Estring = what to do?
I do not have breast cancer, but my 2 cousins do, as well as an aunt. My grandmother died of this disease. I am post-menopausal due to surgery and am using the Estring. Prior to using this I was having severe yeast infections and moderate to severe vaginal dryness. My PA at my gynocologist is fine with me using this as she says the Estring does not give out high dosages of estrogen and it does not involve the bloodstream to the extent that it would raise my estrogen levels. I just started going to a new family practice doctor who is right out of med school and an extremely thorough doctor. She is wanting me to remove the Estring as she says with my family history she would have nothing resembling estrogen anywhere near me. I am confused - do I give up the benefits of the Estring which has made my quality of life better or remove it?
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Only you can decide the answer to this serious question. QOL issues are very important.Estring can raise the blood estrogen values some. In the one study I read on vaginal estrogen use, a curious finding occurred. While almost all patient's blood estrogen values went up from vaginal estrogen use initially, over the next weeks some participants values stayed up (not good), while others dropped lower again (more ?manageable). In other words, there was no clear pattern while on the vaginal estrogen. But medical providers should at least tell it like it is: all vaginal estrogen, especially women with thinned vaginal tissue whose blood vessels are therefore close to the surface, give a rise in blood estrogen.Your situation, not having bc, is different from one who does have bc. Very personal decision. One might say, well, what are your genetic testing results? BRCA1 and 2 genes presence is associated with an increase risk of bc, and can be tested at a genetic center with informed consent. Given your family history, it appears you may qualify (high family incidence bc) for the studies.Yet, just of late, it seems a high breast cancer family history and negative BRCA genes doesn't dismiss a high lifetime risk of bc over those individuals without family history. Recent writings last week or so emphasized the risk for for high risk family members persist: some feel more genes will be revealed down the road.Should you be BRCA positive, counseling about your risk of bc would then follow, as well as ovarian cancer. An involved discussion of estrogen use when BRCA + would also seem wise.Here I've given you more questions than answers, but all with the intent of assisting.Keep searching your heart and mind, and good luck to you,Tender
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Well this is timely, I just put an E-string in on Saturday. I'm triple neg/node pos (3 years out though - woo hoo!) and BRCA+. I realize that on the one hand it's crazy to "play with fire" in this manner (I found out about the BRCA status almost 2 years after finishing treatment, so I had a lump w/rads instead of a mast.) On the other hand, after the implosion of a really crappy (in hindsight) relationship a year and a half ago, I am now in a new relationship with a truly wonderful man. And well, without going into detail, I need some assistance in that department, because if not, it's downright painful. Sooo..... for now I've decided to do the 3 months of E-string, and then see what happens. I guess I'm hoping there is some sort of residual effect, or that the "use it or lose it" advice is true, and "using it" will somehow improve the situation without the help of the E-string. I'm also in the process of investigating the BPM (had my ooph this summer), which woudl negate the E-string issue (and open a whole other host of issues instead! LOL)
I think Tender said it best, you have to ultimately do what you're comfortable with. I will tell you that my onc was not really hot on the idea of the E-string (and that was BEFORE the BRCA info) and my gyn refused to prescribe it for me without a referral from my onc. For me, I think I'm giving myself these 3 months, and then I'll probably not insert another one and see what happens.
Good luck to you. Just make sure YOU'RE comfortable with whatever you decide.
PS. Tender, I really don't know what we would do without you on these boards!
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Check Dr. Susan Love's breast book. I thought she had said no to the Estring but yes to the cream in small amounts. The estring is a constant but the cream you can use a little bit just a few times a week and then reduce it. I know that with BC my onc gave me the cream to use if I needed it while I was on Tamoxifen. They do not recommend it if you are on an aromitase inhibitors though. Have you been tested for BRCA genes? Do you know if your relatives were all ER positive cancers? For quality of life I would talk to her about the cream....both my onc and primary had no problem with me using it as long as I was on Tamoxifen for ER+ BC. I didn't have the dryness on Tam....I had it on the aromitase inhibitors when I couldn't use it...go figure...story of my life
Good luck.....Jo
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Well, from a personal experience with the estrace vaginal cream (estrogen). After chemopause hit, I was so dry, tender and bled from interactions with dh, we tried the astroglide and replens. Astroglide made it worse, replens helped, but very little.
