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  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2012

    Johns Hopkins will not participate in clinical trials on brachytherapy. I have always wondered why. I was given the choice, but chose whole breast radiation therapy for my left side. Two years out and so far no regrets or problems. Much of the data for whole breast radiation is very old. With newer machines it would be interesting to compare the data from whole breast radiation from 10 and 20 years ago. I am inclined to believe that it has improved significantly causing fewer issues.

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    Our hospital was part of the trial for mammosite 15 years ago.  It is now standard treatment.  Don't know the statistics here but the RO was very enthusiastic.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2012

    My understanding is that Mammosite is still experimental and not standard of care.

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    Well, it’s not on trial here anymore.  A huge number of women have had it but you need to fit the parameters.  I will ask the RO when I see him next Tuesday.  Are they doing it overseas?

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    Here is an article from 2008.  FDA approved in 2002.  Not enough time has passed for definitive results.  It is a trade off especially with those of us with left breast DCIS.  Still, the informaton is four years old and there must be tons more mommosites since then.

    http://www.healthcentral.com/breast-cancer/c/78/48049/mammosite-work

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2012

    Regardless of how many women have had the procedure, my understanding is that it is still considered experimental.    In order to participate in the trial you have to fit the parameters. The latest data is causing controversy.  Hopefully, once enough data is accrued, we will know once and for all how effective it is compared to whole breast radiation.I wish all women who participate in clinical trials well.  They are very courageous.

  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited April 2012

    Theyve been doing it overseas for longer than the US.  The data and study from 2007-8 is pretty outdated - and was done on women with INVASIVE breast cancers, over the age of 66 who were on Medicare - a more random study would tell so much more.  And 4 or 5 years is a long time in the medical world.....a lot has happened.  Insurance would not cover it if it were experimental.  There is no "latest data" that is controversial, except this one study.  

    I too will get a lot of questions answered on Friday when I meet with the RO.  Itll be great to make an informed decision that is right for me....hard to decipher things on the net  

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2012

    Shayne. I am not trying to be argumentative. Here in the States, Mammosite IS experimental. And, at the most recent San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium, the latest study caused controversy. Patients do need to make an informed choice and need to discuss this info with their surgeon and radiation oncologist.

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    Yes, and that study had a lot of flaws.  Remember that professonals have to publish or perish or lose advancement.  Consequently, we get a lot of suspicious studies.

    I don't get that Norwegian study that says half of "older" women who do not get radiation are still alive 10 years later.  Sounds not bad but how old is older and what happened to the other 50%?  Did they die of cancer?  

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    voraciousreader

    What treatment did you decide upon?  Is it working for you?

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2012

    The findings from the San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium were concerning enough for the folks at breastcancer.org, that this is what they said:

    Brachytherapy May Not Be as Effective as Whole-Breast Radiation in Reducing Recurrence Risk

    Radiation therapy commonly is used after lumpectomy to treat early-stage breast cancer and reduce the risk of the cancer coming back (recurrence). Brachytherapy is a newer form of radiation therapy and an alternative to traditional whole-breast external beam radiation therapy. Brachytherapy delivers a higher dose of radiation to a smaller area of the breast over a shorter period of time compared to traditional (external beam) radiation therapy. Doctors sometimes refer to brachytherapy as accelerated partial breast irradiation (APBI).

    Brachytherapy use has been increasing steadily since it was first approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 2002. Still, many experts have been concerned about the increase because there aren't many long-term studies that show that brachytherapy works as well as traditional radiation therapy.

    Now results from a large study suggest that brachytherapy may not be as effective as whole-breast radiation therapy at preventing breast cancer recurrence. Women in the study who got brachytherapy after lumpectomy for early-stage breast cancer were nearly twice as likely to later have a mastectomy because of cancer recurrence compared to women who got traditional whole-breast radiation therapy.

    The results were presented at the 2011 San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium.

