Ever had that feeling deep inside of just knowing?
Hi everyone
I use this site often for info, but I don't post much. But I would like to know if any of you ladies out there have ever just had that feeling of knowing and being right. When I first found my lump I just knew it was cancer, and it turned out to be IDC. Before my first surgery a mastectomy my doctor kept telling me that he really didn't think my lymph nodes were going to be involved. But I just had this feeling inside again that something was going to involve my lymph nodes but just didn't know what. When I woke up from surgery he told me everything was fine no lymph involvement. Then at my first post op visit he told me that I did have lymph node involvement and close margins. Back to surgery I went to have more lymph nodes removed. I also kept telling them my right clavicle lymph node was enlarged some , they said they didn't see it. Onc sent me for bone scan and MRI before chemo, well the right clavicle lymph node showed up enlarged that was a year ago. Onc had ultrasound done on my lymph nodes in neck region, results came back negative. I seen my onc 6 weeks ago, she was worried about my blood counts and the lymph nodes in my neck again. She had a pet scan done to rule out mets, again the pet scan came back good. But the lymph nodes around my clavicle bone are getting bigger and I just have the same feeling again that something is wrong. I see the surgeon in a week for my 6 month check up with him, should I push the subject with him more? Just wondering if anyone else has ever had the feeling of just knowing and been right even when test keep coming back okay?
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Not quite the same but here's my story.
Failed my first mammy and was sent for biopsies on both sides. Left cancer, right calcification cluster currently B9. Was given my options of lumpectomy UMX or BMX. Chose BMX because I just knew the right would eventually go bad and I do not want to do this again in 5-10 years. At my initial Med onc visit, he confirmed that in his experience, my gut was completely accurate. I know that my decision was the right one.......
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I just want to tell you that we are here for you. Big hugs to you, I know you are nervous.
Keep in mind that feelings are not fact. When you have a feeling about something that turns out to be true, that feeling is reinforced in your mind. All the things you had intuition about that didn't come true are forgotten.
The truth is, I had a good feeling that I would never face cancer again in my life. I was sure that once I got through all my treatment, I would be done with it and it would be a bad memory. I was 100% positive, and the odds were with me. And, my feeling turned out to be wrong, I was dx'd Stage IV only four months after my treatment regimen ended. I never expected it.
You are naturally worried and so you are turning that worry into more than it is. If you don't trust your doctors, find new ones. If you do trust them, then you have to let them use their scientific methods to determine what is going on with you and let it be. Human beings are prone to magical thinking and woman particularly base decisions on emotions, and we have to have a certain amount of trust and letting go through this experience.
Show your enlarged nodes to your doctor, by all means. You should never ignore anything, and neither should your doctor. If he doesn't believe any further testing is in order than make sure you understand exactly why and what the reason is. You had a good PET and that is a wonderful. PETs often show false positives and since yours came back negative, I think you really can relax a little bit. I don't know what other test he would do beyond that. But, you need to be comfortable that you understand what is going on with your body so make sure your doctor gives you all the answers you need.
By the way, I had no positive nodes and ended up with mets. I know a lot of women who had a lot of positive nodes who are many year survivors. The fact that you had a positive node, in and of itself, does not mean you are certain to get mets. You have the most treatable cancer with a negative PET so you have a lot to be hopeful about.
Discuss this with your doctor for certain but try not to get too tied up in feelings or intuition because all the doctors can go by are the tests, and you've had them. I know it's hard not to get caught up in anxiety. We all do it to a certain extent. We know what you are going through with your post-cancer recurrence fears. Let us know what your doctor says, okay?
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Yes, I have been right a few times now. My DX was on the right breast. The left had a few small cysts. All the scans showed those cysts benign. The docs were all convinced that the left breast was fine. I chose to have it lopped off, and the biopsy showed early stage cancer.
I refused tamox, because I was convinced that the large fibroids on my uterus were bad news and tamox can cause endometrial cancer. Onc thought I was being hysterical. Had hyster and biposy showed hyperplasia of the cells of the endometrium. Not cancer, but getting there.
So, yes, I would bring it up.
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Hi Avilla!
I have always 'gone with my gut' as far as this nasty beast in concerned. Sometimes, I am wrong since I did get to spend 10 1/2 years cancer-free from my first encounter in 1998. Didn't stop me from the thoughts but it did get easier to dismiss as results during that time were all negative. I was dx'd with the mets when I was feeling just fine sooo...if I were to weigh in here with an opinion, I would have to say 'PUSH'! There is no harm to err on the side of caution and given what you have stated, I think it would ease your mind greatly to push it. Do keep in mind that nodes will swell at times when fighting something and producing white cells due to something totally unrelated to the cancer. Blood work to eliminate or find another cause wouldn't be a bad idea. Just my thought...
