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cookiegal
cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

I just thought Kira's new beginning deserved more than the I hate LE thread. I didn't put her whole name in the title in case she hates it. (Since we can't delete titles.)

But KIRA with your expertise, empathy, and ethics you are a star.

You have shepharded us through countless crises.

You and Binney have kept us LE gals from being abandoned.

GREAT THINGS ARE AHEAD! 

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2012
    Yay, Cookie! I like the sentiment of this thread, and I love the alliteration!




    Kira, you're our Kindred spirit, a woman of great Kindness, and Keen vision. I know you will land in a new position where you are recognized and valued for your wonderful professional and personal skills.
  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited April 2012

    Yes! Where one door closes, another will open. I just know there are going to be much better things ahead! Lots of hugs!

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited April 2012

    Kira,

    I watched someone targeted at work once.  The targeter even called me aside to talk about the targetee, asked for my concurrence.  She really seemed focally delusional about him.  In that particular instance she moved away and he moved up, but I was tortured about how to handle it. Power can be a scary thing in the hands of those with weak coping skills.

    You do immeasurable good for so many people.  I so much admire the level-headed, thoughtful advice you give to each panicked woman who comes to this forum and the steady fire you stoke in us to push the medical community to recognize and evaluate this problem with the focus it deserves.     

    All sorts of good wishes that this string of badness will have some sort of karmic balancing for you. Well, I'm just making that term up I guess, I don't know if it means anything.  But it should.   

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited April 2012

    Kira--Only one was against you.  Many are FOR you.  Keep the faith.  BeckySmile

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited April 2012

    Kira, Your gifts will be easily recognized by those who interview you, including your willingness to go the extra mile when you see someone's care is substandard. Your knowledge + your determination + your willingness to care for a whole person, not just a few body parts-it all adds up to just the kind of caregiver I'd want to find in a medical practice. You will no doubt find several opportunities. I hope you'll hold out for the one that invites you to put all of your talents to use.

    Carol 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited April 2012

    Thank you! I saw the thread, didn't know who it meant. Shows how sharp I am....

    Outfield: the rad onc was delusional about the kind rad onc he fired, and would come to my office looking for support while saying absolutely crude and unprofessional things about him. So, when he was gone, I was next. When the kind rad onc called me, he told me about the rad onc before him, who was amazing and he fired him also. It's this guy's pattern. Just hard to be on the receiving end.

    It's a small state, and I've been working here for many years. I just need to not get all frantic and grab something just to fill the void.

    I teach at the med school today, and I'm not sharing this with my first year students, they'd heard me talk about the stress, but until I've fully processed this, they don't need to know.

    My co-teacher is a psychologist who runs the autism program, and he said "another door will open, just don't let it be held by a jerk"

    I set up these interviews, but need to remember I'm not obligated to do anything right now.

    Carol, I see you wrote that just above.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you!

    I'd written Binney that if he hadn't gone after me, I'd still be there, but she was very clear that it wasn't good for me to be humiliated on a daily basis. Yah think???

    It just occurred to me that there's a great oncology group in a town nearby that I hadn't even thought of contacting. Onward! And try and do it in a calm, thoughtful manner.

    You guys are the best.

    Kira

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited April 2012

    I am thinking that your Bad boss actually did you a favor in the end. You never know, you may be thanking him sincerely one day. You see my motto is "you can always find something  a bit good in a bad situation" Even with BC, as bad as this disease is, it has actually made me a better person. Some benefits from not being in the toxic sludge already are, you have new healthier job opportunitys coming, more family time, more pet and exercise time and maybe you can etch out some special time for yourself while waiting for your dream job. Wow that's awesome. Now you are living the way you should be!

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited April 2012

    Hope you had a great day!

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited April 2012

    Cookie, thought of you: was in a lecture at the med school and turned to this great woman I'd trained and said "why am I a three time loser?" and she said "cause you won't take the b@@lsh@t!" Sums it up very nicely.

    I know the interview tomorrow is likely for more than I want to do right now, but I do like the people, so I'll keep an open mind.

    Trying so hard not to be frantic about this, and to work on some real work I need to do: lecture slides, etc.

    Hugz: breast cancer has allowed me to be more entitled in a healthy way. I simply won't accept abuse or stress or overwork. Been there/done that. No more.

    Kira

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited April 2012

    Kira, how is your mother doing?  Oddly, a very good friend's mother fell and broke her hip on Saturday, and I'm hearing all kinds of frustration from her about the difficulties of convincing her mom on needed care elements.  You must be dealing with similar concerns.  I hope that's going as well as possible.  Job interviews and related decision-making are stressful enough without added concern about family elders' health.

