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  • lmlola59
    lmlola59 Member Posts: 146
    edited April 2012

    Good morning all

     AEM47 & mthrdee good luck today

    Bonnie wow I guess she really told you Tongue out   The treatment your friend is getting sounds brutal hope she will do OK ,but having you by her side I am sure will give her some strength. Have never heard of Argan Oil Morocon for hair growth but I am now going to look into it.

    Brittle sorry you have been so uncomfortable all you guys talking about shortness of breath are starting to scare me. I significantly notice it during exercise this time around and keep waiting for it to improve before next TX but has not yet happened.But I am under the impression this is not the same and not a sign of things to come.They don't think the eye issues are permanent do they? Just wondering as you are going to the Optometrist.

    Good day to all 

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited April 2012

    Brittle

    I kind of know what you mean.  Having my last TX tomorrow and not that I'm not thrilled to have this part come to an end because I most certainly am but knowing I'll still have the down time next week and that I'm still bald still sucks yes. But the good new is this part is O.V.E.R. is still a good feeling.  I still will be fully immersed in TX whether I end up doing RADS and have to go every 3 weeks for my Herceptin TX.  I suppose though its still better than chemo and our hair will grow back. I for one will still be on these boards for a couple of reasons. I really want to see how my new friends are doing and I'll be looking for support and info when I get on the Tamoxfen Train.  I think once your energy starts to improve after this week you should start to feel better.  And hey, we'll be able to compare hair notes too!!!  xxxooo

  • Gayle56
    Gayle56 Member Posts: 277
    edited April 2012

    Myleftboob  - Good luck tomorrow.   Yes I agree, this hair thing really sucks but mine is starting to grow a bit so there is some hope.

    Gayle

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited April 2012

    Hi All!

    I am a chemo newbie from the April/May 2012 chemo hang out.  I have a question about icing the nails and would greatly appreciate your help here

    Do you ice just during the Taxotere part of the infusion or do you ice during the both infusions for Taxotere and Cytoxan?  . 

  • AEM47
    AEM47 Member Posts: 297
    edited April 2012

    Melrosemom - I was told the taxotere might do this..but other's probably know better.  I took Biotin throughout and it was my understanding that this would help.  I didn't ice, since I was too busy surfing the net during treatments....lol.  I had some "loosening" feeling in the nails after the third treatment and one night the nails really hurt.  I made sure I kept the nails short and took nail polish off over few days to look at them and made sure my hands did not get too dried out.   My thumb nails each have 2 horizontal lines where the cuticle is - I think they may have lifted a bit (probably that painful night) but have re-attached and look very normal.  I'm hoping the recovery from this last treatment doesn't do anything different.  Alot of people have iced, they can give you more info.

  • Mom2JJ
    Mom2JJ Member Posts: 77
    edited April 2012

    Melrosemelrose, I iced for both taxotere and cytoxin just to be safe. So far my nails haven't lifted, and I am two weeks PFC.

  • NikkEliz
    NikkEliz Member Posts: 38
    edited April 2012

    Melrosemom: I iced during only the taxotere every infusion. Monday I will be 3 weeks out since infusion 4/4 and my nails are just as they have always been, they've been growing alot slower than usual throughout treatment, that's about the only difference I've noticed on the nail front. I've kept them long and they've been fine. 

  • firstcall
    firstcall Member Posts: 499
    edited April 2012

    I iced only during taxotere, and my nails are fine.  In fact they are the only thing on me growing very fast. 

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited April 2012

    Thanks everyone for your responses!!!!  My oncologist told me to ice and also paint my nails with Sally Hansen Hard As Nails Clear polish.  I think I've figured a way to keep ice on my hands and still be able to hold my cup of ice/ cold water that I'm supposed to have during the infusion---- I have pretty small hands more like a little kid's hands.  I bought some pot holders that I can slip my entire hand  in and also have neoprene one side so I can still grip things.  I've tested them out and found i can get an ice bag where the nails are.   I also found some other pot holders that my little feet fit into with a bag of ice!!!  I know I'll be quite a sight in the infusion room but i will hopefully have my nails when I'm done   Thanks again for your help!!!!

