March 2012 chemo

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  • KCB
    KCB Member Posts: 365
    edited March 2012

    Bit of heartbreak tonight when I talked to my kids about the fact I can feel my hair letting go. We've been talking about it, I wanted to keep it on their radar, sometimes joking about it, but I guess to know it is really really happening is sad... For me too obviously, but I wonder if they worry I won't be their mom without my big curly wacky hair. My son cried, I was so sad, my daugter said she wishes I never had BC....sigh. Me too.

  • munnybunni
    munnybunni Member Posts: 156
    edited March 2012

    kitb04...mine is a/c every three weeks also...a total of 4 treatments

    hope u do well

    kymm  u look great

  • Lumpynme
    Lumpynme Member Posts: 747
    edited March 2012

    sending out hugs from Ohio tonite to all of you!

  • Masserz
    Masserz Member Posts: 92
    edited March 2012

    Caitlin, I'm sorry to hear about the additional node involvement. Plea keep us posted as you learn more!



    Diane, good luck with chemo and feel free to pop back in and let us know how you are doing...we'll all be here for a while!



    Sissy, I wish I could give you a real hug. My husband used to travel a lot and I know how lonely I got then and I wasn't even dealing with this. I can only imagine how much harder that makes it. But you aren't really alone...we all care very much for you and will be here for you whenever you need us.



    Katy, I'm sure that was a hard conversation, but the good thing is kids are amazingly adaptable. They will get used to the temporary new you. My son has adjusted to me walking around with my egg head and even jokes with me about it now. Just be strong for them and it will become less scary when they see you're still their mom!



    Karri, your cupcakes turned out lovely!



    Catherine, brain hiccups are my new life. Two days ago I backed my car out of the garage and knocked my mirror off cuz I wasn't paying attention. Today I took one of my meds and two minutes later was sitting staring at the bottle wondering whether or not I had actually taken it. I have to text my shopping list to myself now because I keep forgetting or losing the list...I could go on all night.



    Well, gotta go get some rest before tx#2 tomorrow. Hope the Ativan kicks in to counter the steroids soon or I'll be staring at the ceiling again...



    Hope everyone has a good night! : )

  • Kadia
    Kadia Member Posts: 314
    edited March 2012

    Hugs to you, Sissydi!

  • Kadia
    Kadia Member Posts: 314
    edited March 2012

    And to everyone!

  • tellie_savalis
    tellie_savalis Member Posts: 121
    edited March 2012

    Sissydi- wish i was closer, we could ne chemo couch potatos together!  I hope you feel better!  If there is anything I can do let me know. 

    Mas- hope all goes well tomorrow! 

  • khintul
    khintul Member Posts: 33
    edited March 2012

    Kymn

    Thank you so much  for checking in with us - it is so encouraging to hear from someone who's already been through this stuff!

    And your picture is great - you look wonderful!!

    I am now on day 10 of cycle #2 A/C, and it looks like I'm under house arrest again due to low neutraphils. The count this time was 0.1 instead of just plain 0 like it was last time, but still so low I'd better stay away from pretty much everything! Seems like I'm just very vulnerable to getting the extremely low white count numbers.

    The main SE is the ungodly fatigue! I can barely drag my carcass from one place of rest to the next. My exercise bike is sitting here in the living room quietly laughing at me. I know it will improve, and thanks to posts like Kymn's, and others who have checked in here I just hold those thoughts at the front of my mind. Only 2 more A/C tx to go, and maybe with the Taxol it will improve. I sure hope so anyway. 

     I discussed the fatigue with my MO when I saw him this week, and we have decided to discontinue the Decadron after infusion to see if that evens things out a bit. He had me taking it for the 3 days following chemo - that would buzz me up, but seriously mess with my sleep, and then after the 3 days would come the crash when my legs feel like lead, and I'm not worth a darn. He says the reason for the Decadron is to ward off nausea, and I've got other meds to do that also, which I really haven't needed much at all. May need them more without the Decadron, but we'll see. 

    Like they say about old age, this ain't for sissies!

