karaoke - sigh...good times...

  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited April 2012

    oops missed one - joyful57 - welcome to our little club...I found days 3-5 to be the worst...more SE from the Nuelasta shot than the actual chemo at times...

    edited to add - missed the birthday party subject too lost - um, 14 yo boy - out of my wheelhouse.    Maybe if he is wanting more than just a meal and a cake, put it off til your next good weekend??

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited April 2012

    joyful

    Welcome to the club no one wants to belong to.  I agree that your "wall" time is likely now.  Sleep when you need to, drink as much water as you can, take the stool softeners and every anti nausea med you have been prescribed even if you don't feel sick. You should start to feel more "normal" around day 6-7.

     I'm not sure if you going to have the Neulasta or Neupagen shot to bring up your WBC, but alot including me experienced major bone pain from that. Although I didn't take it TX1, Clariton 24 hour was like a miracle drug for me anyway.  Double check with your MO though. 

    Re Diet

    I love food LOL!  While I could stand to lose 20 pounds I was never a lover of take out food like McDonalds or anything like that.  Now if its something ethnic like Swarmas, dim sum, sushi, west indian, thai I'm all in.  I think this is from having Irish parents that thought black pepper was the only spice on earth LOL!  I loved my Moms cooking, who doesn't but it was a pretty bland diet.  Fish and chips was about the only take out available back then.

    The majority of it is actually not bad nutritionally really if you stay away from the fried fare.  I'm also a green veggie nutcase.  Love my veggies, always have.  I think my biggest downfall in prior years was red meat and bacon even though that would only be on weekends.  In the year prior to being DX bacon was banished and red meat was down to once a week.  Even sweets weren't my thing until I as DX'd.  I have never been much of a pop (soda) drinker either. 

    I'm going to check into one of those organic veggie delivery services where you get whats in season and local and investigate buying organic meat and chicken in bulk to offset the expense and try to eat sustainable fish etc.  Lose the white stuff re bread, pasta etc. and make sure I'm fitting in the exercise.  I used to have a job where I commuted via train and I would walk to the office from the station. Just doing this alone got me 45 minutes of walking a day.  Made a 10 pound difference in weight from where I am now just doing that alone. When I supplemented going to the gym (although you can do it from home) with weight training and some more cardio it as another 10 pounds gone and my body composition was so different.  I still have some clothes from then and if I did all this I wouldn't need to buy anything for summer.  That alone along with quitting smoking would pay for the organic food.

    Losing a bit of weight could lower my estrogen levels too.  I'm menopausal now so its fat and adrenals really driving estrogen not my ovaries. I'm also downsizing my life.  DH and I are preparing our house as I type to get it ready to sell. Way to much house for 2 people, who needs it. I certainly don't.  I want to spend the next 10 years travelling and such, not spend all my time tending to a house that I have no one to leave it to and worrying if my lawn is as nice as my retired neighbor.  I'm done with keeping up with the Jones'.  I worked so much in the last 8 years to keep up that we havn't even taken much of a vacation other than perhaps a long weekend getaway. Not good for the soul and its all going to change.  This I will thank BC for.

  • lostinmo
    lostinmo Member Posts: 922
    edited April 2012
    MLB  I'm all for selling the house, buy an RV and travel, travel, travel.  That's our plan to hit the road again as soon as I'm done with all this mess.  I can't wait!
  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited April 2012
    Lostinmo- DS's 14th Birthday--- that's a toughie.... My son just turned 18 yrs.  In our house, you get to celebrate your birthday for at least a week which means dinner out before the actual birthday and whatever else.  He asked for a birthday home cooked dinner and homemade cake which I was able to do.  Before my chemo started and when I was able to get out more, I bought his birthday cards and a few presents.  It wasn't much but he seemed pretty happy that we were all together.  He is pretty understanding person and knew I could physically only do so much.
  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited April 2012

    Morning all!  I wish I didn't love food, but I do.  All kinds, actually, although except for my TB lapse last week, I don't do that much fast food at all.  (Is Chipotle fast food?)  The mention of Indian food is making me think of that - is there such a thing as brown basmati rice? 

    Anyway, to whoever said hitting the wall-so this is day 10 for me and not feeling any worse at all, except for being mindful of the whole white-count business.

    Lostinmo, I raised two boys - sitting here remembering what we did for their 14 birthdays.  They both love cheesecake, so I either made them a special cake - whatever kind they wanted to try - or, as we generally do now, we have a meal together at the Cheesecake Factory (hmmm, still with the food!). 

    I had one son who was quite the athlete and played competitive inline hockey for years, and another who's more of an introvert/not team player, who had just one or two close friends.  Boys that age usually like doing stuff with their friends a lot but aren't old enough to drive themselves anywhere. For the sport kid, we did get togethers at a local rec center where the kids could swim, play games and eat to their heart's content.  We also did bowling, and backyard barbecues, and sleepovers.  And trips to see a movie. 

    If you are looking for a family based activity, though, I'd go with cake and a special meal at home or out, whatever you are up to.

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited April 2012
    Lostinmo, one other thing - I do understand that options are limited if you're in a smaller town vs the city. I grew up in a town with a population of around 3,000 - and since I was more like DS#2 (introverted, not a lot of friends) there wasn't that much to do for me, without going all the way to St. Louis.  We were lucky enough, living in the city now, to have choices - we would have been more doing the meals and sleepovers if we'd been in a smaller town.  I'll bet the boys would have been just about as happy most of the time.  Smile
  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited April 2012

    kltb04 - Smile.  glad for you and yours that you are not spending today on the road. 

    I should be doing housework.  I'd just rather not.

    Michelle - yikes about the port.  I'd be mad, too.  I've learned that my "neighborhood" Kaiser clinic isn't equipped with techs that can access ports for blood draws, so from here on out, I go in to the infusion office an hour before treatment to do that.  That's okay - don't want anyone poking around who doesn't know what they are doing. I hope you get to stay away from the ER after this. 

  • IndigoMont11
    IndigoMont11 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited April 2012
    Thanks, suziel, for the encouragement!  Glad you have completed your treatment and surgery and are moving on!  Smile
  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited April 2012
    IndigoMont11-  I hear you about the food thing.  Just don't start watching the food network.... omg....I'm making oatmeal cookies with lots of extra stuff later so I can at least snack on something healthy!!! 
  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited April 2012

    As far as food, I agree that most of my "better" eating will happen after treatment, though I try to get the veggies in now for the fibre to keep things moving!  I am sure it counteracts the crap i eat during treatments!

    On another note, I wore a buff for the first time today, and it was very comfy.  I also think I looked like a bad a$$!  Cool 

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited April 2012

    YAY for Buffs!!!! I bet you do look really bad a$$!!!! Perhaps a little biker chic....

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