Still Uncomfortable with Implants
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thank's again Kate great advice
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Today I went to a bra store that serves women who have had mastectomies. Wow, what a choice of bras, camis, pad inserts, longer bras so they don't bind under the breasts, etc. Because I am still so sore and swollen she was reluctant to sell me something. She said when the swelling goes down to come back.
I learned that my insurance company Blue Cross of Calif allows me to purchase two bras per year and will cover up to $45 for each bra. The store clerk called my BS to get a prescription for the bras, which my doctor faxed over. If the bra is more than $45 I have to pay the additional amount.
Kate I did not go to Nordstoms but will check them out. The clerk today said my best bet right now was to go to Target or Ross and find some cheap comfortable camis to wear until I can really be fitted in a bra. She said the "girls" looked good and the surgeon did a great job! Hee hee, I haven't worn anything revealing yet so I am sure friends and family are curious to know what is under all my sweaters and vests!
Stanzie, when I talk about the upper pole, I do mean the cleavage area. Kate, I've never heard of using ultra sound to break down the scar tissue, but will definitely ask my PT about that. I think just determining my pain is outside has given me a lot more patience these past few days. Boy, I had all kinds of terrible scenarios going on in my head! -
I haven't heard about ultra sound and breaking up scar tissue either... Wonder if it would work for the really hard thick scar tissue that has formed around my long back scars. Of course my PS blamed me for this saying it was because I didn't have anyone who could massage lotion into the scars as they were healing. I tried and did what I could - still wondering how much difference that might have made.... They are so thick and long.....
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Stanzie- No offense but your PS is an a$$. Who says that to a patient? I'm sorry you didn't have a more empathetic surgeon.
I think the scar tissue my PT was referring to was the kind that forms under the skin. I had some form that actually tugs on the implant when I move my arm. Not really sure if US would have helped with it or not since I discontinued it right away. Here's what it says abotu US on livestrong.com-
http://www.livestrong.com/article/172706-benefits-of-the-use-of-ultrasound-in-physical-therapy/
I think scars can be just as hard to deal with as any of the other recon issues. I did find this regarding scar treatment-
http://www.livestrong.com/article/256954-how-to-remove-deep-scars/
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Kate so sorry your husband experienced that. It must have been so frightening for him. But your protector even as scared as he was!!
Good luck with the rehab. I hope they can pinpoint the issue and get going on getting it resolved.
I am using kelo coat I think it is on my abdominal scar and it is helping to decrease the redness and it also is suppose to help with the scar thickness I think. You can get it online.
Hope the services are a time of comfort and peace for that young man's family and friends. It will be so difficult. But I hope that the love and support that is there will help.
Have a good week everyone
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I had my evaluation at the breast cancer rehab place yesterday and definitely have some LE in one arm. So she's ordering compression sleeves and will start LE therapy twice a week for at least a month and then evaluate at that point. Needless to say, am upset as I do believe this was completely preventable. I also have quite a bit of scar tissue that has built up. No surprise after 5 surgeries. Just wish they would order PT and LE education (for us and our doctors) automatically after MX and recon.
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Kouragio, I am "only" stage 3, and I chose not to do recon, for the time being anyway. It is not because I am resigned to dying. But, I do NOT enjoy docs, hospitals or surgery, so the less the better, the way I see it.
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Kate...sorry that they confirmed your suspicions, but glad that maybe you can get some relief now. I don't know where I would be without my physical therapists. They have been there for me off and on for years for a variety of aches and pains. They, along with my acupuncturist have been an integral part of my recovery team. Feel better soon.
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Kate - so, so sorry to hear about the LE. I hope she is able to get it under control and managed! My friend at rads had LE and was getting treatment; they fixed her up rather quickly, and it looked much better. Fingers crossed for you!!!!
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i had my second fill this morning she put in 100cc
the first time 160cc i am feeling pretty good she is going too 550cc is that normal
Hugs to everybody
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i had my second fill this morning she put in 100cc
the first time 160cc i am feeling pretty good she is going too 550cc is that normal
Hugs to everybody
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kate Sorry to hear of the LE, but good to know that it will know be taken care of. I agree about PT and LE education for all BC patients - it should be available to everybody, automatically.
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Erika8
Did you have a uniMX or biMX? I had a uniMx so my PS is only trying to match the remaining natural breast. So therefore I would imagine that it depends on the size you are trying to achieve.
I had my 2nd fill this morning. My initial fill at time of MX was 120 ccs and 1st & 2nd fill were 70 ccs each,so there is 260 ccs total. He told me we will do the 70 ccs every two weeks until we reach about 500-550 ccs. So I am half way there. My fills have been pretty non-eventful, no pain , just a small bit of discomfort when getting to the end, but never painful. He said he wants to just keep doing it as we have been and says everything looks good. I am satisfied with how things are going so far.
Hope things keep going well for you.
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Oh Kate, I'm so sorry it is all true about the LE and scar tissue, hope the PT and LE people really help! You are right there should be so much more education on both sides.
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Oh Kate- what a crock. I am sorry.....so friggin sorry you have to go through this crap....big soft hug from texas
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Janiceg415
i had a uniMX when i am done with the fiil i will get my other Breast reduced to match
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Thanks everyone. Have to admit I've been cycling between mad and sad all day. I really like my LE therapist, though. She seems very knowledgeable and is very kind. Guess I better go wander over to the LE threads now.