Best to you!
LowRider
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No. I was totally oblivious to reality each time. Over the last 10 years, I had numerous call backs for suspicious mammos and each time, until the last time, they were negative. I got the surprise of my life when this one turned out cancerous. Then, every doctor and every scan indicated no nodes. I believed it 100% until I woke up from surgery and my husband told me that I had two with micromets. So, I hope you are wrong and this time it is B9. Believe me, we CAN be wrong. (((HUGS)))
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Thank you all for the support! Because all of my test have come back negative and I do trust my doctors I try to let it go. But the nodes have been enlarged for over a year without ever going back down and are on the same side as the breast cancer. They are actually getting larger even noticable to others. Just wish this little feeling inside would go away. I will definetly bring it up with my BS next Friday and see what his thought
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Thank you all for your support! Since all my test have come back neg except elevated ALP levels in my blood work, I try to let that feeling go. They lymph nodes have been enlarged for over a year now, and never gone back down this is what worries me the most. They are also on the same side as the BC was and getting larger. I just wish this feeling I have inside would go away, I really do hope it's just fear. I will definitely discuss this with my BS next Friday when I see him. I haven't seen him since my ONC appt with the raised blood work and PET scan, maybe he will help calm my fears. I do trust my doctors, just have heard so many stories of great scans then a few months later not so good. Thank you all for all the stories and support, it really does help look at all sides of this issue instead of just focusing on one!
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Just wanted to give a update to Fridays dr appointment. I showed my BS my enlarged lymph nodes, he said that it could be my bone. Not sure why my bone would be growing in that exact area over the past year? But I do trust him and my pet scan was negative so I'm going to try and let it go. I see my oncologist in 4 weeks, hopefully my blood work will be better then. Thank you all!
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I knew when I got my inflammatory breast cancer. As soon as the rash presented and with the other symptoms I was having, I knew. So thankful for a breast specialist that was able to diagnos and save my life.
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I have had moments of surety, of deep-down "knowing" before anyone else. When I first found my lump I knew it was breast cancer, even when doctor after doctor assured me I was over-reacting. When the surgeon went in to remove what he was convinced was a fibroadenoma, he knew I had been right all along. When I went in for my lumpectomy and SNB I was certain there was lymph node involvement - and I was wrong. When I had my Oncotype test I prayed for a zero but knew in my heart it would be high - and 42 is pretty darned high. So sometimes I am right, and sometimes I am wrong. There are other things I have "surety" about, but until they are confirmed I'll never know.
Once I was diagnosed and learned about potential outcomes, I allowed myself to worry about every little bump, bruise, cut, scrape or abnormality - real or perceived. Instead of being "sure" I now try to focus on being "aware" and making my MO aware of what I suspect. Sounds like your MO is listening to what you have to say, which is very good, and also sharing the results of your tests, which is good too. It can be hard to let go of that feeling of "knowing" in light of evidence to the contrary, because (for me) that "knowing" feels so darned strong sometimes. But try, if you can. And come back here often for support and hugs!
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Thank you for your post. Yes, my instincts did let me know there was something "wrong" before any signs occurred for cancer; yet I knew. I did not have a lump, as I had ILC, which presents as a flat pattern across tissue, so there were no signs, but I knew. So, I would say that your gut always knows, and that is Ok. The only issue with that has been for me is that one does not know what to do when the boundary between inuition and science is too wide. This can make us feel helpless, but I am not sure we have to. The good news is that if we catch it early by advocating and continuing to go to the doctor and say, "Something is wrong." The liklihood is very high that it will be caught early. What I have been trying to do with these "gut" instincts is to know that there are things I can do and things I cannot. For example, with or without scans, if I have that feeling I switch to a vegan diet, bump up the CoQ10, Vitamin D3, and exercise more than usual in an attempt to strengthen the cells in my body. It is all I can do. I check for other issues in my life that are unhealthy and try to mangae them. For example, are you under stress? Can you meditate or go to a therapist or support group or get acupunture? I think the hardest part is: When one knows they must trust these feelings no matter, what is it that is within one's control and what is not. What I have found is that there a a number of things I can control that do not have to do with denying the reality of my intuition, as, to be honest, my intuition has saved my life. With your lymphnodes, mine too are very swollen 3 year's out. I am beginning to see an internist who says my bilirubin is low, which means that my liver is laboring to work, which means some type of filtering is happening in my body. I believe my body is trying very hard to clean itself from the cancer treatments and it takes this long to do so. The scans, for me too, are showing up clean, but I know my body is fighting like hell to stablize and become healthy again. I am trying to help it. Some people actually go on a juice fast in order to cleanout the chemicals used to cure cancer. I am considering this. But most of all, I am trusting my instincts. If they are fear, that is fine, I am happy to be afraid of something bigger than me, and also happy to try anything I can that I have control to do so to help my body.