    Hang in there everybody, we will get through this and then we can be the ones checking in to tell others how it does get better!

    Karon

  • journey4life
    journey4life Member Posts: 517
    edited March 2012

    Wow - gone for a day and so many posts to read! I can't respond to every post but know that I read each one and smiled, understood, agreed, or was saddened.

    Sissydi - (((hugs))) I have 5 dear friends who have been supporting me since my diagnosis. Like yours, they were very active in the beginning but have slowed up as this journey goes on. From the beginning, they told me more than once that if I needed or wanted anything, I should call them. They wouldn't know when or if I could use their help and they didn't want to interfere with my recovery from tx. I am learning that we BC warriors are strong (with weak moments) and sometimes its difficult to ask for help - we think we can do it, or we think our friends should "know." Most don't. Give one of your friends a call, tell her you're down and ask her to come over. She may surprise you. Let us know!

    Caitlin - so sorry to hear about the possible additional node involvement. Be sure to keep us posted.

    Michelle - love the chemo-sabe!! I may have to share that with my clinic. Thanks for the chuckle.

    Corky - I love your upbeat attitude and the way you look at this BC crap. I try to take something away from each of your posts.

    about brain hiccups - what a great way to describe those moments when thoughts disappear...I know exactly what you mean!

    My good moment from yesterday - it was Tx2 A/C and everything went smoothly. My nurse, NP and other staff loved my buzz and said I should keep it short after all this is over. They actually made me feel feminine and "normal."

    Best wishes for those who had tx yesterday and those going today. May your SEs be minimal and good days be many! We can and will do this!!

  • onvacation
    onvacation Member Posts: 1,344
    edited March 2012

    Good morning ladies!  Almost Friday!  WOOHOO!  Everyday I wake up and fist pump when I feel almost NORMAL!  It is the little things in life that mean the most now.  I love this board and all the support we get and give each other.  Not sure I could get through some days with out it. 

    Get out there and make it a great day!

  • MichelleMassey
    MichelleMassey Member Posts: 213
    edited March 2012

    Morning all! Day 4 TX 1 and feeling cruddy. Loss of appetite kicked in last night had to force dinner down. Little achy, but mostly just tired. Think I'm going to turn up the electric blanket and go back to sleep for a while.

    Kim-so glad you're having a normal day! Enjoy it! We need to embrace them when they come.

    Lisa-you're still feminine and normal! It's going to take more than a buzz cut or baldness to take away who we are.

    Have a great day all, going back to sleep for a while!

  • CaitlinB
    CaitlinB Member Posts: 121
    edited March 2012

    Hi Ladies,

    Sissy, I would come take care of you if I could.  (((HUGS)))  Yesterday I learned of a program that you might find helpful.  There are two.  One is a Wisconsin program, but the other is through the American Cancer Society.  It is a mentoring program that they match you up with another person that is about your same age and similar diagnoisis.  It is called Reach to Recovery and you can call1.800.227.2345.  I will PM you with my phone number if you ever want to talk.  :-)

    KatyCB, I hear you on the hair thing.  There is another thread that focuses on hair: hair, hair, hair on this forum.  I am planning a little party this weekend to shave mine off.  I think my brother and my husband are going to shave theirs too in solidarity.   Then we will have a bite to eat.  I think it will be very emotional and at the same time liberating to take some control back and give cancer the big ole finger!  Maybe your son and your hubby would join you.  I asked my mom, but she said she was too vain...can't say that I blame her.  :-)

    Glad to hear that everyone is keeping up the fight.  Every time I have bad SEs I am going to say, BRING IT, because I know it's killing the bad stuff too!

    Love  to you all!

  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited March 2012

    Morning all...can't seem to get going this morning...bad dream last night that I do not want to put into words.  I know it is just a manifestation of fears but still it was real to me :(  Cried telling DH about it this morning and then (and this is actually funny) I was like "oh no, you aren't supposed to tell a dream before breakfast or it will come true!"  He just shook his head at that point and left for work.

