Alternative Treatment

Sadly I too had lost confidence in doctors and medical systems after my sister came close to death with an ectopic pregnancy that they denied, my husband was misdiagnosed when he was having a heart attack and again when his appendix had burst.  But I have also had some wonderful health care workers.  My medical oncologist is an angel.  So compassionate and understanding of my endless questioning and alternative research.  People are just people and they come in all varieties.

Applying heat or cold would be designed to kill the tumour so therefore if applied to the skin, would kill all tissues and leave a gaping wound.  But any tumour that didn't get the full treatment would continue to grow.  I'm sure someone in history has tried such barbaric methods to avoid cutting people open prior to anaesthetics but it didn't catch on.

I think the bottom line needs to be, how much and how long would you suffer if your (assumed) cancer spread, compared to the prospect of possibly clashing with health workers, getting scans and a biopsy to formally diagnose and decide on a course of action, pre-operative checks to ensure your heart, blood pressure etc are not going to cause complications, then getting the operation?  Then in about a month the surgery would be over. 

You aren't obliged to go ahead with any radiation or chemo although I'm not sure if that would stop the insurers from paying for the operation as we have a different system in Australia.  Then it would be over unless you are already stage IV.  Then you would have the doctors to deal with along with the pain, disability and fear to deal with for the rest of your life.

The hormonal treatments, whether medications or mushrooms, only last for so long if they work at all.  I guess you have to decide to be strong for just a month and get it over with, just grit your teeth and get that nasty thing off your chest.  You'll feel such relief not to be housing it in your body any longer.  And you might even meet up with a dear sweet health worker who sees your fear and holds your hand and cares about how you feel.  Sometimes such angels will slip notes to doctors to be extra kind.  After all, they do the job because they want to help people in your position.  Take a few deep breaths, tell yourself you'll only meet the best health workers and you might be amazed.

I'm sure it's estrogenetic as the cysts came right after first using the new strong birth controll pills in 1964.

I don't care about bedside manner, I care about expertise.

by the way they say chemotherapy but what is the chemical used?

the wound from freezing would probably heal as that from surgery

I'm sorry but with all due respect,  I think that quote is really misguided.  Medicine can't cure everything, neither can surgery.  Sometimes surgery is what a patient needs, sometimes it's medicine.  How would medicine set a complex, compound fracture, for instance?  

(Also, 1944 was a long time ago - surgery has become much more sophisticated since then.) 

the way they treat broken bones currently is lethal.  what they did brfore was good:  plaster casts.

by the way I have no health ins, always have thought it's asking for it.  also I live in a very rural place, pop about 300.  there is a hospital but the expertise of the doctors?

I do live in the us

bone breaks must be set.  I've known several people with hip breaks got the metal stuff, dead within 3 years.

gary's been talking about the very estrogenic cadmium in fertilizers used on non organic grains & vegetables.  I wonder if the cadmium I use in oil paints coulf have turned the cyst bad.  I used all my tim boxes for bob's audio tapes but I've sent for another for the cad tubes.  I've also gotten into my stash of organic nori roll seaweed.  gary says can cheleate the cad out.

I see that problems with some hip replacements and chromium from fertilizer are in the news at the moment.  No system is perfect but on the whole surgery saves lives all the time.  My brother and sister would both be dead from the ectopic pregnancy and appendicitis, which would also have killed my husband.  My mother would have lived with terrible pain from her problem for the last 20 years.  The person you're following may well be responsible for several deaths if people like yourself believe the *#$(@` he's spouting and refuse surgery.  He's taking things out of context for his own benefit.  You have a choice to check what he's saying and believe those who've got a lot more experience and knowledge than he has.

I'm off to bed now.

I make my own choices.

time magazine had an issue on cancer last year:  said that for breast cancer patience slash burn & poison, my terminology, "works" & what do they mean by that? only 37.5 percent of the time in patience over 60 years old.

Maud thanks so much for posting the article about surgically-induced recurrence and metastasis. Isn't it disappointing that surgery, radiation, chemo and hormonal therapy, which are pretty much all the treatments that modern medicine has to offer us, can cause cancer. I have lost faith in allopathic medicine. It's too counterproductive to trust.  

