Getting pregnant after HER2+Breast cancer
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Hi all!
I was diagnosed in 2008, at the age of 30, with a HER2+ breast cancer. I made the surgery (limph nodes not affected), 6 cycles of chemo, 1 month of radiation, herceptin for 1 year and now I am taking Tamoxifen. I will turn this year 35 and next July 2013 I will finish tamoxifen (I am taking it for 5 years) and by that time I would love to have another baby! I have two kids, two boys (I was diagnosided when my sons were 2 years and 4 months, respectively). Now I feel great, strong, happy, I still have my mestrual cycle regularly, each month, and I dream of having one more child. My doctors say I should not but they do not present me with any convincing evidence or study. This is probably because there is not much cases like mine in my country (I'm portuguese), and I do not know anybody of my age with a cancer with such characteristics. Do you know anything about this subject? This is a dream that I really would like to accomplish! Thank u so much!
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RPS I think the real issue here is that your are horomone positive. I do believe your MDs are worried that getting pregnant will increase the horomones in your body. I would ask your doctors to give you some literature on the subject so you can understand.
Here is a link to check out: Pregnancy After Treatment
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There are a lot of very knowledgeable women on here who I hope will chime in (like Lago, one of the WONDERFUL women on here) and direct you to information that will help you make a wise choice. Be kind everyone!!! Try not to judge!!!
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Hi -- Lago is absolutely right, that has been the accepted belief by modern medical providers. However, the news today is helpful for this question.
The whole topic of who to trust and what and why is very challenging, whether one is discussing conventional or alternative.
As pathetic as it genuinely is, I got such a laugh out of the news today that is "letting us know" that it is safe for women to become pregnant after having toxic therapies for breast cancer. I'm not laughing at the women who have unfortunately had bc and want to become pregnant at all. It is just that after contemplating all the do's and don't's over the last 10 years since my treatment, it sounds very much to me like the Evil Estrogen that modern medicine has put the hex sign on for so long is FINALLY acquiring a more accurate evaluation..... after so many years of making women with bc paranoid about the use of it, and dusrupting any focus on what damage there may be by going to the nth degree with medical recommendations to completely eliminate it from all of the systems in our bodies where it has a healthy function.
A.A.
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Thank u so much for your info. My doubts are exactly due to the study posted by Alaska Angel, that I already knew. This study says that it is safe for hormone positive to get pregnaint after breast cancer stating that it could also decrease de risk of recurrence - which is a revolution of the previous medical thoughts. However, this study states that they do not have data for HER2+. Notwithstanding, the reason given to me so far for not having more babies is because it would rise my levels of estrogen, and the study specifically declines this reasoning. This is the reason why I do not know what to think...
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Have you brought this article/study in to your onc to discuss? It might be possible that your onc feels there isn't enough people in the study to warrant a change or there are flaws in the study. Of course that doesn't mean the study isn't true.
Also DCIS is frequently HER2+ but once it goes invasive it doesn't always remain HER2+. Is there a reason why you are stage I and not stage 0? Is there an invasive component to make you stage I? So I'm not sure if the HER2+ even plays a part in this decision.
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Hi Lago!
Thanks for your feedback. I already sent this study to my oncologist but she told me that she would never advise me to get pregnaint because she already saw sad stories during her medical life. My oncologist is about 60 years old, she is very wise and has a lot of experience. This is something she don't like to hear about, she thinks I should be happy with the two children I have and I should not think about this (in the past, with women with my age, doctors used to take the uterus and put them into menopause, so she thinks I'm lucky - I'm also not doing zoladex, recent studies that I found - not my oncologist -, did not find advantage of doing it in women below 40). As regards my stage, the information I have is in portuguese and probably I will not be able to translate it correctly but the literal translation would be "ductal cancer invasive of the breast". It is a HER2+++ (it has 3 + and I was told that is why it is so agressive). It was 1,2 cm and the nodes where negative, none of them was affected. Therefore, in terms of operation, I was very, very lucky, I just have a scar in my breast (but I feel ok about it) and my arm did not suffer anything. I have so many questions because I am person that likes to understand, of course I'm greatfull of being alive, but I want more than that, I want to know if the limitations that doctors want to impose me are justified or are just lack of knowledge and experience with my particular case (in Portugal doctors just aply the protocol, it does not matter if u are 30 or 60, u get the same treatment). For you to understand my reasoning, if I had this same type of cancer 10 years ago, my doctors would take all my breast and my limph nodes, but in 2008 they already knew that in my case it was not necessary and this discover completely changed my life, I have 0 phisical problems, I go to gym, I take my clothes in front of the other ladies at the gym and they would never guess that some day I had a problem, and that is so good!
I just want to understand if the concerns are valid or not and I do not find the explanation (I never found a study stating that pregnancy would increase my recurrence risk), and when I'm trying to get more information it seems that I'm offending the doctors because I should be grateful for being alive and not aspire to more than this. That is why your help is so important to me!
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I'm HER2-, so my input might not be right on the mark, but I wanted to chime in here. No research, just a personal story.
I was first diagnosed at age 37, when my kids were 3 and 6. ER/PR positive. I stayed on tamoxifen for 2-1/2 years and then had the talk with my doctor about trying for another baby. He agreed and said that pregnancy hormones can have a protective effect, so it should be okay. He warned me that there was risk, but we decided it was an acceptable risk.