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited April 2012

    Melrose

    I too ice turing Taxotere, boh hands and feet. I just kept my nails short, they did tend to break easily so clip them down. I used a nail hardener too but wasn't very diligent with it.

  • lmlola59
    lmlola59 Member Posts: 146
    edited April 2012
    Melrosemelrose I also do it through both but I believe it is the Taxotere that is the culprit.I just use a couple of small storage bags to put my fingers in and have one of the cloth ice bags you fill with ice sit with my legs bent and just lay this across both feet.I also take my hands out from time to time to eat or what ever and has not had any effect.My nails are perfect and actually growing faster and stronger than before.May also be to the change of seasons as they get better in the warmer weather.So definitely worth a try.Some people do ask questions but usuallly followed by I  wish someone had mentioned that to me.Also have a cup of ice to chew on for mouth sores I also do this and have had no mouth problems but yucky taste.
  • lmlola59
    lmlola59 Member Posts: 146
    edited April 2012
    Myleftboob good luck today Wow another one done congratulations
  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited April 2012

    Thanks for all the great icing tips.  I figured it would be easier to just ask questions about the practical side of chemo ( like icing and eating ice during the fusion) than just sit here being confused.  I knew to ice but wasn't quite sure how to do it.  I think part of my brain was also removed when I had my UMX!!!!

  • lmlola59
    lmlola59 Member Posts: 146
    edited April 2012

    Melrosemelrose glad we could help. Watch out you will loose the other side of your brain to Chemo. Just another wonderful SE

    So sorry you will be spending your whole summer dealing with this,one of the few things right now i am looking forward to.

     great day to all 

  • RuthieG
    RuthieG Member Posts: 34
    edited April 2012

    Done!  I finished 8 days ago actually, but then dealt with a rough SE weekend and then my husband had knee surgery this week, so my first time to check back in.  Glad to begin counting my "PFC" days!

    Fatigue, nausea, and bone pain were the worst they've been since tx#1, which surprised me.  Numbers 2 and 3 were pretty easy, relatively speaking.

    I have some peach fuzz -- my hair actually started growing back a little after tx #3, it's about an 1/8 of an inch long and very light (my hair was almost black before), but I've got a few dark hairs scattered in!  I've heard this is a tedious process - waiting for regrowth! 

    I start my rads on Monday and don't meet with my MO again for another couple of weeks... I'm assuming that's when we'll discuss Tamoxifen?  Has anyone heard when they are going to be starting that (for the hormone positive among us)?

  • NikkEliz
    NikkEliz Member Posts: 38
    edited April 2012

    RuthieG: I'm now day 17 PFC (yay!) and am starting my RADS May 1. I am starting tamoxifen after my RADS are finished, so June as I have 21 treatments (mon-fri). My MO told me that there is no difference if I start it now or after RADS in terms of it's effectiveness or anything, so I'm going to take things one at a time.

    I'm excited to know when my RADS start. Got my tattoos, they are SOOOOOO tiny. I knew they'd be small, but I still imagined them bigger than they are. They are literally smaller than a pen dot on paper. Unless I point them out to people they don't even see them. WOO! And since I have a week off between my follow-up 3 weeks PFC with my MO (on Monday morning) and my RADS starting, my mom booked for us to go to this really relaxing health spa place we went a couple years ago for 5 nights! So I leave on Monday right after my appointment with my MO and come back Saturday. It will be very nice to get away from all this for a short while before starting the next phase of this journey. 

  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited April 2012

    NikkEliz - that sounds wonderful!  Congrats on finishing treatment and having a start date to rads!  Ruthie - WOOHOO to you on the last chemo!  I'm so looking forward to being done, but I have to wait till July.!

     Keep us posted on the hair growth!