Kara, I am having my first full body thermography scan in a couple of weeks.  My mama didn't raise a fool. I'm using every means possible to detect cancer where there is the greatest chance for survival. The current screening strategy is not enough to protect women from breast cancer.  Thermography is the only technology available that can detect angiogenesis. Like in Europe, in N. America thermograms should be added to every woman's regular breast healthcare.  I have learned the hard way that I can no longer be passive but must become proactive with my health. The "wait and see' attitude due to a negative or unclear mammogram is no longer acceptable in my mind.  

Abigail, I truly hope you find an alternative physician who specializes in cancer who will help you shrink the tumor with natural therapies and balance your hormones.  And if you do opt to have surgery, do your research. There are preventive strategies to prevent cancer metastasis. You sound like a very wise conscious modern woman.  Trust your instincts and again find a reputable alternative doctor and do what you know is safe for your 75 year old body.  

Zuvart, you're welcome - scared the hell out of me though  -had never been warned about any of this by my docs  There must be some wisdom in the saying that ignorance is bliss....I can only predict that future decisions will be harder to make the more I become educated about this whole cancer business

I have a question for you guys.  Let's say a thermography detected suspicious areas, how would you present this to your onco?  I know my BS totally dismissed the test when I mentioned it to him and my onco....well, he is soooooo dismissive, I can't even imagine what he would say.  Maybe, I'll test the water and point blank ask him what he would do if I were to present him with a suspicious thermography.  I can almost hear him say on his pedestal 'What's that !!???" 

If thermography results are not accepted by mainstream med and an hypothetical tumour is too small to be detected by mammography, scans or MRIs, what then ? 

Kinda tired, so I hope I'm making sense Lol 

how old are you lies within?  I think too young to remember therapies in the past

JLW, I'm taken aback by your biting tone "show a lack of basic intelligence" ????

"If they accept modern medicine with all it's failings then those with early cancers that aren't too aggressive will probably live long productive lives. Some will have an extra 10 to 20 years of life before the cancer kills them, but a few will die quickly due to aggressive cancers or complications"

Now, that's quite a sweeping statement if I ever saw one !

ETA, weird.....JoyLiesWithin never said she was a nurse, a lot of her previous posts mentioned that she would have liked to have been given the opportunity to have an education.....the tone.....so unlike Joy.....  

jlw:  some of that color stuff is toxic.  I've not cut my hair since 1967 or colored it since henna rinces in hithschool.  I wear a cap to try & hold some color, which I still have a bit of.  little bit.  & yes, pennicillin is good stuff, it's what, alas, kept me in the allopathic mode for many years when it cured a strep in college.  despite many horror storries before & after. 

they havn't always had titanium bones, & people didn't spend the rest of their lives in bed after a hip break.  casts were from the waist.  pretty weak when you came out of them but the fix lasted unlike the titanium which mostly lasts only 10 years or so if it doesn't kill you.

oh dear, kaara.  my true love was a biker, dead now almost 5 years & not from the bike.  He didn't ride the last several years & my stress level went down a lot, but I wonder now if it would have been better had he rode.  these warrior men:  their riding keeps them on an even keel perhaps

Yes Maud, my mood certainly takes a dive when I think people are likely to needlessly die when a little thoughtfulness could help sway them.  There have been too many deaths on these boards lately and it's been getting to me so please excuse me if I'm just human. 

There's no shame in not being in the higher range of intelligence.  I have a niece who has a learning disability and she's the most lovable girl.  Well, a young woman now. People who don't have logical abilities often have talents in other areas and there's no better or worse way to be in my eyes. The problem comes up when people don't realise their limitations and make life or death decisions based on their limited logic or knowledge.  My upset is that there may be limited time to take action and I feel powerless to help.

As far as my education goes, nurses training happened in the hospital back then and didn't have the same standing as a university education.  I dropped out before qualifying due to the stress and my difficulty with practical tasks. I hated the authoritarian attitude on the wards but I loved the patients.  I'm such a clutz and got muddled with things even though I topped all the theoretical exams. If my life depended on my ability to cook then I'd be waving goodbye. I know my limitations. My sister is a lot younger than me and is lucky to have trained in a university so she has a degree.

So Maud, what's your interesting life story?