    I hope you're doing lots of walking with your dog, which seems to me a great way to zap stress and clear out some emotional cobwebs so you can have a good shot at making your career decisions as objectively as possible.  

    It must be so hard to concentrate on making slides for your lectures when such BIG career and family issues are brewing! 

    Carol 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited April 2012

    Carol: I spent the ENTIRE day doing the power points for the breast health fellows. I think it's okay, lots of images.

    I could write a book, but I'll start with this.

    My former nurse colleague called me to tell me how much she misses me: it's mutual. But it's done.

    I literally did not move my butt from this chair. Time to exercise.

    I don't think the job I'm talking about tomorrow is a good fit: but I do like the organization, so I'll see what evolves.

    Carol: OMG, I didn't call my mother yet: she was making very slow improvements yesterday, they say she may be in rehab for a month. My father is showing his age and limitations. Yes it is so concerning.

    Kira

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited April 2012

    I think of my time with an abusive boss and see signs of co-dependency. We all put so much panicked energy into trying to avoid his wrath, I almost got "addicted" to adrenaline of panic. It was a crazy time.

    Afterward I crashed hard. I think did not leave the house for 10 days. It was January in the upper midwest. I was also dealing with some minor health problems and the end of a 5+ year relationship a few weeks before.

    Seriously the only reason I got up in the morning was I discovered Dawson's Creek re-runs on TNT. (I had never seen the show in it's heyday.)

    That spring I put in some petunias, and I was discouraged because two weeks later they had not taken root. A neighbor told me don't worry, they just need time to adjust to the shock of being transplanted.

    It was a nice metaphor.

    You are gonna bloom some fierce flowers when you are ready. 

  • Galsal
    Galsal Member Posts: 1,886
    edited April 2012

    love the "go K go" title.  perfect!

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited April 2012

    Cookie, my nurse called yesterday to tell me how much she missed me and to complain about the evil boss, and I just couldn't work up the energy to care about the evil boss. Her I miss, tremendously. The whole group accepts the weirdness, the sense that the rooms are bugged, the lack of any regard for the individual, the narcissism, etc. as "normal". And a good day is when you're not abused. 

    You said it all: it becomes normal, to work with a mad man, and the adrenaline of ducking the next verbal beating.

    I spent yesterday, like kind of a focused insanity, working on my slides for the LE lecture for the breast health fellows. Literally all day--didn't eat/drink/leave the chair. My DH came home and was horrified. But, I think I got it down, and now it needs some tweaking.

    And my Klose training materials came.

    And I love the fierce flowers metaphor. 

    I think I told you that we moved to the water last year, to satisfy a longing of my husbands, and I look out at the ducks and the sailboats, and I think, this isn't so bad...

    But, just got an email from my 55 year old sister that she was in the ER with a fib, so on to the next family crisis.

    Kira

  • olearca
    olearca Member Posts: 215
    edited April 2012

    Oh Kira!!  Just adding my support and cheering you on "Go K Go".  The flower metaphor is perfect and we all know you'll come through to the other side.....but I can sure appreciate how challenging it might be to get there.  Just keep reminding yourself that you came out of an abusive relationship and you will survive.  Gosh, this guy sounds so crazy!

    Sorry about your sis - but your slides and presentation sound like they will be amazing!!

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited April 2012

    Catherine: was having a massive pity party yesterday, but today is better. It's change that's so unsettling. And leaving an abusive situation.

    My sister and I hollered at Kaiser, and she's seeing the cardiologist on Monday. Another day, another family crisis....

    Change doesn't happen overnight: or sometimes it does, like last week--but that's not good either.

    Working on building new alliances and that lecture. Turns out, there will be gyn oncologists and I need to put in info on leg/genital LE. It's a good review for me.

    Kira

  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited April 2012

    Kira - I had a job like that one time - everyone accepted the abuse and nastiness as the norm - I honestly began to doubt my own sanity because I was the only one who thought it was abnormal.  I really began to worry that there was something wrong with me for feeling the way I did!!  A few months out of that job, I looked back and wondered why it took me so long to realize it was them, not me.  Shows how twisted an abusive situation can become. 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited April 2012

    Mary, it's so true, I just thought if I did my job and tried to ignore the worst of it, I'd be okay, but I'm realizing just how horrible it was. I could probably turn him in to the board of licensure, but he's so combative, he'd make my life hell.

    The staff said prayers every day that the evil that was the boss wouldn't touch them. They were saying special prayers for me. 

    And it becomes "normal". 

    It is twisted, and I'm so glad I don't have to go back there. 

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited April 2012

    Kira, Hope your Ok. I just want you to know how great it has been for me to benefit from all your expertise. 

