Connection with BC dx and stress negativity difficult times?
Just curious, has anyone been diagnosed with BC after dealing with serious other stuff? I wonder if there is connection with horrible single events or stressful events and BC . For me, I was dx after i was out of state for 5 months helping my mother with her cancer dx and then she eventually died. It was terrible, exhausting, and sad.
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I totally believe that stress plays a role in many of our illnesses, including breast cancer. I have had a lifetime of trials and tribulations; deaths, divorce, disasters, career debacles. But the year or two before my first suspicious mammogram which led the next year to my BC diagnosis was the absolute worst period in my life. I know we are told tumors, especially ER+ IDC, are slowly growing for seven to ten years before they are big enough to show up on mammos. But perhaps a healthy psychi, a well nourished body, good sleep, and a happy heart are better able to beat back the aberrant cell growth that often leads to a cancer. Of course it isn't, can't be that simple. But I certainly try to find the path of least resistance these days.
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I definitely think stress plays a major role -but my onc disagrees! I don't see how he can - we all know stress affects your immune system and you get sick when the immune system isn't working well. I know I get my atrial fibrillation from stress (as well as fatty foods)
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add me to the list. Cared for my mother at the end of her stage IV diagnosis and passing. Diagnosed five years later at the age of 34 with BC. I will also add I got my first grey hair a couple of weeks before she passed. ( A long standing grey hair joke in our family- long story.)
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lisa...I saw this post as I was logging off. Thought I would tell you The University Of Kentucky contacted me after my DX to participate in a study linking stress and breast cancer....for some reason I think ovarian cancer was also included anyway......I am not a doctor,but do believe stress can have many negative impacts.
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OOPS...I forgot to say....me too with stress for years....but not now....
Take Care Girls,
Kim
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I agree that stress isn't good for our bodies and we're just beginning to under its impact. What I read that is that takes many many years for cancer to grow large enough to be detected. I've also read that cancer sometimes grows in fits and spurts--growing a lot, then slowing down. I've wondered when my cancer started but it seems like we'd have to look back some unknown number of years to see what the stressful period might be. I guess all we can do now is focus on going forward. Sorry to hear about going through BC Dx and Tx following another very stressful event. That must be very difficult.
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My question is this: why are some women able to tolerate huge amounts of stress and remain free of bc while others are afflicted by it?
I have three older sisters, none of whom have bc, and neither did my mother. Yes, I've experienced at times a large amount of stress, yet so have my sisters. One of my sisters never had children. One has smoked all her life. My mother smoked most of her life. My mother was married to an alchoholic and lived a difficult life. I'm married to a great guy and live a more comfortable life than my mother and a couple of my sisters. Yet I am the one dealing with bc.
So, as I said, why is it that some women juggle enormous amounts of stress and not get canser? The stress factor.....somehow, some ways it doesn't add up to me.....
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I have wondered this... I had an extremely stressfeul year that actually improved about the time I was diagnosed... So from Spring 2009 until Oct 2010 I had a lot of stress over my daughter.... and things improved trmendously that October.. I was diagnosed in November. Coincidence??
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Dr. Marisa Weiss, the founder of Breastcancer.org, wrote a blog post called Don't Stress About Stress and Risk for the Lower Your Risk section of the main site. It talks about this subject, as well as some ways to relieve stress in our lives.
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My brother, who was also dealing with my mother's cancer on a daily basis and her death, ended up having about 5 different medical issues as well afterwards (none were cancer, thank goodness). I think that there is some connection, even if it just sped up what ultimately was going to happen. As the moderators suggest and after reading "Don't stress about stress and risk," I think I have to find the energy and courage through this turmoil to pickup myself and figure out how to move forward. For me, my mom's death was more (or a different kind) of tramau .
On a more positive note, my teenage daughter is wonderful. She is a blessing in many ways. Anyway, I registered her for an art class to encourage her talented artsy side. I also registered myself so that she and I can bond. In hindsight, this class might be very therapeutic and help me in a small way. No matter what, it's a win win situation. -
Yes, yes and yes. My family doctor agreed - the first thing she said to me was, "Who says stress doesn't bring out cancer!!?" I had just been through a year and a half of State Farm accusing my husband of burning our house down as we moved. It was horrifying and we spent a lot of effort trying to find who did it and how, etc. I was so afraid that I would lose the house that I had just moved into because of it and be a single parent with two special needs kids in a new state where I didn't know anyone. My tumor was found about four weeks after his arrest. Fortunately, we were able to find a good attorney and worked our way through it as we went through all my treatments and things turned out fairly well.
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Newbie here, bear with..you are so good at posting when, what etc. I just rattle off 3 rounds surgery, radiation both breasts, tumor 2B left, dcis right..thought this was behind me 2011 and now the MRI and Mammo show new dcis right breast. I believe stress is playing a part in this new growth.. and probably the 1st dance. On the positive side, since Mom experienced 1st and I was involved in her treatment, when it was my turn I was already comfortable with the team I worked with. But for some reason this is throwing me for a loop, anyone else out there finding 3rd time not a charm?
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I too have wondered about this very topic. 3 years preceding my DX was probably the most stressful of my life so it has crossed my mind. On the upside I am changing my life to downscale it which will relieve a ton of stress in the very near future. The one thing I am gratefull for since being DX is the realization of what truly makes me happy and what doesn't. So these things I am about to rectify.