    Karon - boo on the count :( so is the neutrophil a seperate number than just the white count?  I have never gotten a specific count for netrophils, just my WBC.  Just curious.

    Katy - sorry for the sad conversation.  I am doing the same with my kids, we talk about things, just joke about it matter of factly but then there are moments in there where bam, it just hits you (and them.)  Or we will be watching TV or something and there will be a show or commercial about cancer and you almost feel everyone not looking at each other until the moment passes.

    CAYH and January - good luck to you today and others starting TX. January, I feel the same way about my hair - I got it cut shorter and it is so much easier that I may not ever go back to the longer length I had!  I even feel like my wig is too long now!

    Caitlin - sorry for the node :(  hope you are feeling better today after your dance with the devil.  My nurse told me that the MO requested they start calling A the "Red Warrior" (rather than the red devil) and she told her "we don't call it that, they (the patients) come in here calling it that!"

    Oh and Caitlin my DH says that he shaves his in solidarity - but he has shaved his head for the past 5 years so that one doesn't work!  My brother is rapidly losing his and buzzed it down short but I told him head looks too weird so he could keep the little he had left!

    Sissy - (((HUGS))) - I will echo what others have said.  PM me anytime.  I will regale you with tales of things my kids and cats do.  As you can see from my posts here I can "talk" in typing for indeterminate periods of time.

     Ok, I am already feeling better just for "talking" here so far. I think I will get up and clean the kitchen. One last thing... I have decided not to go to my youngest DD's DI Competition Saturday (a school thing) because of my white count being lowish and just the sheer number of kids - it is a huge thing and you go watch the competition for like 10 minutes and the rest of the time is strictly "hanging around"  I just thought it would be best for me not to be around that number of school kids all day so DH is taking her.

    So, for whatever reason, I guess as a consolation prize for me not going,  I was thinking of letting her have her friend spend the night tomorrow though.  When her friend is over, they go to her room and pretty much, eat, sleep, play back there so it isn't like she will be around me much.  I asked her mom to make sure nothing was going on and she said she is fine as far as sickness but does have allergies and a swollen lymph node - I guess from the allergies as well. (She wanted to tell me everything that was going on bc she understand about chemo - her mom had undergone it last year)  Opinons?  The child will not be hugging on me or even using the same bathroom so that should be ok, right? (and yes, I am aware allergies are not contagious)

     I never ever know when I am being TOO crazy about things because I do go overboard.  Like I have to wipe my counters down 3 times with Clorox spray bleach after I cook with raw meat (even if only the package touches the counter).  It has to be 3.  But that is another story....

  • Sissydi
    Sissydi Member Posts: 516
    edited March 2012

    Thanks to you all for being so supportive. I am used to being the strong one; I'm always on the other side of stuff like this......I am a mentor at my church and an RN, you would think I would know better, lol! All this will only make me better at empathy and compassion. I just miss life as I knew it, and I am a delayed reactor, so I'm in a grieving period right now, I'm sure. Plus, I'm physically tired, and we all know what that does to our psyche.



    Caitlin, I'm reposting your last sentence again......love it!



    "EVERYTIME I HAVE BAD S.E.'S, I'M GONNA SAY,BRING IT!, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S KILLING THE BAD STUFF TOO!"

  • KCB
    KCB Member Posts: 365
    edited March 2012

    Karri: your posts always lift me up...you just make it feel like real chatting and that's so nice and comforting.

    I've had kids sleep over here since I started, after about my day 12 or so...and yes I am wiping every surface with disinfectant wipes as well...peace of mind. It's good that the other parent understands about the germ issue.

    Caitlin: I may arrange a little buzz ceremony too, when it's time...my hubby also offered to shave his down...I guess it helps them, too to feel there is SOMEthing they can do, aside from watch us go through this..Also, the kids felt better this morning and gave me lots of hugs for courage befroe they went to school.

