Oncotype Score 27.....chemo?
I was dx'd with DCIS Grade 3 last summer, had lumpectomy and finished rads Dec 14th. First followup mammo in Feb. Now dx'd with multifocal BC in opposite breast. IDC (1.2cm) Stage T1b, NO(1+) (some itc's noted), Grade 3, and ILC 0.7cm Stage T1a. I had lumpectomy on 3/23. I am 48 years old, peri-menopausal, BRCA neg, strong family hx. Started Tamoxifen on 2/1. My oncotype is 27. My oncologist said it's up to me whether or not I want to do chemo because I'm in the upper- end of the intermediate range. Of course I don't WANT to do chemo. Do most women choose to do it with these circumstances? My husband doesn't want me to do it because the doc said there's only a 4% chance of reduction in reocurrance with chemo. MO said he'd do TCx4 if I did choose to do it. I'm really torn.. I do have an appt for a second opinion on Tuesday. If you had similar stats, what was your decision?
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I am sorry for all you've been through so far and that you found yourself joining our group.
As much as it sucks...do the chemo.
My oncotype RS was 18 and I did 4 rounds of TC. It is very doable and they give you so many anti nausea meds I never got sick. The worst part of course is losing your hair but it grows back pretty fast. I went to Chemocare.com which had a lot of very helpful tips on getting through chemo. I ate a lot of protein which really helped keep my counts up.
Hang in there its a tough journey but we are all here for you. Feel free to PM me anytime if you have specific questions.
Hugs to you
Diane
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rn4babies,
It looks like we are very similar in our diagnosis. I had bilateral, mixed ductal and lobular, 1.3 and 2 cm (stage 1c, multifocal) 44 yrs old, strong family history. My oncotype's were 13 and 25. My oncologist took my case to the tumor board and 2/3 said do chemo and 1/3 were strongly against it. I got a second and third opinion. They all said do chemo, two wanted TC x 4 and the doctor from MSK wanted me to do dose dense AC +T (which really scared me). I did the TC x 4 (finished 1 year ago) and had radiation (all after a bilateral mastectomy). The chemo wasn't fun for sure, I had a hard time, but now 1 year later it feels like a long time ago and I can say I did everything I could to prevent recurrance.
Let me tell you those few weeks when I was trying to decide what to do was VERY stressful. Good Luck to you in whatever you decide.
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I had an oncotype score of 28. Also told it would reduce my chances of recurrance by 4%. I had a BMX and chose to do chemo (ACx4) and am on an AI. I wanted to do everything possible to prevent recurrance. Chemo was not bad. I didn't miss a day of work during the chemo (just left early on infusion days). Finished 1 1/2 yrs ago and have had no related problems.
Good luck with this decision!
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I am also sorry for what you are going through. My score was 23, and I did chemo. I was 44, with no family history. In your case, with a grade 3 and strong family history, I would do chemo. My onc. quoted my a higher % than 4, but regardless, I woudn't chance it.
I have heard or read that they may realign the oncotype categories based on the tailor X trial, so your score of 27 may end up in the high risk group if they do that. I can't remember where I got that info.
As Diane said, hang in there, and hugs to you!
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I would think that most women with an Oncotype score of 27 would do chemo. Add to that your age, you are peri-menopausal and the Grade 3 tumor, I think you should do it. It bothers me when these oncologists say something to the effect of "whatever you think yourself." They are supposed to be the experts and I really think they should give one more guidance although ultimately the choice is yours.
I would look for a second opinion.
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In my opinion, you should do chemotherapy. My oncologist and I discussed before she sent my specimen out that if I was in the intermediate range, she would recommend chemo because of my young age of 42. I did Taxotere and Cytoxan x 6 neoadjuvant. It wasn't easy-peasy, but I tolerated it pretty well......best of luck to you!
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I had just a single tumor (that we know of, anyway): 1.8 cm IDC, Grade 2, ER+/PR-/HER2-, zero of 3 sentinel nodes positive, ... but my Oncotype score was 26.