    Traditional external beam radiation therapy aims cancer-destroying energy at the whole breast or to the area of the breast where the cancer was. The source of the radiation is outside the breast, which is why it's called "external beam." Many studies have shown the long- and short-term effectiveness of external beam radiation therapy. The drawbacks of traditional radiation therapy include daily trips to the hospital for treatments -- typically 5 days a week for 4 to 6 weeks. Traditional radiation therapy also has a large field and may expose healthy tissue, such as the heart and lungs, to radiation.

    To overcome the drawbacks of traditional radiation therapy, doctors have developed different ways to deliver radiation. Brachytherapy places the radiation source inside the breast. Two types of brachytherapy are used right now and another is experimental. They are:

    • Multi-catheter internal radiation, also called interstitial needle-catheter brachytherapy. This approach uses radioactive "seeds" to deliver radiation directly to the area where the cancer was. The seeds are placed in very small tubes (catheters) that are stitched into place under the skin. The seeds are left in the tubes for a few hours or a few days. You remain in the hospital during treatment. Once the treatment is completed, the seeds, tubes, and stitches are removed and you go home.
    • Balloon internal radiation, known by the brand name MammoSite. This approach places a special tube with a balloon on one end in the breast where the cancer was. The tube comes out of the skin through a small hole. The tube and balloon are placed either during lumpectomy or afterward in a surgeon's office. During each treatment, a machine places a radioactive seed into the center of the balloon for 5 to 10 minutes -- just long enough to deliver the required dose of radiation. After the seed is removed, you may leave the treatment center. A total of 10 treatments are usually given over 5 days. That means two treatments per day, about 6 hours apart. When the final treatment is done, the balloon and tube are removed through the small hole in the skin.
    • 3-D conformal external beam radiation (3DCRT). This experimental approach starts with a planning session (simulation). A special MRI or CAT scan of the breast is done and is used to map out small treatment fields for the area at risk. The type and distribution of radiation is designed to maximize the dose to the area that needs to be treated and avoid or minimize radiation to tissue near the area. The radiation is delivered with a linear accelerator, the same machine used in traditional external radiation, twice a day for 1 week.

    To see if brachytherapy was as good as traditional whole-breast radiation, researchers reviewed the treatment histories and outcomes of more than 130,000 women diagnosed with early-stage breast cancer who had lumpectomy to remove the cancer. All the women had radiation therapy after surgery -- either traditional whole-breast radiation therapy or brachytherapy (multi-catheter internal radiation therapy or MammoSite).

    The researchers looked to see how many women had mastectomy during the 5 years after lumpectomy and radiation:

    • 4% of women treated with brachytherapy after lumpectomy later had mastectomy.
    • 2.2% of women treated with whole-breast radiation therapy later had mastectomy.

    Overall, complications from brachytherapy were much higher than with traditional whole-breast radiation therapy:

    • 9.6% of women treated with brachytherapy needed hospitalization during or after treatment compared to 5.7% of women treated with whole-breast radiation therapy.
    • 8.1% of women treated with brachytherapy developed an infection related to treatment compared to 4.5% of women treated with whole-breast radiation therapy.

    Other treatment complications -- such as rib fracture, breakdown of fat in the breast (fat necrosis), breast pain, and inflammation in the lungs -- were more likely among women treated with brachytherapy.

    Some of the higher complication rates may be because brachytherapy requires a device to be implanted under the skin.

    Besides being a quicker way to deliver radiation therapy, many doctors like brachytherapy because the radiation delivery is focused, potentially avoiding exposing healthy tissue to radiation. Even though brachytherapy is becoming more popular, experts continue to warn that right now there's not enough evidence to confidently conclude that brachytherapy is as effective and safe as traditional whole-breast radiation therapy.

