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Kathy,
I was diagnosed at stage III with 4/14 nodes positive back in 2004. I had 8 rounds of dose-dense chemo, a bilateral mastectomy, radiation, and continued treatment with tamoxifen. Despite all of that, my cancer returned in 2009 to lymph nodes above the supraclavicular chain. Very limited mets, in one spot. I opted for aggressive treatment for this 100% ER+ cancer recurrence (6 rounds of taxotere) and could feel the cancerous lymph nodes shrinking after one or two treatments.
Now, 30 months later, I'm still NED and have been since chemo.
Please consider the good that chemo offers as well as the bad.
And remember, YOU make the choice after you consider all of the information offered you. No one will think badly of you regarding your decision.
Susan
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And by the way, Maud, I agree with you on the sugar issue.
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Scootaloo: If you read the thread, you would see that nobody did that. If they did, I'm sure the moderators would step in and say something. I am always careful to post that what I do for my benefit is for me alone and not a recommendation for anyone else. Everyone should be their own advocate and do research about their treatment options. Then they should make up their own minds about their treatment. Just going along with what a doctor recommends and not doing any of your own research is not smart either.
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'Mess with me and I'll go Wisconsin on your ass!"
Is that a threat ? because THAT is against the rules here AND elsewhere
I really don't respond well to intimidation, really rubs me the wrong way
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Yes, Scoot, posting violence is scary. Especially to breast cancer patients.
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Ang7: The doctor's advice on the Sixty Minutes segment was that we limit our sugar intake to a very small amount per day, like a small piece of fruit, not the 130 lbs a year that the average person ingests. That seems impossible, but true. It is in all of our food that we buy in boxed ingredients and all packaged and canned items. Until something is done to regulate this dangerous drug (IMO) we are all getting more than we need. If you want sweet in your coffee, try Stevia which is a natural sugar substitute and does not contain aspartame which is also bad for you.
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Scootaloo - No one on any of the threads has offered me advice. I am still researching and have not made any decisions yet re: chemo v. no chemo. I have an appointment with a second opinion doctor tomorrow who is considered to be one of the top 1% med oncs in the country. The girls were just referring me to authorized, legitimate medical reports based on clinical trials and helping to give me questions to ask him. I am still undecided until I speak with him. And I hope to come to my own conclusions very soon. Thank you for your avid interest.
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Thanks, Kathy! I wish the best for you.
My byline is a joke. Of course you all knew that, but had to say something back to me anyway. So yes, I'm going all Wisconsin on your ass. I'm circulating petitions right now. Pretty scary, right?
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Yeah, threats of violence are always a "joke."
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Maud~
Why do you feel threatened when I ask a question?
Thanks Kaara for your info.
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*eye roll*
And that's all I'm saying on that subject.
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Joy, there is no need to be so patronizing. I never said that I "believed" that chemo had killed all the cancer. However, according to the available studies, info and clinical experience, my docs and I have done all we can do medically to knock the cancer for a loop. I will also take femara for 5 years, exercise, watch my diet, limit alcohol and all the rest and, like you, hope for the best.
Also, I repeat, it is not that chemo does not work on ILC, just that you are less likely to get a complete pathological response. Even a 50% response is considered good and is certainly a sign of the chemo doing something, even if it is something less than 100%. I don't think it is prudent to consider anything less than a total 100% cure to be a failure and proof that the therapy does not work. At the moment, there is no cure. All we can hope for is to knock the cancer out long enough that we can get in a good dollop of life in the meanwhile.
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Scootaloo, thanks for your concern, that's why I've referred Kathy to proper studies and encouraged her to do her own research. Also I make a point of stressing that those who use chemo are to be admired. No one can decide for us. We have to take all the evidence we can find, consult our oncologist and go with our best option according to how we think and feel. Many studies confirm that hormonals alone are as effective as chemo plus hormonals for ILC, but the standard of care is still to recommend chemo. So it's entirely in the hands of Kathy, armed with as many facts as possible and her MO's advice.
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Thank you, Joy!
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Sorry Momine, I'm pretty dumb when it comes to knowing whether I'm patronising or breaking social conventions . I'm a bit like Sheldon Cooper with some degree of autism (Asperger's) and try to explain carefully so I'm not misunderstood. Is that what you mean? I never ever mean to be rude of hurtful as that is against everything I stand for. If anyone wants to beat me up for being different then go ahead. It's true, I'm pretty strange and find socialising in any form to be anxiety ridden and painful. But I do have feelings and am battling depression and lack of self-esteem. Thank you for listening.
Time for bed. I have a huge dental appointment tomorrow for a filling and a cap.
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TO EVERYONE -
I AM SO SORRY I have inadvertently caused such a controversy!!!
All I have tried to do here is get some "Alternative" viewpoints...nothing more. I am not asking for anyone's advice...I have not received anyone's advice...and I am certainly capable with the help of my MO and 2nd opinion MO and myself to make an educated decision about my treatment options. It is, after all, my body and my life and my belief system I will follow and not anyone elses.
PLEASE, let's each leave our misunderstandings at home. It's killing me to see what I have caused here. It makes me want to leave these forums and I really don't want to do that as they have been a lifesaver for me.