  • A_FIGHTER
    A_FIGHTER Member Posts: 109
    edited April 2012

    Hi Ladies,

    myleftboob: Congratulations! Wahoo! Yippee!

    Those of you who finished Chemo earlier...Any hair growth? When did you notice?  

    Just an FYI when it comes to nail polishes/hardeners: I avoid these ingredients - Dibutyl Phthalate (DBP), Toluene (methylbenzene,toluol, phenylmethane) & Formaldehyde ...Sally Hansen supposedly does NOT contain these Laughing as well as OPI & Orly... I still ALWAYS read the ingredients though.

    So, Starbucks and the red beetle coloring added to products. My thoughts - I think it is better than the lycopene from the tomatoes (they're not using organic)...as who knows where they are coming from and what they are sprayed with...the beetle coloring is centuries old...Now, I do understand it being a problem for Vegans overall...

    I didn't ice my nails and all was good till round three (about mid-week 2 and then week 3) w/ nail beds hurting and minor brown markings. When I took my steroids the day before my final treatment all hurting stopped and I haven't had any problem since. No problem at all w/ toe nails.

    I know some of you mentioned dry skin - I had no problem with my skin. I use all natural organic products from Aubrey Organics and Nubian Heritage (not sure if this had anything to do with it).

    Hugs,

    Bonnie 

     When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves ~ Viktor Frankl

     

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited April 2012

    Thanks for the well wishes ladies.  Rads is now officially off the table too after my meeting with a SR. MO yesterday.  Not warranted in my situation which I thought anyway really.  Very happy about this!

    So now onto Herceptin and Tamox.  2 ladies where there getting H yesterday, both were in and out within the hour and they had hair!!!

    Speaking of hair Bonnie, mine has been growing.  Its white but its about 1/3 inch. I kept thinking it would fall out after TX#3 and it didn't, so it will be interesting to see if it stays.  I really hope I don't lose whats there for eyebrows and lashes, Its not much but I can work with it. I've read though that they can still go after.  I've been using my regular moisturizer though out and its fine.  Its Cetaphil and I use coconut oil after a shower. 

  • shera
    shera Member Posts: 184
    edited April 2012

    Hi all -- been away for a few weeks. I got through tx #3 last week... it was a bitch. Major food aversions and nausea. Neulasta pain not as 'fierce' as tx #1, but I get a half dose of the shot now. I still needed to manage bone pain with percocet for 3 days -- but it was manageable.  Yes - I take Claritin --  and follow the directions that work for everyone else but if its helping me at all -- its just a little. 

    Nails beginning to get a hint of black -- just the thumbs and one other finger. Got the two horizontal lines at base of each thumbnail. And getting vertical lines on several nails... some subtle signs of lifting, which I hope can make it through one more treatment. I have not iced, I read all about it prior and chose not to. My reason being, I don't have great circulation, hands and feet get cold easily, and numb when extremely cold --- so my concerns have been more over neuropathy... which so far, have very subtle symptoms of. Could be supplements from Narturopath.. or luck!

    No hair is becoming more of a hassle than a thing to hide. I am continually putting on and taking off hats as my head goes from freezing to boiling -- often within minutes. Had my "wig debut" on Friday night --- wig liners from the TLC site work great -- was able to wear wig for entire time out without discomfort. I have a few fun wigs for when I feel like going out and having some fun with it. Plan to debut the "Joan Jett" wig next week at a music event.  90% of the time I'm in beanies and newsboys -- and hoodies since they keep my neck warm. 

    Looking forward to feedback on hair growth from those of you ahead of the rest of us.

    One more treatment for me. I know I should be skipping for joy -- but these treatments suck so much, I cannot feel anything but dread.  Its those 3 days of hell...  but... it could be worse... there are a few dozen ladies over on the March 2012 chemo thread that are getting TCx6 or AC-T. I feel for them! 

    Going back to work this week -- up until tx#4.  

    Does anyone here have the gummy implants? How do they feel compared to the TE?

