Can MLD cause lymph node swelling?

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etherize
etherize Member Posts: 423
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

Well, if it ain't one thing, it's another.  I've been doing MLD every day after my shower.  Two or three days ago while doing MLD I noticed pain in my unaffected armpit and thought I'd just been doing the massage a little too hard.  I had an appt with a RO who did a breast and lymph node exam and he didn't notice anything (and I forgot about the pain).  

Then yesterday morning I noticed a chickpea-sized painful lump in that armpit.  I did MLD more gently, trying to avoid the lump and by yesterday evening there was another, smaller lump right next to it.  

I made a dr appt for tomorrow (I'm so SICK of doctors!!) but I'm wondering if the MLD caused this or what ... Have any of you every come across something like this?

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  • cbm
    cbm Member Posts: 475
    edited April 2012

    I had a similar lump appear in my armpit, and both my gynecologist's p.a. and my oncologist expressed concern.  However, I am prone to infections that look a lot like scary lumps, and a course of Keflex reduced the lump to nothing.  The MLD you were doing could have inspired a little infection in the area, like a troubled hair follicle--which is usually how mine begin.  

    Mine was not a node, as I have no nodes there.  My infection lumps are always painful to the touch. Keflex is my antibiotic of choice.

    Cathy 

  • etherize
    etherize Member Posts: 423
    edited April 2012

    Thanks for the reply, Cathy.  I hope that's all it is, and antibiotics can clear it up.   I don't think I could take another big health problem right now. :(

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited April 2012

    Etherize, I agree with Cathy that this is not likely a big health issue. Lymph nodes can swell for any number of benign reasons -- infection of some kind is one possibility. But done correctly, MLD is more likely to reduce infection risk than cause it.

    It's hard to get MLD pressure right, partly because we're so earnest about it. It just seems as though more pressure is better for moving the stupid lymph fluid along. But in fact, the lymph vessels are delicate and they lie just below the skin, so too much pressure smushes them instead of opening them up the way we hope to do. The right amount of pressure is just what you'd use to pet a kitten -- not even a full-grown cat. Think kitten, and think slooooooow. As Kira's therapist famously says, the lymph system is slow and stupid. Kitten-petting gentle and stupid-slow is what's called for.Undecided

    Sometimes it's easier if you turn the lights down, light a sweet-smelling candle and play some slow mood music while you do MLD. Make it a home spa treatment!Kiss

    Let us know what the doc has to say.

    Hugs,
    Binney

  • etherize
    etherize Member Posts: 423
    edited April 2012

    Thanks so much, Binney.  I will remember the gentle/slow bit -- your visuals make it easier.  The PT who demonstrated MLD on us in class seemed to do it a little bit more "vigorously" than kitten-petting, but I bet it was because she was in a bit of a hurry, and demonstrating on us through our clothes.

    Anyway, there are three lumps now but they don't hurt as much so I bet I just worked something up. Or maybe my right side lymph nodes just swelled in sympathy for the left side ones that will soon be irradiated into oblivion. ;-) 

  • etherize
    etherize Member Posts: 423
    edited April 2012

    Just to follow up on this ... the lumps started going down and becoming less painful about as fast as they appeared -- so fast that I cancelled my doctor appointment.  I must have just overdone it.  

    Binney, I've been thinking about your advice (SLOW and GENTLE) every day when I do MLD.  :-) Thanks so much to you and cbm for the responses. 

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited April 2012

    Whew! Always such a relief when things clear up quickly like that.Cool

    Be well!
    Binney

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited April 2012

    I have to say two things about my lymph nodes on my uninvolved side - they DO swell up when either of these things happen: I am doing wrapping and MLD and fluid is being routed to that side (at which point I gently clear them) OR when I am getting sick. Isn't that bizarre? I know when I am getting any kind of virus before it hits because those nodes will get uncomfortable. It seems that my body really feels the strain of taking on the extra fluid that can no longer be taken up by my involved side. Interesting phenomenon... ;). But you are definitely not alone!

  • KS1
    KS1 Member Posts: 632
    edited April 2012

    Etherize & Nordy, Since developing LE, the  groin LNs on my LE arm side are visible from 10 feet.  I'm thin, but that's not the whole story because they are not visible on the non LE side.  My take is that the groin nodes are working overtime to compensate for the axilliary nodes that where slashed & burned into oblivion.  I had a PET scan 8 months ago and the groin nodes didn't light up.

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited April 2012

    Etherize- I had something similar, went to myBS and had ultrasound done on them. They said they were lymphoceles which are little sacs of lymph fluid. Nothing needed to be done with them. Not saying yours are the same thing but they could be. They are like pea sized lumps up in the area where the breast would connect with the underarm. Mine are still there 2 months later.

  • etherize
    etherize Member Posts: 423
    edited April 2012

    Well, I'm sure learning about lymph nodes!  I hope my groin ones don't swell up like yours, KS1. That sounds a little disturbing -- even if it's normal, I wouldn't like to see it. ;-)

    Funny story:  my husband, who's a bit of a hypochondriac, noticed a sore lymph node in his neck (just on one side).  He convinced himself it was strep throat, or tonsillitis or something ... but also thought it might relate to keeping his head turned while playing guitar all day.  

    He sounded a little stuffy, so I "diagnosed" it as a cold virus that wasn't able to move through that node because of his head being turned.  Told him to do some of my LE exercises (not MLD -- just muscle pump, breathing, etc.).  Sure enough, that made him feel better, psychologically and physically.  I don't know if I "diagnosed" it correctly -- but after all this lymph node stuff, I sure have a lot more respect for the little buggers! :)  

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