GYN with onco's okay said to try estrace. It worked great after about 4-5 weeks, BUT! IT lessened and reduced the severity of my hot flashes too. I knew it was getting systemic, so I tried to wean off it and within a 10days/2 weeks, the hot flashes were back with a vengeance!
Saw new onco and was NOT happy with me being on it. HE said IF anything, he'd rather see the estring, b/c it is lesser doses all the time, rather than the amounts of estrace which were larger, even though I was only using 1/2 mg/3 X/week.
If you go to the thread on 'I want my Mojo back!', you'll find many, many suggestion from the ladies on other ideas in dealing with these issues. http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/7/topic/69566?page=72#idx_2133
Oh, meant to add, I did get a estrodial level checked while on it ONE time a week and it was still <10 which is post-meno. BUT, I know other symptoms of post meno were gone while on it and returned when I went off it.
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Tender gave some really good medical input. I do have a question about the study mentioned though, regarding how long the women were followed. Perhaps eventually everyone's absorption level would be very low, but if the study only lasted for 12 weeks or so, maybe higher absorption by those with thinner vaginal tissue continued during that period, but would have tapered to a lower level over time.
Wishful thinking, perhaps. I use Vagifem, which releases an amount of estrogen equivalent to E-String into the vagina in tablet form. It's used twice per week (after an initial two-week push period). I began using Vagifem shortly before I was diagnosed with stage 1 ER+ breast cancer (I was post-menopausal and had stopped taking HRT, but was experiencing terrible vaginal pain during intercourse, atrophy, and UTIs).
When I was diagnosed, I took Tamoxifen and my oncologist said no problem continuing the Vagifem. I was diagnosed three years later with DCIS in my other breast (so extensive it had almost certainly already been there at the time of my original diagnosis). After that diagnosis, I had a bilateral mastectomy. My oncologist still had no problem with my continuing the Vagifem. My atrophy was so bad and the UTIs were affecting my health beyond intercourse, so I've continued using the Vagifem.
To be honest, before writing this post, it never occurred to me that the Vagifem might have contributed to the growth of the DCIS. I guess the jury is still out on this. If I were you, HomeInIdaho, I would at the least ask to have my blood estrogen levels measured. This will give you an indication of whether in your case the absorption is very low.
Barbara
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Really confused and would love to hear from others about their experience. Am a two-time breast cancer survivor. Now 54 years old. Current taking an AI. Had mastectomy and ovaries removed after second BC (almost 4 years ago). Surgical menopause not too bad, but vaginal atrophy awful. My onco and gyn both fine with me using estring plus tiny dots of Premarin cream. They say levels of estrogen simply too small to matter. Seems so counterintuitive to me after fighting for 12 years to reduce estrogen in my body (both BCs were ER+) but atrophy getting unbearable. For every doc who says estring is ok there seems to be another who disagrees. HELP!!! Are there others out there who can guide me?
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I have used Estring for almost 2 years. My gyn, who has a special interest in gyn onc, put me on Estring. It has made the world of difference for me and I would be hard pressed to give it up! My surgical oncologist was concerned at first but after a discussion with my gyn said that she now has a better understanding of Estring. Estring emits the lowest amount of estrogen when compared to other options. Replens and similar products only put a coating of lubrication on surface tissue and do nothing to treat the problem. Along with yearly check-ups I feel comfortable using Estring.