    I hope the evil boss has not taken a layer of self esteem off you. When they wear you out, they tend to peel abit of your worth off and that is why their antics seem normal. We tend to just blame ourselves but it really is them that is to blame. I feel sorry for the people you left behind. I hope they move ahead quickly before they become the next victim. I am sure when you land the next job and another opening comes up you will probably rescue your good work mates by telling them to come and work at your new place. Smile

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited April 2012

    Thanks Hugz. It's hard to keep posting that it's a difficult time. Yes, the evil one did take his toll: not in my belief about my competency, but about where I'd be willing to work in the future.

    I always think that those of us who've been through breast cancer have some PTSD--and the STARS course confirmed that, and being subjected to this nastiness--kind of reactivates that.

    So, it's a slower process than I would have liked, but interviewing at any and all job openings is not a good idea--yet that's what I've been doing. 

    Had to be in contact with the office yesterday to confirm a transfer of my health insurance: weird, the staff tell me it's hell, and the office manager, daughter of the evil one, is all kind in her emails. This is the woman who screamed at me to get to work with my hand fracture....Like we're all cordial now? 

    A friend told a family doc that I'd left the practice and she works across the street and said "Good, he's a royal a@@hole" Yep.

    I was offered a position in a private office, solo practitioner, and I told the person I will NOT work in an environment where there's no institutional structure. Not now, maybe not ever. No fiefdom of the insane for me right now.

    Working through this stuff. More slowly than I'd like.

    Kira

  • olearca
    olearca Member Posts: 215
    edited April 2012

    Kira,

    I suspect the range of emotions will continue to greet you for awhile.  The abuse was so pervasive and persistant - and you need time to just "be" and regroup your sanity.  Just keep doing what makes you feel good - if interviewing feels right - just do it.  It's always good practice and you never know where things will lead - but glad to hear you don't feel compelled to take something that isn't right for you.  I always say now that I may not be "clear" on exactly what I want, but I can be very "clear" on what I DON"T want.  So, just keep in mind what you are not willing to do or compromise. 

    How's your mom? 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited April 2012

    Catherine, You said it exactly! I know exactly what I don't want. And I was shocked at how strong my negative reaction was to working for a male boss in his own practice was.

    Patience is tough.

    My mother is slowly improving, and her injury just highlights the stress fractures in the family dynamic. My father is frail, my sisters have their limitations, etc.

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited April 2012

    (((((Kira)))))

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2012

    Catherine put it so well, Kira. I am continuing to think of you and hope that things become more clear about what you do want and that the stress of the time you spent working with this man will slowly melt away and you can fall more into feeling like your true, strong self.

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited April 2012

    Kira, I see your mom is doing OK, Looking after older parents is exhausting and so I wondering if DH has recovered and is back into full swing? I am hoping your family gets back in the saddle soon.

    Spring is here and better times are to come for sure, No looking back. Take care.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited May 2012

    So, I gave my lecture on LE to the gyn oncology fellows, oncologists, breast health fellows and head of gyn oncology--and it went really well!!!

    Got a lot of great feedback.

    And they were seriously asking me how they could reduce the incidence of LE in their patients.

    I brought bandages and Solaris and had some show and tell, and it was good.

    Nervous before, but not during. 

    So, on to the next challenge. 

    Kira

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited May 2012

    Yes! Soooooooooo glad you were there to tell them how to protect their patients. Bet they won't forget it either.

    Wonderful! Brava!
    Binney

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Kira, that is terrific!! I knew you would do a great job. So glad to hear they were receptive to the information and eager to reduce incidence of LE in their patients. I think you can claim that your thoughtful presentation was responsible for their interest in the subject. You put a lot of effort into it, and I am sure it showed. Plus, your passion for the topic must have been evident!!

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited May 2012

    Kira! That is just fantastic that your meeting was a success. You have definately put some hard work into this and it PAID OFF!  Thank you.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited May 2012

    I had a lot of studies about breast cancer related LE and gyn related LE and then I turned to them and asked, "You know how to treat LE, right?" and they all said no, so on to the next set of slides on treatment, and I showed them how a short stretch is NOT an ace wrap.I brought a set of old bandages and I actually told them how my mother started crying when she saw me wrapped, and how they need to encourage their patients to wrap--if appropriate-- and not act like it's some torture.

    They knew I have LE, it was in the introduction, and we talked about shame, expense, limitations.

    So, now I have to get the lecture for the Vodder course together. Who has time for work???

    I have to study for my Klose training class, and I am STAR certified now (what a joke).STAR is Julie Silver's oncology rehab course--they put me on the grant to do it. It's a broad overview, and the LE portion is full of bad info. But I got a certificate, suitable for framing...

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