April/May 2012 Chemo hang out
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Sandik-I told you we were long lost twins---- I'm going on Monday for labs, PET scan and echocardiogram. My oncologist changed the scan order from bone & CT scans to a PET scan after I told her that I am highly allergic to iodine. None of that type of contrast dye for this kid. The echocardiogram is for the Herceptin clinical trial I signed up for since my HER2 score is a +1 which is considered negative. I am not getting the Red Devil chemo protocal--- I have Taxotere & Cytoxan for 6 rounds every 3 weeks. Thanks for letting me know what day of the week you are picking for your chemo. All I know is supposedly on Day 3 of mine, the SE's start to appear. Oh joy.....
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I am on day10 and doing good. I have had very mild nausea once a day for two days that my under the tongue med wipes right out. A good thing cuase my other med knocks me out and affects my work. My sister and her two daughters are living here after being displaced by the storm. I am glad we can help but we often don't see eye-to-eye and her crisis has overtaken the household. It's not hre fault obviously. I am working on boundaries because I want my treatment to come first but it is not always easy. My husband and I have to go to our room to speak openly about lots of things that are personal. Really bad timing to have an extra family under my roof. This will pass. She is looking for a place.
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Stacie- I hope stress relief is quickly on the horizon for you. Never easy to extra people in the house no matter who they are.
I have a quick question about chemo--- are you at home on the bad day alone or is there someone with you? The reason I ask is that supposedly Day 3 of my type of chemo is supposed to be when SE's show up. My DH is concerned about me being home alone.
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Someone was here because my adult son was staying here he is gone now. I did not have any SE's that I could not have gone through alone. Not sure what others would say. I like my hubby here to feel sorry for me and my teenager to bring me stuff, but I feel confident about being home alone.
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Thanks Stacie!!! Always good to hear you could have managed alone but so much better when someone is there.
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I have done both home alone and home with help. Help is nicer, especially if nausea is bad, because you will eat and drink better with someone around to prepare food (or go get what random food sounds good to you). If you won't have help, try to set yourself up for success by doing as little as possible while you're alone -have food that is pre-prepared so all you have to do is heat it up, have food at home that is the sort of thing you would eat if you felt sick to your stomach (chicken soup, jello, etc). Don't plan to do any major work - sit on the sofa! That way, you won't find yourself too tired to take care of yourself halfway through the day.
I do NOT advise entering with the mindset that the first cycle will tell you how the rest will be. For me, each cycle was different, 3rd dd a/c (of 4) was the worst, and I've heard other patients say the same. I worked through parts of a/c and taxol, it's doable, but I was tired. If you have a workplace where you sit a lot and your coworkers are supportive, it should be ok. But listen to your body, everyone is different.
At this point, I've been on chemo since December, and I can tell you that SEs ebb and flow. I have more problems with SEs when my life is really busy/stressful. If I am resting a lot and have lots of help, I feel pretty good. If the house is a mess, we need groceries, work was full of cranky people, and my son has an event I need to attend.....you get the picture. Also, the further into this you get, the harder it is for your supporters -so rally the troops early, and get outside help lined up now, because it's a long haul. People like to help, don't wear yourself out. Take the free casseroles and babysitters. Pay for a housekeeper. It's not worth ending up in the hospital with an infection b/c you overstressed your body.
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velutha - thanks for the insight.
I was under the impression that the first cycle would set the barometer for how the other cycles would go. Thankfully, I had a pretty easy first cycle with lots of support. Thought I could cut back on support for upcoming cycles.
Question: if I need to maximize support, what would be the key days for me to have someone with me to help get meals, etc?
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Ddac: Day 2 was usually fine for me. Day 3 - 5 or 6 were the hardest, but I felt great on day 5 and lousy on day 6 for some cycles. I found bone pain to hit max around days 7 -10, but that was manageable with Motrin. Day 1 I was just sleepy and felt weird. I tried to get laundry, groceries, etc right before a treatment, and cooked foods I knew wouldn't taste bad.
For taxol, I've found either day 3 or 4 I'm really tired. Which day depends on how busy I am day 2. -
sade, They run around $1500 for the Penguin brand, and I don't think many insurances cover them.