I hope this helps. I have met many women now who have said they even dreamed about having breast cancer before it showed up in their life. But the good news is, something inside of you is telling you something if "wrong" or "off" and it may not be cancer, but your body is telling you this and it is Ok to follow that. Perhaps a really good internist can help anlyze the other parts of your body too. I am in the process of doing that as for so long I focused on cancer in order to survive, but there is the rest of my body to contend with now. I went to see an acupunturist 6 month's ago and he looked at me and said immediately he could tell there was inflammation in my body and gave me herbs and also did acupunture on me. Until that happened, I forgot that my body is whole and intelligent.
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Hello
I have experienced the worries and anxiety that most face after going through breast cancer. When I talk about that feeling deep down inside, it's a calm feeling of just knowing. It's hard to explain, but it's a different feeling then when I have anxiety about what's going on. I feel like I'm trying to talking myself into believing it's nothing. That's why I was wondering if other women out there going through this have followed that feeling?
The area around my collar bone where your lymph nodes are located is enlarged enough that others notice it right away. I have had several people comment on it, and only my right side is involved. I'm a single mother with a five year old son, so sometimes I worry that I'm talking myself into believing it's nothing.
It does help to hear from other's and read about their experience's.
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Hi Avilla- for your peace of mind, why not ask for a fine needle biopsy? Then, if it's nothing, you can have peace, if it is something, it will get the ball rolling to treat it?
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Hi
I did ask my BS at my appointment last week about doing a biopsy, he said that he really wasn't worried about it because my PET scan was good. It only showed my thymus and they said that was rebound from my chemo, which ended a year ago this month. I do see my oncologist in 3 weeks, I'm going to bring all this up with her again and then go from there.
Just not sure if I should accept that it's nothing or keep pushing for the biopsy? I see the scans are clear, but yet my blood work is up.
Thank you
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If you search my post out on the ILC section, you can read about how I "knew" about all of this as well. I had 3 boob-dreams in a row and decided I should self-exam. NOTHING felt wrong and there was no lump, but a voice in me told me to go for mammogram and push to have tests. Mammo showed nothing and ultrasound showed nothing but they had a new MRI machine and there it was.
Back to ultrasound...nothing...so MRI again for the biopsy. Surgeon said no way MRI could be wrong on size...7mm is what they thought. I told them they were wrong. Turned out to be 1.8cm.
First onco said my oncotypedx score would be low..I knew it would be intermediate....I was a 20.
I do not know how I know these things, but now, when my gut tells me something, I do not discount it. I would rather be wrong and laughed at then the other way around.
Best to you. I am so sorry you are dealing with this.
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Avilla: I'm wondering if there's anything to be biopsied? I mean, if the doctor says your PET scan is fine and the lump you're seeing/feeling is actually your thymus (correct me if I'm wrong on this stuff), is there anything for them to biopsy? Hopefully your MO will be able to give you more answers - like, show me on my PET scan where there isn't anything? Or show me where my lump is and what it is? It's so scary to see/feel something there and have someone brush it off as nothing...
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Hi NancyHB
No, I actually have an area around my collar bone that has become increasingly larger over the past year. I also had a CT scan a year ago that showed and enlarged right clavicle lymph node. I had two different ultrasounds done on it over 6 month period, which showed it was neg for mets but it was still enlarged. I recently had a PET scan because my blood work was high for the first time to rule out mets. That is when my thymus lit up, but not my enlarged right lymph node.
I'm concerned because the area around my collar bone has continued to slowly grow larger over the past year. It has never gone back down in size at all, and is noticeable to others now.
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Avilla: Ok, I'm sorry I got my facts wrong (chemo brain - sometimes things just don't compute with me these days!) If it were me, I would be all over my MO to do something about it - figure it out, I don't care what it is, good or bad, just figure it out. Unless they could give me an answer that made sense, I'd be badgering them. Sounds like that's what you're doing - good for you for advocating for yourself and not letting them brush you off. I hope you get good results and that there is nothing wrong; please keep in touch and let us know how you're doing.
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Thank you for the encouragement, it's really hard to know when to listen to that gut feeling and push for answers or let it go.
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