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Absolutely, Kind of. Maybe.
There is data galore that will support the stress/illness connection. A very common thing to happen during a period of intense stress is that we find ourselves forcing ourselves to go on, because there is no time to be sick. There are ill ones to care for, crises to manage, etc.
But it's pretty common among us, I think, to say that AFTER the crisis passes, the body can just fall apart. You can keep going on adrenaline and pure will for only so long.
Then again, there's all this research saying that by the time cancer is detectable, it has already been in the body for 8 - 10 years.
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Thank You all for your responses & support. I am in the midst of losing job of 15 years & not having dual coverage any longer. Mom has passed, massive stroke while we were lunching..hospice and her durable power of attorney for medical made my choices more comfortable. But this is also my 3rd round of depression and medication in 30 years. (I'm 60). Part of me is having a three years old tantrum..kicking my feet and saying no, then I read your experiences and realise I am blessed. Thanks again...
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I've also thought that stress played a role in my dx. I was extremely stressed since a high risk pregnancy 10 years earlier.
Rachel
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Rachel...me too ,that was my stress as well...had a tough time getting pregnant with my son...then years of not being able to have a second...then a surprise pregnancy at 42...could only carry 7 weeks and miscarried...but I do wonder about (first) the estrogen levels up and down and then the pregnancy...I know my estrogen was really flowing then. I am highly er+....I wonder how many of us have infertility issues too???
Kim
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I have wondered this as well. I had an extremely stressful year with some of my adult daughter's issues about 2 years before my diagnosis. I remember feeling during that stressful time so overwhelmed I could hardly function. I'll always wonder if that time triggered my breast cancer.
Mary
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And yet I continue to ask the question: why would stress affect some women and not others. I know many, many women who've dealt with all kinds of enormous stresses in their lives yet did not get bc.
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The divine mrs m - good point. So I guess we won't know for sure whether it is stress or where we are in life or just the way it is.
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Yes, definitely. Studies do show that people with severe mood disorders have higher rates of cancer (including breast) as well as other problems like cardiovascular disease. The hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal gland axis may play a role.
I definitely think stress contributed to my cancer, as has my comorbidity. I just announced my resignation from a job that I was beginning to worry could make my cancer come back - I just had that feeling somehow. A huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders and I am no longer so worried about this.
I have never doubted a connection between stress and cancer - which does NOT mean that everyone who gets BC had stress, of course.
But studies also show that caregivers to seriously ill people who die have high rates of falling ill themselves. Again, not a guarantee, but something psychiatrists have noticed.
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Well....from my 16 year old son, who, if I may brag for a moment, is really brilliant (lol) in all AP classes at an outstanding college prep private school...
"Mom, everyone has cancer in their bodies. I believe there is a "perfect storm" of having cancer in your body, and experiencing a horrible stress and physical illness at the same time, that causes a malignancy to manifest itself"
He reminded me that a few years before I was diagnosed, my sister was diagnosed with a stage 111 brain tumor (shes a single mom and we took care of her and her 4 kids for 9 months), my Dad unexpectedly passed away during a "routein" heart surgery procedure, and my husband (just turned 40) was diagnosed with an early stage but rare cancer in his colon.... At the time of my Dad's death, I had the worst case of strep throat in my life. At the hospital, which I was called to go to, wasn't planning to go with strep, but told Dad wasn't going to make it, a Dr I didn't even know went to the apothecary there and got me meds. It was awful....
So, yes, I feel like my body was emotionally and physically under assault for the 6-8 years before I was diagnosed. I'm also the type of person that everyone relies on and thinks is very strong, because I can keep going right thru a crisis. But, sometimes, that's not the healthiest way to live, either. -
I was diagnosed with BC in right breast end of Nov 2011, I was given the option of a lumpectomy however my mother (who was diagnosed with alzheimers 15 years ago now in a special home because has no memory at all) had right CA had rad mastectomy then tamafoxin for 5 yrs - 6 months later diagnosed with CA on Left breast they took 3/4 of her breast she did not want reconstruction. I opted for a bilateral mastectomy with immediate reconstruction with silicon implants. The site where the cancer was the skin died 4 weeks post-op, back to surgery revision of site skin died again, back to surgery for a flap tube taken from under arm to under breast graphed to open wound thankfully it took. the graph was separated 3 weeks later in doctors office no pain at all. I was on 3 different antibiotics for 3 months causing sever diarrhea I am still having problem after another month. I returned to work at end of March full time now I am finding difficulty with stress and my depression has increased dramatically so much that I cant work in addition to exhaustion. My family is extremely supportive in additionally have several medical problem very low iron levels and cant tolerate any oral iron supplements seeing my hematologist later this week my rheumatoid arthritis which has been mild since childhood has now flared up. Is anyone having any difficulties with additional depression and exhaustion and what are you doing to over these obstacles? Sorry for the lenght of this post but I wanted to include important info. thank you
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TheDivineMrsM - Maybe it is how we carry the stress that affects us more than the amount of stress we have? I carry mine like a weight.
I was diagnosed shortly after THE most relaxing vacation ever, after years of high-stress events.
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