Nobody thought I would need chemo until the FAX with that Oncotype score dropped into the oncologist's in-box. He called me that afternoon and said he was recommending chemo -- 4 rounds of Adriamycin/Cytoxan. I consulted a different oncologist and she also recommended chemo, but she thought 4 rounds of Taxotere/Cytoxan was more appropriate considering all the circumstances.
An Oncotype score of 26 translates to a 17% risk of distant recurrence. According to what I've read, and according to what my med onco told me, 4 rounds of A/C would decrease that risk by one-third, or about 5 to 6%, bringing the absolute risk of recurrence down to around 12%. T/C might do even better.
For me, that benefit was worth the risks and hardship (discomfort? misery?) associated with chemo. So, I did 4 rounds of T/C, and came through it just fine. (See how easy it is to say that now, 4 years later?)
otter
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I had a IDC grade 3 oncotype 27 and I did TC x 4. My oncologist gave me a choice also but from what I read later the Taylor study puts you in the chemo group if your oncotype is above 25' you are not randomized as the immediate group is! I am glad I did chemo I would worry even more than I still do. I hope the chemo takes my 18 percent recurrence rate down much lower and with the Al it goes even lower. Good luck. Kathleen
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My Oncotype score was 16. I did TC x 4. My MO's group uses 11 as a cutoff point for young, (I'm 43) otherwise healthy women.
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Hello, everyone. I just saw the oncologist today, and have pretty much the same situation as the OP--an oncotype score of 27, stage 1A (on the border, some have called it IIA--it was 2 cm), no lymph nodes, but a high grade 2. My mom and aunt both had breast cancer (though older then me, and I am 64, but very aggressive types). I am scheduled for chemo, but was having second thoughts until I read this thread. Is it true that some studies put 27 in the high rather than intermediate range? I am very scared of the possible side effects, but I think more afraid of not doing everything possible to prevent recurrence. Is anybody in the same category here who decided only to go with radiation and hormone therapy? Oh, another thing; the oncotype found that I was PRnegative, not positive. so I will have to revise my profile. ER positive, PR negative, and HER negative.
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My oncodx was 34, er 95% pr 0% her2 negative. I had 2, 1 cm tumors one ilc one idc grade 1 & grade 2 both had mitotic score of 1. No nodes. I had mastectomy and AI drugs for 4 years, chose no chemo.
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edith...according to the most recently published TailorX study, you are in the catagory of patients that chemo is being recommended.
https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2018/tailorx-breast-cancer-chemotherapy
Anyone over the age of 50 with an OncotypeDX score of 26-100 the benefit of chemo should outweigh the risks.
Until recently, it was not known if patients with “intermediate” scores would benefit. Your score, 27, previously would be considered a high intermediate score. Now, with Tailor, it would place you in the high risk that would benefit from chemo.
That said, ultimately, it will be your choice. Clearly, there will be patients with high scores that will not do chemo. They may have other illnesses and or risk factors that might make chemo objectionable. Physicians review carefully patients medical histories before making final recommendations. With respect to side effects, without a doubt, some patients do suffer side effects. On these threads you will see that while some patients do have difficulty, many do not. Also remember that many patients who do well do not seek out this type of website with these threads. They do well and just move on with their lives. Hopefully, that will be you.
Good luck
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my onc score was 24 and tumor size 2 Cm pre-biopsy & 1.9 Cm post. My oncologist was on the fence RE: chemo & left the decision up to me. I chose chemo & tolerated it very well. I am very happy I did the chemo because my tumor was high grade/poorly differentiated (rapidly dividing cells), which had I know at the time would have sealed the deal for chemo. My advice is, read your path report & if you don't understand it, find someone who can explain it.
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I had IDC and DCIS, stage 2, grade 3, onco 29. I chose not to do chemo because only a risk reduction of 3%. I'm two years out and doing great. No regrets. My surgeon says I've had a charmed recovery.
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