I love Sheldon Cooper because he explains things so very well. Many people misunderstand him, but, really, in actuality, in most cases, regarding what he's talking about...he is right!!!
Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. I LOVE everyone here and what they have to say. But, please, let's be respectful of each other and each other's choices, even if we disagree with them.
Okay? Make me feel better.
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Kathy~
Please do not feel like you have caused anything.
It has been hard for people to agree or disagree on this site since before I signed on in '09.
Best of luck to you.
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Joy, for those who have been around bco for sometime know that you are balance and fair. Hopefully no one intent is to beat you up. You are one of my bco favorites because you are a kind person.
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I read this morning in Proverbs 18:b... a wise tongue brings healing. We all need healing
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Ang, just so you know, I've put you on IGNORE
Kathy, please, don't play into their hands, that's exactly what they want, blame someone, make them feel bad, discredit them, pit us against each other, and they hope each and everyone of us will become so depressed and exhausted from their attacks that we will all leave BCO. I got baited into another thread yesterday and had to suffer 3 whole pages of attacks. I wrote a sister here who has recently left that this was it for me. But you know what: I'm gonna stay because I need sisters like you
Don't let them win, stick with us, please !
ETA - plus don't ever ever feel you have to justify anything to anybody here
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Thank you Maud.
You just keep up your "US" against "THEM" mentality.
That is why these boards are in such disagreement.
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Kathy, I'm not quite sure where you stand as I have not read through this thread. I agree with you in making an effort to not unnecessary getting into a heated battle over personal choices and opinions. I have left bco a few times due to rude and meanness. After awhile it gets tiring. But, I found myself coming back for help, encouragment and sometime to encourage others. One good thing about bco and similiar websites it is a place where we can talk about our bc concerns without troubling our families and friends. Even if others differ from us, they are a backboard where we can either vent or learn from.
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I had about an 80% response to chemo for my ILC - I am sure it would have been higher if I had also been getting herceptin and receiving chemo via Block institute strategies (i.e. you get chemo when your cancer cells are active and your healthy cells are resting - pretty amazing) instead of just regular ol' appt-based infusion. I'm quite passionate about pushing for the need for more integrative care. I don't feel the "us vs them" mentality is helpful from either viewpoint. BC sucks!
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Joy, no problem, just pointing out that it was not an accurate recap of my view. I come from a tribe of people with Asperger's traits and have quite a few myself, so I am certainly not about to beat you up on that account. Besides, I don't generally beat people up anyway.
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Ok, I am fairly agnostic when it comes to cancer treatment. That is, I believe in evidence-based interventions, but am very far from impressed with the evidence of conventional breast cancer treatment. I have used a mixture of conventional and complementary, but foregone what others may see as crucial conventional therapies because of my sheer lack of faith in them FOR ME. And frankly, I would never venture to say I know whether a stage IIIc person should take chemo or not. I will only know what I would do in that situation the day - God forbid - when I get diagnosed with stage IIIc. And even then I will not advise others on how to treat a frustrating disease with no known curewhen it invades the sanctity of their bodies.
BUT I do know when Bulls**t has arrived, and I've just seen it. This time, it comes in the form of professed horror over Scootaloo's signature. Accusing her of violence is utter, laughable nonsense. What this says to me is that, for a time, the discussion turned away from cancer and into politics. Let's go back to cancer. Discuss with Scootaloo and everyone else based on the merits of their contributions about cancer. This pathetic pretense of feeling threatened doesn't even amount to bullying, because it is too transparent to be threatening in itself. It's just a waste of everybody's time, and pure bunkum.
Edited for the usual quadrillion typos.
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Let's not invalidate anyone's feelings here. That tagline is offensive and that is the way I feel. Everyone else on BCO has the sensibility to at the least spell it a$$ when expressing themselves.
'It's just a waste of everybody's time, and pure bunkum" and you're perpetuating it.
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This discussion reminds me when my tag line was "Stop Canada"............
the grief I took from that...........and I do find it a bit ironic that the gals that found that so offensive seem to be on the other side of the fence now..........
very interesting..........
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"This discussion reminds me when my tag line was "Stop Canada"............
the grief I took from that...........and I do find it a bit ironic that the gals that found that so offensive seem to be on the other side of the fence now..........
very interesting.........."say what ?
So you all intend to disrupt this peaceful conversation amongst like minded sisters even managing to scare newcomers away. What gives ?
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Well, shokkaroo, that was because you were going after a specific group of people with your "STOP CANADA" tag line.
It should please you that I removed the scary and offensive ASS from my tag line and substituted "big toe." All better?
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I have been reading about DIM, a natural estrogen blocker. Many women on here are choosing this route, and I assume it is working? I finally found what it is and read about it, my question is that if we ER+ women are supposed to avoid soy,then how is everyone taking this med that contains soy? I would love to take it rather then Tamox or an AI, I have had enough. I may go see a naturopath to get some answers and help. I dont know why we have to suffer so much to protect our selves. This med seems like the answer to so many of us but I still have some doubts.
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Nice work, attacking a Stage IV sister - you girls should be really proud. We should to be able to have anything we like in our tag line even the word ASS or ARSE.
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