    The results of this study suggest that this caution makes sense. Still, some experts feel that the results reflect early use of brachytherapy and that doctors are now better at using brachytherapy more effectively and safely. Several very large, well-designed studies are currently being done to evaluate the short-term and long-term effectiveness and safety of brachytherapy compared to traditional whole-breast radiation therapy. It will be several years before the results are available.

    If you've been diagnosed with early-stage breast cancer, are having lumpectomy, and will be receiving radiation therapy after surgery, you and your doctor may consider brachytherapy as an alternative to traditional external beam radiation therapy. Perhaps the daily trips to the treatment center would be a burden because of distance. Talk to your doctors about their experience with brachytherapy compared to traditional radiation therapy. You also may want to ask about their familiarity with the technical aspects of delivering brachytherapy since placement of the catheters or balloon is a skill that can take some time to master.

    The Breastcancer.org Radiation Therapy section has more information on both traditional external beam radiation therapy and brachytherapy

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2012

    I was offered brachytherapy in early 2010 and declined.  I chose whole breast radiation for my LEFT breast.  So far, I have had no issues.

  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited April 2012

    Sorry - not trying to be argumentative either.....just saying that a study such as the SA one - which is not random.....is hardly enough to base claims that brachy is "experimental".  

    Glad external rad worked out for you without SE.  Thats what we all want, the best choice for our individual situations.....bc they are as different as the options available.   

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2012

    Shayne... I think you misunderstand the clinical meaning of the word "experimental.". Despite being approved for usage, there are still clinical trials comparing brachytherapy. Anyone who chooses it here in the States needs to be informed that it is "experimental.". The folks at the San Antonio Symposium did not arbitrarily choose to refer to it as "experimental."

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    What does it take to be no longer expreimental?

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2012

    That's a great question! In this situation I am not sure what the answer is. Because they are doing whole breast radiation for a long time, there is lots of data confirming the pros and cons of it. The data collected so far regarding brachytherapy is not as robust. Not sure how long the trials are projected for, nor am I familiar with how many patients are needed to be accrued and followed for how long. All I do know is that the latest material submitted at the most recent San Antonio Symposium WAS controversial and everything that I have read since leaves a lot to be discovered.

  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited April 2012

    I think Id rather trust a physician who is familiar with both types of radiation treatment, and is up on the latest stats on both, and the side effects.  Not some study from 4 years ago that was done on a select group of people with a different type of cancer & age group.  

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2012

    The study is ongoing and they expect a report at the conclusion of ten years. Afterwards, they will be able to compare head to head. The study presented at San Antonio was looking at data of 130,000 patients. San Antonio breast cancer symposium is the leading conference of its kind and attended by physicians from all over the world. My surgeon and radiation oncologist were very capable in explaining the pros and cons of both procedures and this was a year before the latest findings. No physician can conclude that brachytherapy is as effective or more effective than whole breast radiation at this time and that is why it is STILL considered experimental.



    The study is NOT 4 years old. The study was published in 2011 based on information gathered a few years before. More data is being accrued and will be presented at a future date and then compared to whole breast radiation.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2012

    Regarding differences in sample population characteristics... That is always a problem in clinical trials and often makes it difficult to extrapolate relevant information. That's where a good, experienced doctor comes into play. They look at the available data and then try to decide if it is relevant to you.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited April 2012

    I am looking into Partial breast radiation ...not sure yet whether I will be a  good candidate.  This is at MassGeneral and is 5 days 2x a  day- no balloon insertion at all.

    I am told you would be lying on your STOMACH!

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    That sounds like the position for a biopsy.  Is this the way they do all radiation?  Best of luck to you. 

    Seems like we are all funneled into this mill in some kind of factory.  My arrangements have been very uncoordinated.. Supposedly my cancer team.  Funny, they are all playing different games by different rules.

  • Cherilynn64
    Cherilynn64 Member Posts: 342
    edited April 2012

    Infobabe,

    I was put on Tamoxifen 10mg once a day on March 2. So far no side effects. Haven't had one hot flash, no joint pain, none of the usual major reactions. Keeping my fingers crossed. Since you are Post-menopausal, you would be put on an aromatase inhibitor like Arimidex for 5 years.