    Anyone know when/if they will be available in the U.S. outside of trials?  Hoping they will be available before I have my exchange -- which can be as soon as June, but I might wait until after summer. 

  • Ulightup
    Ulightup Member Posts: 57
    edited April 2012

    Shera- ditto on all you said. That's exactly how I felt after my 4th chemo last week. Unfortunately I have 2 more to go. Not looking forward to it, but trying to stay positive like you. Hang in there!

  • AnnTop
    AnnTop Member Posts: 70
    edited April 2012

    Hi, everyone:

    I've been visiting the posts from our group, but haven't written. I hope everyone is having a good no SEs day.

    I'm a little over 4 weeks PFC now. The main SE I'm still feeling is that my legs are more easily fatigued than pre-chemo, but otherwise my taste is back 100% and it looks like I'll keep my lashes. (I did start Latisse two weeks ago.) Now I keep looking in the mirror every day hoping to see my hair jump started -- and telling myself I should be patient. The 10% or so that didn't fall out is growing, and I think I see some little stubs.

    I also started Tamoxifen a week ago. Although I'm 56 and post-menopausal, I also was diagnosed with osteopenia a few years ago, so I was very concerned about taking an aromatase inhibitor due to its connection to bone loss. My MO ordered a new bone density test for me, and seeing that indeed I did have osteopenia, he put me on T instead. Tamoxifen can actually strengthen bone, so that could be good for me. So far I can't tell that I have any SEs from the T, and I hope it stays that way. The next major thing will be the exchange from TEs to implants, which should happen sometine in May.

    My MO will see me again in 4 months. After such intense treatment for more than 6 months, I feel abandoned! But I hope the worst is behind me and that in 5 years I can celebrate being a survivor.

  • lmlola59
    lmlola59 Member Posts: 146
    edited April 2012

    Shera Unfortunate you still suffer from the Se's so much but hang in there you are almost finished with this part of the journey.I was also worried about the icing as I have Reynard's Syndrome(SP?) but figured WTH if I can't do it I will stop.Ironically my fingers only got cold and red not the usual white and numb they turn in cold or damp conditions.Maybe it is something to do with the drug entering my system but it has worked so now glad i did it.Also doing the same with the head gear off,on constantly.But I do find the first week after TX is the worst and seems to get a little less as the time goes by.

    Anntop great to hear you are doing so well I use all of you before me as a blueprint for my future.Can't wait for the taste buds to get back to normal,though it doesn't stop me from eating.Also seems to be some hope for the lashes,I have never stopped using the generic Latisse in fact I have some  on its way in the mail.I wasn't really expecting that it would work to save what I have but maybe there is some hope.I think they may be a little thinner but not bad so far though they seem to go after PFC.So time will tell.Keep us posted on how you are doing on the Tomoxifen as this is also in some of our futures.I didn't realize that this was actually good for the bones,good to know.

    Made an appointment with my RO for the 9th to try to get that rolling.I am hoping to get that also under my belt so I can get back to work in July.Though not looking forward to that I have been following some of the threads on this and It seems again everyone is different so hoping I will also handle this well.At least it is my right side away from my heart,but I am thin and where the tumor was is close to my ribs.At my consult and mapping I will present my concerns,though they are fully aware.I tried to do the internal and had the port put in at surgery but when I went back to have all checked they wouldn't do it because of this.Of course I knew this going in so was not a surprise.One time in my life that some extra fat would have paid off go figure.Understand what you say about feeling abandoned,but right now I can't wait.So sick of seeing doctors.

    Great day to all  

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited April 2012

    Had my first infusion yesterday and I am tired today.  It was a pretty long day with getting educated with the entire process.  I know it will go faster next time.  I iced during the Taxotere, walked around during the Cytoxan and also walked to a meeting with the Look Good Feel Good people while getting my Herceptin.  I ended up getting a makeup kit and a wig which I definitely had not planned on getting.  All in all, the first infusion iteslf wasn't bad.... now just waiting for the side effects.  I'm drinking water as often as I can to flush out that chemo.  Again, thanks for all of your encouragement and help. 