    Karon: do you have to stay in "isolation" the whole time, or just the middle week?

    many hugs to all today,

  • Sissydi
    Sissydi Member Posts: 516
    edited March 2012

    Karri, you should be fine with the sleep over. Sounds like your being very diligent! And they'll be in the back bedroom anyways ;)

  • khintul
    khintul Member Posts: 33
    edited March 2012

    kitb04 and KatyCB -

    Something I never knew before this - yes, the neutraphil count is separate from the WBC; my understanding is that neutraphils are a component of the WBC, and make up the largest part. For instance, my WBC was 0.8 when my neutraphils were 0. Both those numbers are totally pathetic, and give me virtually no defense against anything I might come up against. 

    As to how long I have to stay in "isolation", I won't really know whether the counts have come up until I go for the next chemo treatment - they will check counts before they determine if they've come up enough to go ahead. For now I'm listening to my body, and today I woke up feeling better, so I'm assuming the numbers are starting back up. I still am going to use extreme caution in being around people - wear a mask, limit my outside the house exposure. It's a PITA, but a better price than winding up in the hospital.

    At least today I feel like making a list of things that I need to do; haven't even had the energy to make a list, much less do anything on it! One day at a time.

    Karon

  • KCB
    KCB Member Posts: 365
    edited March 2012

    Karon, have a great time making a list...I had a day like that last week when I woke up thinking "what should we do today" instead of thinking....absolutely nothing. No brain.

  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited March 2012

    Karon - that is what I thought about that being more of a "sub" area of the white count...I have such a fear of germs in general that my SIL who works at a lab is always saying I just need a HAZMAT suit.  I am going above and beyond even with my 3.6 total WBC.  I wash my hands constantly even just in the house.  I hope you find some energy to make that list!  On another note, I see you are in Tulsa - we very nearly visited the zoo there earlier this year but I twisted my ankle the day we were to leave so we went to Branson instead...you are probably about 4 1/2 hrs from where I am.  Getting too hot now for that kind of trip.  I am a weinee when it comes to summer.

    Katy - awwww thanks...I really don't like to talk (like on the phone) so I don't know why I type so much...its just easier I guess.  Maybe I should start writing a book instead of just posting on the message boards all day, lol!

    Thanks all for the input on the sleepover - I think I will just wait til tonight and make sure the other little girl is feeling ok before I make a decision...of course, then MINE has to clean her room so I have to give her some notice - lol.   

    Ok, I am REALLY going to clean the kitchen now.  I so hate unloading the dishwasher.  I don't mind loading it but hate to unload the clean ones.  I should be grateful I have a dishwashwer...see there I go again...

  • shera
    shera Member Posts: 184
    edited March 2012

    Amy -- I'm a big believer in listening to our bodies. You have to follow your own intuition, but if your body is screaming "no chemo" -- then maybe your body doesn't need it. There are a number of other ways to treat and help prevent -- dietary changes for one can help build immunities and help with prevention. You had hormone positive, so in addition to tamoxifen, etc. ... you can also look at environmental ways to reduce estrogen dominance.  If your body is extra sensitive -- who knows -- maybe 1 treatment was enough for you. I know its a gamble and scary -- its a gamble for all of us no matter what we do or don't do. Sorry you had to lose your hair before discovering this though... but its already growing back since you're done with chemo... right? 

    SO on the note of bald heads -- here's a laugh for the day:

    My bald head is full of unhappy hair folicles and I have a rash. At my appointment at the oncologists yesterday -- I saw the physicians assistant -- and she couldn't remember the name of the lotion for this -- she was trying to find it in a book -- then she just wrote something down. I figured she must've remembered. 

    Well... according to the pharmacist -- she prescribed VAGINAL CREAM for me to use on my head!

    They wouldn't give it to me without speaking to my oncologist -- who was home for the evening. So I'll find out today if she screwed up.  I think she did.  What a waste of time and how embarrassing that I had to have this conversation in public with the pharmacist! You can't make this stuff up. 

  • shera
    shera Member Posts: 184
    edited March 2012

     

    Diane -- good luck -- many of us will still be going through April -- so stop back and say hi!