I got pregnant right away, but unfortunately had a placental abruption at 19 weeks in June 2011. We were going to continue trying to get pregnant again until June 2012 and then give up and I would have my ovaries removed, to be safe. I was diagnosed last week with a metastatic recurrence.
I hear a lot of myself in your post -- I was healthy, I was cured, life was great! Why not get pregnant?
My doctor tells me that my decision to come off tamoxifen and try for a baby wasn't a factor in the new diagnosis - that it would have happened anyway; but I'm not sure I will ever be able to silence that voice in my head telling me this is my own fault for wanting another child.
I don't want to sound like I'm saying you shouldn't try. (If someone had said it to me, I'm not sure I would have listened either). I just hope that you really examine the possible consequences and you are prepared to deal with them.
I wish you all the best. It's hard to know what to do when there is so much conflicting information out there, but I am sure you will decide on the best course of action for you.
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RPS2008
The study in the link I sent is preliminary, and has yet to be debated and discussed and evaluated by scientific peers, so keep that in mind. I would keep an eye out online for any further scientific debate, but that will take a while and may be inconclusive even so. Still, the results are quite promising. Breast cancer research tends to delay our lives in many ways, often through a lack of adequate information rather than definite answers.
In the same way (lack of knowledge rather than knowledge), the answer to the question I have about the accurate value of ovarian ablation for some patients as an alternative to chemotherapy is on hold. I sympathize with you and the thousands of women who wait... and wait... and wait for real answers.
A.A.
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Thanks Alaska
. U are very nice!
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Thanks Kebab for your story. I believe this is the kind of story I need to hear.
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RPS2008 it sounds like you have IDC (invasive ductal carcinoma) not DCIS (ductal carcinoma in sito). I actually had both in my tumor. IDC being invasive being the invasive cancer.
With this agressive cancer it typically recurs in the first 3 years. The risk goes down even further after 5 years but being hormone positive there is a bigger long term risk but according to this article women with lower grade tumors tend to reoccur later. So I guess what I'm saying is maybe at least wait till the full 5 years of NED has passed.
I would really try to get some good information about this before you go ahead. I wish I had more to offer you but I don't. Would you ever consider adopting?
I have another question though. Are you sure you are grade 1? Typically HER2+ tumors are grade 3, sometimes grade 2. I'm not sure if I've seen anyone on the boards before with IDC HER2+ grade 1 tumor.
BTW my onc is also in her early 60's. That may seem old to you but not really. My LE MD is 74!
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Thanks Lago!
I will for sure just take this decision after finishing tamoxifen, which will be next June 2013 (at that time I'll be 35, turning 36), So I will have time to continue my investigations.
I have checked and u are right, I have grade 3. I will update my profile.
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I find it so interested that we have extrememly similar cases. I was diagnosed with triple positive in february, had surgery and just began chemo (ACT) last week. I am 32 years old and I have a 2 and a 3 year old and had to decided if i was going to freeze my eggs. We decided not to, and I dont know how I will feel in 5.5 years. I am currently struggling with chemo and being positive.. how did you do it??!!?
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I had ER/PR-, Her2+ cancer. I was underegoing IVF when I was diagnosed. I have one child. I wanted another so much so I understand how you feel. I am now trying to have another via gestational carrier. Even though I am estrogen negative I was informed that pregnancy hormone can cause growth of cancers.
Maybe you can consider exploring gestational carrier. There is a great website that is informative
www.surromomsonline.com A lot of the intended Moms are cancer survivors.
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Hi there,
I'm new to the site, and not sure if I'm doing this right and how it works, but my question is, now that it is 2013, did you make the decision to have a child, and did everything turn out okay, I myself has been struggling to this, for 2 and a half years now, I froze my fertilized eggs, and now after all that money I spent, I'm wondering if the best thing is to just forget about it and adopt, I was diagnosed sept 28,2010, I just turned 34,erpr positive, stage one grade 2, her 2 positive, 0 nodes involved, did TCH, 10 treatments, and 1 year of Herceptin, and trying to get through 5 years of tamoxifen.at 2 years in May, I've been reading all the sites for 2 years, and it scares me, I just don't know what to do, I want a baby so bad, but I don't want to get cancer back, thanks for your time..sang -
my heart goes out to you, I hear stories,of yours, but I do I so hear about some with a good outcome, after reading in Reading and search as knowledge, and I've been studying this for 2 years, this is what I have come up with, if it comes back it's going to come back regardless, it don't matter if you were, note negative or not, either it's going to be a good ok, or bad outcome I know women that never did any key Moen had a baby and they were fine, I know women that did chemo, no notes involved, and had a bad situation, I guess it's in your faith, and destiny, if it's meant to be it's gonna come back, if it's meant for you to have a baby after breast cancer, and for you to grow old with it, the night was God's will.. I have lost my faith, we have choices, and decisions, I just wish I would know, if I got pregnant, that I would be okay, but we just don't know, it's a leap of faith,hugs sang
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Good luck deciding. It is tough. I had my baby boy in November with the assistance of a gestational carrier. It was the best of both worlds, baby but no risk. He was born early but is perfect. I hope you have good luck and you get your baby, however you get him/her!
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