  • silviazara
    silviazara Member Posts: 111
    edited April 2012

    Hello, haven't been here for a while. CONGRATS to ALL who are done with chemo and light SEs and fast healing to ALL who are still going through it!!!

    I am 3 weeks past last infusion. Last chemo was actually the easiest one. Maybe because I knew it was the last one? 6 days later I was alredy in Vegas and it was a great little get away from this hell!!

    I never lost all my hair. It is very thin on the top, but I don't have any bald spots. On the sides and on the back of the head the hair is pretty thick. It is growing although it is hard for me to see the new hair in between the left overs. My eyebrows are growing much thicker and I never lost the lashes so its hard to say.

    I am still wearing beanies and sometimes random people ask me where did I buy such a nice hair piece! I have to laugh so much when I hear HAIR piece! ;-)))

    Tomorrow I am starting my rads. I opted out of tattoos so I have stickers on. I am praying for the best possible outcome and so I hope no FLAP or DIEP will be necessary. I am very scared though and so staying positive is damn hard!

    Thanks everybody who posted about rads back when I was here complaining & deciding if to go ahead and do it, Brittle thanks for your input!

    Sending all of you love & positive thoughts! Hang on there!

  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited April 2012

    lmlola 59 - i didn't realize you could use latisse during chemo!  I am going to ask about it, because I I really would like to keep my lashes.  

    Silviazara good luck with radiation! 

  • lmlola59
    lmlola59 Member Posts: 146
    edited April 2012

    onvaction I have to admit I never asked I just did it.I know MYBAD. I have never been one to follow the rules and other than this have been a very good girl.I had been using it for 2 years though before chemo I was down to the maintenance stage and increased back up before chemo.I use a very small brush and never get it in my eyes and never had any adverse reactions so just kept with it.I also started using it on my brows.I think after using it and abruptly stopping there would have been no doubt I would have lost them. But I am curious at what your MO tells youSurprised

    silviazara how lucky for you to have held on to so much of your hair.I never lost it all though do have a couple of bald areas but I still have one more treatment next week so we will see.One thing I find kind of strange  (at least for me) is I lost it everywhere but not any on the arms except the under arms.Why is that? Anyone else? Oh and the tops of my big toe that I still have to shave.I just think this is weird.Good luck with the rads and please do stay on this site to post how that goes for you.That is the next step for some of us and any insight would be welcome.

    Question on the tats for Rads.Do they just mark where the tumor was or is there more to it then that?I only had the one tumor and have an appointment on the 9th need to know what to expect. 

  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited April 2012

    I had been using rapid lash and I got more before treatment started.  I just happened to read the instuctions and it said NOT TO BE USED DURING CHEMO - so it freaked me out and I didn't use it.  I have my appt/treatment next week so i will ask about latisse.  Though if you are using it now with no problem I wouldn't worry about it.  

  • AEM47
    AEM47 Member Posts: 297
    edited April 2012

    Onvacation - I also use Latisse and never bothered to ask either - I personally would have used it regardless...lol  I started loosing lashes and my brows were thining right after the 2nd treatment and I FREAKED....the freakin hair was enough.  My MO of course told me it would be "notable"...whatever that means, if I lost my brows and lashes.  Of all things, my lashes are the one thing that makes me look like me.   I used to actually have to trim them before chemo and totally cut down the outer corners because they would intertwine.  The latisse seemed to immediately stop the loss and with a magnifying mirror I can see black dots where new ones will be growing.  They definitely have gotten longer and there are a couple that have actually grown in.   The eyebrows are still thining, but I use Rogaine on them and there are new hairs growing in, but I am still dropping them and the color has faded.  I started using both right around the second week in March.  I'm really hoping that the lashes will hold, or at least the growth on the lashes and brows are so scattered that there's always enough.

  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited April 2012

    Thanks AEM47 - I agree the lashes are just too much after the hair too!  Do you have to get the latisse from a dermotogist?

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