     

    Sissy -- I too, am grateful for social media. Have wonderful friends... but no one can truly know what its like unless they go through it.  It is amazing to connect with women from all over the world as we help each other along these dark days back to health!  Sending out warm hugs to all from unseasonably warm New York.

     

    Catherine... my brains has been having visual hiccups. Anyone else? Is it because I'm an artist that I notice this? I see things wrong. Its like I'm hallucinating. Its happened a few times after each infusion. 

     

     

    Masserz -- in case no one posted instructions for posting picts yet -- its like this:

     

    1. you need to upload an image somewhere on the internet -- I use photobucket and my blog. I bet you can use facebook too. It needs to have URL address. I don't think you can upload directly from your  computer to these forums. (someone correct me if I'm wrong!)

    Facebook and photobucket have options for making photo albums private! 

     

    2. Click the image icon that looks like a little tree

     

    3. in the window that pops up, you need to paste the image URL. You can leave the other fields blank. 

     

    How to copy an image URL: right-click on any image on the internet, and select "Copy image address" or "copy image URL"

     

    Hope it works. I'd love to see photos anyone wants to share! 

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited March 2012

    Shera

    Too funny about the vaginal cream.  I know what you mean about discussing things at the pharmacy counter.  Everyone can hear everything.  I've overheard conversations and I try not to listen but it's hard not to hear.

    Just got back from seeing the MO and bloodwork.  Luckily everything is good to go for TX#3 tomorrow.  One more after this YAY!! Have to then see the RO April 26 to discuss RADS.  Then its just Herceptin for a year and of course Tamoxifen for 2 then Aromisen for 3.  Will be having a heart scan every 3 months during H.  I don't know why I thought that Tamoxifen was just for Pre Menopausal patients.  Must have taken that up wrong.  LIke I said on the Feb Chemo Thread, I'm not going to sweat the SE's until they happen.

    Good luck to all having TX this week!!  Praying for minimal SE's!!

  • FightingforA
    FightingforA Member Posts: 62
    edited March 2012

    I'm so confused. I called my onc to ask why Herceptin doesn't seem to be a part of my treatment planning. I was initially told I am ER-/PR-, HER2+. Well, the nurse just informed me that because I'm only "1 +", I'm considered HER2-. She said that they only say you're positive if it's HER2+++. I'm so confused. So she said that I'm actually a "triple negative", which I don't understand. Does anyone have any insight into this?

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited March 2012

    nsmolen

    Hmmm interesting because I had a coversation with my MO today and asked him what my perentages were for all three.  He had mentioned when we first met that while I was PR+, it was basially neutral so he wasn't factoring into anything.  Mainly concentrating on the ER+ and HER+.  Today I asked him what my percentages were and his reply was that it didn't matter, I'm positive in these two areas as so I'm being treated after chemo with Herceptin and Tamoxifen.

  • Catherine22
    Catherine22 Member Posts: 36
    edited March 2012

    Hhhmm, this percentage thing just doesn't go away. It's not enough to be told it's a black & white issue, because obviously isn't. But I don't know how to get to a good answer. It is also a difficult one to google - how do you phase it?

    Shera, you make me laugh. There are so many ways you can get lost in that one! I am a visual artist/educator too. I told my friend the other day that it feels like I've been peeing out D-76 (anyone who has been in a photo darkroom know what I am talking about!). Then it just felt like my tongue had been bathed in developing chemicals. Blech.

    Since you are an art person, I think you should make your own script and prescribe something equally hilarious to the physician's assistant. Grins.

    I did start a new topic for March/April TC chemos if any of the newly starting chemo people are interested, well, anyone is invited of course! It will probably just be a new version of exactly what happened on this topic, but for everyone new it feels like it's the first time in the history of the world that someone has had to have chemo......