AnnieJohn, I wonder if your wife's onc has researched the caps. My onc did, and said the studies stated the chance for scalp mets was minuscule.
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So I am trying to get an idea of how long I will be at the hospital getting my chemo infusion, can anyone tell me how long it usually takes, and what to expect?
Kristy
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wildflower2828- The time for the infusion is dependant upon what chemo combo you are receiving. My chemo combo is Taxotere & Cytoxan and was told it would take about 2 hours. You may want to visit and tour the infusion center before you have the first one. My DH and I toured the infusion center twice so we could check out exactly where everything was situated ( check in, nurses station, private infusion rooms, rooms with four infusion stations, patient refrigerator, etc.) I also got some written info from my oncologist about the chemo I am receiving and possible side effects.
velutha- Thanks for your input about having someone at home after the chemo treatment to help. If my hubby can't be here, we now know that we need to prepare for me to be able to get things to eat/drink and will probably have one of my friends come babysit me or come check on me. Always appreciate the helpful tips and hints here!!!! THANKS!!!!!
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I was seriously thinking about cold caps and had read the threads, but aside from the expense what decided me not to bother was hearing that you can't dye your hair during chemo. Trust me, I'll look better with my wigs than wth skimpy mousy gray hair......
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Anyone with a port not use the cream to numb before they access it? Did it hurt?
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I haven't posted since last week but I start chemo tomorrow so here I am. I am doing a clinical trial (ISpy2) and will be starting with Taxol (weekly x 12), carboplatin (1 every 3 weeks X 4), and abt 888 (two pills daily). The abt 888 is the trial agent. It is a PARP inhibitor that is being tested for many cancers right now.
My port has healed well and I will be taking it out for its first test drive bright and early tomorrow. Hope you all are doing well.
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@ Sandik, I didn't use anything on my port prior to my infusion and I didn't feel anything....not even a pinch or a sting that the nurse told me I would feel.
@ LyndaMarie, I pray all goes well for you tomorrow and the days following. Do not hesitate to ask them questions!!! -
Anyone else having to deal with low white blood cell counts? I had my bloodwork done this past Wednesday which was one week after my first treatment. My WBC count is critically low. I was anemic going into this, so that is not good. However, I feel really good. I have mild nausea, that I am able to treat with Zofran. I am waiting for the other shoe to drop. Will my SE's be worse with each treatment? I feel very lucky that it has gone so well so far. I hate to even mention that because there are so many of you that aren't feeling well. No hair loss so far either. I just get this feeling that I am in the good zone right now, but that soon the hair will come out, I will feel depressed, and really start feeling like a cancer patient! I guess I should just enjoy the ride right now while it is good! Blessing to all of you as we go through this together!
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@ LyndaMarie Praying that all goes well with no adverse side effects.
@ Sandik I used numbing cream but was told that they could numb it at the infusion center if I forgot. Numbing it at home just took 30 minutes off my prep time at the center.
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@mcm24, I was really nauseated for about 4days straight. I cried a lot and felt really sad and depressed but I think it was because of the Reglan I was taking for the nausea. I'm 8 days after my first treatment and I feel perfectly fine. I still have my hair as well . I'm preparing for the worse but hoping for the best. I give it a light tug every morning I wake up to make sure it's still in tact. I totally agree with you about feeling like a cancer patient once it comes out. I pray God grants us all the strength to deal with the many side effects of our treatments and keep our minds at peace. I know during my "4 day imprisonment" I thought about a lot of crazy stuff!
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Got to love my insurance-- they won't approve the PET scan but I'm not surprised because of the cost. So I have to wait until Monday to find out if I'll be having the bone scan and CT scan without contrast instead. No biggie to me. The oncologist has to figure this one out and I don't (thank goodness). So until this gets sorted out, no tests means I don't start chemo just yet.
Since I'm still on my way to chemoland, I'm hoping that my SE's are not severe and tolerable. No one really knows how I will react to the Taxotere & Cytoxan but I know I just have to speak up and tell the oncologist about the SE's so I can get some help with dealing with them. I know all of us are not taking the same combo but as long as we keep talking about how we are dealing with the SE's, we continue to help each other and leaving no one behind here.