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I am at a crossroads. I was dx with bc in Oct. and had a double mastectomy (I did not know it did not really make a difference in reoccurance then) in Nov. My ca was er+pr+and her2-. No lymph nodes and 1.1. cm. I am 64 yo-and before bc occassionaly I used Premarin cream to help with dryness. Funny, I wonder now if that contributed to bc. Anyway, I am so dry and tried to use creme de la femme-and got so irritated in labia minora, that I now am waiting for it to heal. My onc gave me option of Arimidex, but at this age and also having Hep C and did have thyroid ca 6 yrs ago...and now having to take thyroid pills forever, my bone density is almost osteoporosis...the thought of the sx of aromatase inhibitors is just not for me. QOL is really important. I spent many months fighting the hep c only for tx to fail and it was awful about 7 yrs ago. So, my onc said estring was ok--but I am skeptical. A client of my hubby, a gyn, said no way. What do I do?
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My surgical oncologist who also follows high risk breast cancer patients was leary of my using Esstring that my gyn prescribed. both doctors talked out the issue. Surgical oncologist said that she now has a better understanding of Estring & agrees that it is safe for me to take. Compared to other estrogen Rx Estring puts out the lowest amount of estrogen. Estring has made a huge difference for me and I would find it difficult to give it up.
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I am dealing with this same dilemma right now. My mother and her sister both had breast cancer. Neither died from it, it was caught early and treated. I am 56 and dealing with a lot of PM issues due to not having an estrogen. Can you share with me what you did and how it affected you. Thank you so much
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I just found this site today. I am a 56 year old - with a family hx of breast cancer. My aunt (my mom's sister) and my mother. Both were caught early and treated. I had my uterus removed in 2006 and ovaries slowly dwindled out in the last 2-3 years. I first noticed my hormonal, or lack of, symptoms when I was having intercourse. It is so darn painful I just can't bear it. Went to a new OB/GYN who suggested the Estring. I then made an appt with my ARNP a few months later and she was appalled that it was even suggested that I take anything with Estrogen. I am not going to go into all the details as I am sure all of you know and have experienced the same but I need to input from all of you as to what you know and what you experienced etc. I have put the Estring in.....then I get scared and take it out. I'm going in for a mammogram in June and will continue down this path. Please know I value all of your expertise and advise. I look forward to hearing from all of you! Teri
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I am having the same issue ...did you continue to use the Estring? How are you doing now?
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Regarding safety of Estring and other topical estrogens, a study published in Aug 2017 concluded:
"The risks of cardiovascular disease and cancer were not elevated among postmenopausal women using vaginal estrogens, providing reassurance about the safety of treatment."
That conclusion is taken from the study,
Breast cancer, endometrial cancer, and cardiovascular events in participants who used vaginal estrogen in the Women's Health Initiative Observational Study,
linked here
https://journals.lww.com/menopausejournal/Citation...,_endometrial_cancer,_and.5.aspx
These results were also published on this site, shown below, among others.
http://www.breastcancer.org/research-news/vaginal-...
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/884741
Johns Hopkins now routinely prescribes Estrace (another topical estrogen that actually has a slightly higher absorption rate than Estring) to its breast cancer patients.
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I use estace cream and it is the reason I am still married. I also use coconut oil regularly and during intimacy and highly recomend it.
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Hello, I'm new here. I have stage 4 BC which is stable right now and has been for about a year by using letrozole alone. However, needless to say my privates are extremely dry. I called the Onc.'s office and he prescribed the Estring. BUT, I was so dry, I couldn't get it in easily and scratched myself and have tears in the labia which hurt like mad. The Estring never felt right and seemed like it had slipped and so I tried to remove it but couldn't. Ended up going to E R to have it removed. Now, I first need to heal these tears and then decide if I want to have a nurse or doctor put it in or just forget it. So, any answers on what will heal the labia besides keeping it dry as they told me at ER and going "commando" as much as possible. AND, for those of you using it, how much does it it help? What would you do? Obviously estrogen cream is a no no. I wonder though if I could use it on a temporary basis. I talked to Onc's office nurse late Friday to see what to do but she has to talk to Onc. Thanks for any ideas or help you might have.
P.S. my copay on this thing cost $209.00 so you can see I hate to throw it away if it could help.
Faith (in the future).
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Bump, hoping someone will see this.
Faith (in the future).
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