  • Catherine22
    Catherine22 Member Posts: 36
    edited March 2012
    Ooop, another brain hiccup. New topic for anyone interested: March/April Chemo T/C x 4:) Catherine 
  • kltb04
    kltb04 Member Posts: 1,051
    edited March 2012

    nsmolen - that is interesting - I know that my MO said at my first visit that I was HER2+ according to the initial pathology but that the other test (FISH?) would be done to make sure...but I just glanced at my path report again and it says HER2+: 3+ strong.  So I guess I am?  Yet I have yet to receive Herceptin either. 

    Let us know what you find out.  I know with me, it is just easier to wait til I can see the MO than try to ask questions through her nurse.

  • GeorgiaMom
    GeorgiaMom Member Posts: 66
    edited March 2012

    Just read pages of posts and can relate to something in each post -  I laughed and cried and thought more than once "Oh thank God I'm not the only one!"  What a sisterhood we have here!

    My crazy week is going amazingly well! My wrist is feeling so much better. So glad I had the surgery. I haven't needed anything stronger than Advil since the day of the surgery.

    Had my hair buzzed on Tuesday. What a weird experience. So glad I did it at the wig place. I actually busted out laughing when I first saw it. I only had my grey roots left and I looked exactly like my brother. Probably should have cried but I had seen my wig already and loved it. Laughing Went to school with the wig for the first time yesterday and got such a positive reaction. The other teachers knew so were very supportive but the students blew me away. They didn't know it was a wig and several little boys told me how pretty I looked! Made my whole week! My husband loves it too. He couldn't stop staring at me this morning.  I think we managed to embarass my 11 year old daughter!

    Finally, had treatment #2 yesterday and it went amazingly well. The best part is that I only have to take 1/2 of the Neulasta shot. My wonderful nurse friend is going to drop by today to give it to me. Expecting the SE's to kick in tomorrow but figure if I can avoid freak injuries than this round will have to be easier!

    Positive for the day - lasagna dinner arriving in a few minutes. No cooking again! Love that!

    Hang in there everyone!

    Jeanne

  • lanagraves
    lanagraves Member Posts: 596
    edited March 2012

    Good afternoon ladies! I've missed a couple of days on this thread, I think. I've been sooooo tired (guess I should have expected that, huh?). Sorry you're in seclusion, Karon. That's no fun. I'm on Day 8 after my first A/C. I'm afraid they may seclude me too after I have blood work next week. I went into this with a hemoglobin count of 8.1, so I was very anemic and had no clue. I don't know how this will affect my total counts but my MO was concerned about it and put me on an iron supplement (I won't even tell you about the SEs I'm having from that).

  • tellie_savalis
    tellie_savalis Member Posts: 121
    edited March 2012

    Nsmolen- make sure you see all your pathology reports, have them give you copies.  They have to give them to you, but if you Dr.s are like mine they won't do it unless you ask.  There are many BC websites that explain to you how to read them, look at those before you go in so you have some understanding of what you are looking at then have you MO go over everything with you and explain what it means and why you are getting the treatment you are.  If you feel uncomfortable with it I would get a second opinion.  Most medical organizations encourage you to get a second opnion if you want one.  With everything else you are going through, being scared that you are not getting the correct treatment should not be part of it.  I think feeling confident that you are doing everything you can to beat this crap is IMPORTANT.  If you can't find the websites for reading path reports PM me.

    Triplem- do you really live in a place called Fiddletown?  Too cool!  Where is it in Ca (I used to live in S.Ca)?  I am gplanning on going down for the Northern Ren. Faire in Sept. and I would love to see a place called Fiddletown!

    Well darn it, I feel good enough to do something, and now my daughter is sick, running a fever.  We were gonna do a girls Mall day today Frown. My DH won't let me help take care of her and it is driving me nuts! It's her spring break too so I feel bad for her.

    Okay a good thing- My 13 year old shoot-things-video-playing boy had to read Romeo and Juliet for school. Did not like it, said the characters were just dumb. Not a fan of Shakespeare.  I got him to sit with me and watch Much Ado About Nothing, one of my favorites, and he LIKED it.  We talked about the difference between comedies and tragedies, iambic pentameter, and the difference seeing it performed made.  I am not sure this would have happened had my butt not been stuck on the couch!

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