Wishing everyone a calm and peaceful weekend!!!! HUGS to all!!!!
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MUGA all done. Haircut tomorrow... chemo class on Monday a.m. ... LGFB Monday p.m. ... forging ahead and counting down to first infusion next Friday ....
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IndigoMont11- Before my UMX in March I got my waist length hair cut in a short bob. Sandik also has her hair cut in a short bob. We consider ourselves long lost sisters--- please join us as another long lost sister with a bob!!! We know we look really cute!!!!! Got my last drain out today!!! I'm doing the happy dance!!!!! Won't start chemo until all my tests are done-- doing lab blood work and echocardiogram on Monday and don't know when the rest of the scans will be. Can't start until those are done. It looks like you will start chemo before I do but I'm still here for you.
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I cut my hair short too and I am known for my long red locks. Awaiting the innevitable hair loss. Russell and I are off to spend the weekend with mine and his Dad. Both live in country and have super relazing homes. I wish a very relaxing weekend with loved ones for all of you. BTW, Lemonheads are "the bomb" for a candy to keep in your mouth.
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*doing the no-drain" dance for Melrose! Lol, my hair is in a shoulder length bob with long bangs and has been for awhile. My stylist teased me and said I have a short hair phobia.... but she's right! But I looked at lots of pics and I am going to try Michelle Williams' short cut with long bangs.
Both the wigs I bought are like my current hairstyle and I haven't had short hair since I was maybe 8 years old! I have a suspicion that I'll really like the short style - and then it will fall out!
I hope they fix the insurance problem quickly and am glad you don't have to hassle with it. I am so fortunate to have the insurance I do; the only problem I've had so far is, it won't reimburse me for the wigs, and in the grand scheme of things, I can live with that.
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Lemonheads, huh? My coworkers sent me a huge care package with lots of hard candies but I like Lemonheads so just might grab those too.
Enjoy your weekend! Hugs, Indigo -
@indigo: congrats on being drain free! It's liberating : )
Re: hair loss - if you're on adriamycin/cytoxan, hair pretty reliably starts to fall days 14-17. Because I was on q14 day cycles, I chose to have my stylist shave my head all over with a #2 right before my 2nd infusion, because I wanted to go to the stylist while I felt good, not right after a treatment. Like others have said, being strung out on chemo can make you sad, didn't want to pile a head shaving onto that. But some ladies choose not to crop/shave hair b/c they would rather hold on to what they have for as long as possible. IMHO, I look pretty decent bald, and think I would look sillier with patchy hair. Some people say their scalp hurts as the hair is falling out -I'm not sure if that's coincidence (the chemo is giving you pain at the same time) or for real, but I had a headache at that time that I didn't have for the rest of chemo.
While you're waiting to start, I'd shop for scarves/head coverings. Look at your wardrobe and coloring to figure out what will look good. I like silk or cotton square scarves because they breathe well and are easy to tie. With my coloring, browns work well -I have a leopard print I wear a lot, and I have a silk that is brown with small pink and blue flowers that goes with almost all my clothes. I found busy prints are hard to match with my clothes. And having at least one sleep turban to throw on is awesome. www.headcovers.com has been my favorite source, but I've gotten great deals at dept stores, thrift shops, etc. You need a good 5-10 if you're daring enough to go without a wig regularly.
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Talked to my oncologist's office about a start date. It looks like it will be April 24th and then every 3 weeks for 6 rounds. I've put that on the calendar and I'll be finished in early August assuming there are no delays. As for the PET scan, the hospital just called and quoted me the "cash " price of over $4,400K/ retail is about $7,400. The insurance has already approved the CT scan w/ or w/o contrast so my bet is I will have the CT scan unless the doctor appeals the insurance decision for PET and gets it approved. Always possible.
Lemonheads are sounding pretty good to me right now. I'm going to get some---- don't care about the sugar!!!!! I've been doing some shopping to get those chemo supplies for home and to take with me to the infusion. Since I am icing during the infusion, I found these nifty pot holders at Target that I can stick an ice bag and my hands in and still hold things while I get my chemo infusion. As for the toes, I'm just going to put ice bags on top of my toes. Yep, I plan to wear socks so those toes don't totally freeze off. Cutting those nails short and painting them with clear polish very soon.