    Voracious, brachytherapy is approved by many insurance companies for women over 50 and for my insurance company they did for over 45 based on the recommendations of the American Council of Breast Surgeons. It is standard therapy for a specific patient, which I happened to be (I met 100% of the qualifiations except being 47 I was originally considered too young). They don't approve it normally for younger women b/c anyone under 50 is considered high risk with a more aggressive breast cancer, so their theory is that the whole breast radiation would cover a bigger area theoretically killing more invasive cancer cells. My insurance covered it 100% and does not consider it experimental nor did I need any kind of prior approval for it. I had the SAVI not Mammosite but it's the same type of device. Most insurance companies want 20 years of data from a longitudinal study before approving a procedure and the internal catheter is close to being there.

    The next generation of internal radiation has already been used (and I saw one woman on these forums who had it). They will be dosing the entire course of radiation in one big localized dose right after the tumor is removed from lumpectomy. That's considered experimental and in clinical trials.  

    Cheri 

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    Boy, I would like to have that one time dose.  Stringing it out is what is driving me nuts.  I thought I would like to be checked in the night before, and have it ali done the next day, like we used to.

    Not only am I Post-menopausal, I had a complete hysterectomy 33 years ago.  I have not been pumping out hormones for a long time.  Ironically, I was on Evista to prevent bone loss for several years but switched to Fosamax.  Sorry I did not stay on the Evista and I might not be here now, but the study was not completed then.  I am 100% hormone receptive.  Must be geting estrogem from fat and adrenals.  Animal products are laden with hormones too.  Better to be as vegitarian as you can.

    Thanks for the good info. 

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2012

    Cherilynn... You are correct. Brachytherapy has been approved for a group of women who meet specific criteria. However, it is STILL considered experimental as they accrue the data to compare it to whole breast radiation. When i was offered it, I met all the criteria and was also told it was still experimental. It doesn't mean that it's bad because it is experimental. All I am saying is that more data needs to be evaluated before physicians can conclude its efficacy compared to whole breast radiation and patients need to be made aware of that. The San Antonio lecture DID cause great controversy. Physicians and researchers are continuing to monitor the outcomes.. as they should. Again, I wish everyone who chooses to participate in trials well.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2012

    NCCN guidelines also state that it should be offered to patients with low risk of recurrence and also noted that It be performed only as part of perspective trial.

  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited April 2012

    Thank you Cherilynn for your wise imput!

  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited April 2012

    Talked to a doc friend of mine, radiologist - who mentioned one interesting fact....seed radiation therapy or brachy therapy for prostate cancer has been around since 1911.....its not a new idea - just relatively new to breast cancer.  Got lots of great info from him....

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    We have a friend who was seeded for prostate about 20 years ago.  He is in his 80s now and still going strong.  I was very impressed with his treatment, and happy for him too.

    Well, tomorrow is the big day. I get the delayed lumectomy.  I hope it will be all margin and no pathology.   If I am lucky that way, it will raise a whole new set of questions.

    Today, I had the stitches taken out from my tooth extraction last Tuesday.  Never had a tooth out in my entire life but it would have to happen on the eve of my long awaited surgery.   I hope to check in tomorrow to report the latest.  Thank you all for your interest and support.  I do haunt these boards.

  • Vicks1960
    Vicks1960 Member Posts: 473
    edited April 2012

    Infobabe

    Will send up extra prayers for you tomorrow.  I hope the Path. report is all clean!!!!!

    I had oral surgery early Feb. this year (5 stitches in gum above the tooth area)  Sure feels better now than it did before the surgery..  Good to have it as history, right?

    Again will pray for you and the your medical team that they will do what is best for you!!!!!!

    {{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}

    Vickie

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    All your support means a lot to me.

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