IndigoMont11- I almost opted for the Michelle Williams cut but I thought it was a little too drastic from super long to super short. I may still get one though since it would be the haircut I would have prior to having a punk mohawk. Lol......
Stacie-- thanks for the lemonhead tip! Yummy!!! Enjoy your relaxing weekend!!!!!
Have a wonderful safe weekend !!!!! HUGS !!!!!
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Had my first chemo and got home a little bit ago. I am feeling fine. My husband brought me some tylenol as I think I might be getting a headache. I am a bit jittery but I think that is from the steroids they gave before chemo. Altogether, I think the first night is going extremely well. I understand it will likely get worse but I will have to wait and see.
Funny story (at least to me): When I stood up at the end of my infusion, I swear I felt a surge of warmth and fullness in my left breast (where my tumor(s) still reside). I could picture the little cancer cells yelling "Oh Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!" as they ran, covering their heads from the attack (Yes, in my head, the cancer is like a colony of little cells with head, arms and feet!) Take that, here is your first eviction notice....hee...hee...hee...
I am hoping to figure out wigs and scarves this weekend or next. Might cut my hair short first. Not sure yet. They say the taxol only thins it but the Carboplatin takes it out between weeks 2&3.
Melrose - it stinks to have to fight with insurance. I hope they get the PET covered for you. yippee for drains out!!! I have not had surgery yet but think drains are going to be a pain.
Indigo - My insurance today also said no to wigs for BC but yes to wig for alopecia. My MO wrote reason for RX as Alopecia so I don't if that will help.
Hope all are having a great night!!!
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LyndaMarie- No biggie about the insurance. I'm lucky to have it and lucky it has paid for quite a bit already. As for drains, well.... they are just drains and necessary. I had my UMX w/o recon (2 drains) on 3/14 and had emergency surgery to correct a bleeder (1 drain) on 3/25. I've been dealing with drains for a month but I decided I needed to be patient and get them out when the time was right. I've been wearing some Champion zip up dri fit exercise jackets with inside pockets I got from Target for about $30.00 each They are super soft and comfy and each pocket can hold two drains. I also have a camisole with velcro drain holder pockets that I didn't wear very often since I was put in ace bandages after each surgery. I love your visual of your chemo serving the eviction notice to your cancer!!!!! I already have visuals in my head of the chemo kicking the cancer right out of me!!!!
Peace and calm to all and wishing minimal SE's for all!!!!
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10 days in, from first infusion and i feel great, mild SE. no depression, i know you might find it hard to believe, but you alone can control how you feel. keep moving doing your daily activities, if your tired lay down, sit down, sit outside, ask for help but, stay positive. i was worried that i would be bummed when/if my hair fell out, had 54 waist long dreads, but i cut em and shaved my head. i feel great, look great and am in a peaceful state. i know times will change and things will come up but i can do it and so can you. we have done the hardest part...making the decision to ride the train. the rest is about getting well, taking control of our boobs
when you get down realize that its only temporary. flip it take back control and smile. just smiling at anyone, the lady in the store, people in the bank, smile at those in the treatment centers who may be really down cause they are stage 4...it will not only make you feel better but helps other. spread your light ladies
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Hi newbies to chemo! I am on the tail end of my treatment and got on here to see if I could offer support.
When they say that the first chemo sort of determines how the rest will go, for many of us it meant that the good days and lousy days will be on about the same schedule from one tx to the next. But the SE's increased in intensity each time. For me, days one and two were manageable, then days three to seven were bad. After that, I was pretty good until my next chemo. I had six rounds of taxotere/ cytoxan, three weeks apart.
Of course, everyone experiences chemo differently, but the support and information on these boards is so helpful. Like all the ladies before us, you will get through this. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Even the most independent women need all the help we can get to make it through treatment. Now is the time to ask your friends and family, and they will be so happy to help you.
Best of luck to all you ladies!
Barb
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