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Kate- my LE therapy has really helped along with the sleeves. Good luck!
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Good luck Kate- hopefully knowing now what you are dealing with (and getting the LE therapy) will make things so much better!
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Kate, I sent you a PM.
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Hello, have not been on for awhile. Stretch slowly to get back range of motion. I too was unhappy with my implants; after several trips to PS, just had a second surgery 2 weeks ago and much happier! PS was able to lift and seperate my implants (they had moved together, starting to form a uniboob). I am now back to finding bras that will lift and seperate better so I do not have to go through this again. I had my first implant surgery May of last year (2011). Do not give up! If you saw my photos last year and the comments they were low as PS could not move them up as not enough skin and close together. I did buy Freya sports bra that should work, now for bras that I can wear to work.
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Hi Stanzie, I have not been on in about a week. I too have severe scar issues under my augmented side (good breast lifted). I don't heal well, had revision there once, and scar came back. I went to PS last week, he gave me antibiotic b/c one of my bras really rubbed there. Anway I went to mastectomy store and am now wearing an AMOENA CAMISOLE that is more comfy that any bra I have worn. The damn scar seems to get in the way of everything. PS also said he will not do any more work on me for awhile. Very disappointed. I also purchased last night a silicone sheet (a little costly) since he did not give me any this time, and will try again to help it along. I heard messaging should help. It was so bad that I considered going to a wound/burn specialist if the pain did not clear up. I sincerely sympathize with you. Yesterday I had to go to the cancer center to see my hemo/onc and I asked him if my low red count was the cause of my non healing. He could not answer me. The healing poorly is just me and I am not a happy camper most days. I once again as I did from the beginning purchased some thick gauze pads to put over the scar area so nothing rubs against it.
Kate, I am sorry to hear that you do have LE. My thoughts are with you.
Hugs to all,
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I was really happy to find this thread, because I have been so unhappy with my implants, and I'm not sure what to do. I had a BMX last September with immediate reconstruction. The TEs were filled to 500 ccs, and the PS said before the swap in January that the implants would probably be slightly larger than the TEs. When I came out of surgery, I found out he used 800 cc implants, and I was furious, because I told him from the beginning that I wanted to go smaller (B cup) rather than larger. He said he had to go larger, because of all the skin, however, if he knew I wanted to be smaller from the beginning, shouldn't he have taken more skin off during the BMX? I don't feel like he really listenedd to me, and now he's rather dismissive, saying that everything looks wonderful. However, I'm uncomfortable all the time, as the implants feel heavy and "in the way" all day long, then they just burn and tingle by nighttime. I can't wear anything that's remotely snug, because it feels like the material is scraping my skin by the end of the day. So do I try to get through to my current PS or just give up and see someone else? Any thoughts on where I should go from here?
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Joanna- Wow! Where do I start? First, let me give you a (((hug))) because your PS is a a$$. He should have discussed what size implants he would be using prior to surgery. And I'm not sure an 800 cc implant would ever (Ever, EVER) equate to a B cup. The fact that he only expanded you to 500, and then put in 800, would account for a lot of your discomfort, too. And if you wanted to go smaller he should have discussed techniques to make that happen. Women have reductions all the time so it can be done. I would definitely seek out someone new and have a consult to see what can be done. Your PS has already discounted your concerns so not sure he'd have your best interests when trying to rectify the problems. He'd have to admit he had done something wrong and doesn't sound like that's likely to happen.
Someone recommended that women get something in writing from their PS stating the size and type of implant they're agreeing to. I think they should also be required to have that size available for us to see and hold. I think if women realized how large and heavy these implants are they would not ever sign on the dotted line for something that big. We are not augmentation patients. We are not trying to be bigger just better.
Isn't the whole point, too, of the TE's to expand us to the size we want to end up? I know I got to a point where I told my PS that was the size I wanted to be. Yet, she still made me bigger than that. I told her I wanted to end up a small C and ended up a D instead. How is this right?
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All: You may want to read this: Breast Implant Sizing 101
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/44/topic/746448?page=185#idx_5530
The writer notes that plastic surgeons (PS) cannot accurately predict cup sizes.
Joanna: My PS and I also miscommunicated when swapping my tissue expanders (TEs) for silicone implants. I had been flat-chested. I had the PS overfill the TEs so I could see what I looked like w/ larger breasts. After we swapped for silicone implants, there wasn't a large difference between what I got and what I wanted, but it was significant enough. I figure if you're going to undergo surgery and get reconstruction, then you should try for your desired results. Circumstances kept me from having the PS immediately re-operate. If I had to do it again, I'd have surgery right away.
As per whether to stay w/ the same PS or switch, that depends on whether you feel you will receive quality of care/sensitivity/understanding/good results if you stay with your present PS.
Best wishes.
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Thanks for the input -- and the hugs! My PS did tell me that he could not "guarantee" that I would be a certain cup size, as he would have to work with what I had. He said if he had gone smaller, I would've had a lot more wrinkling, so he went larger. I just wish he had discussed this with me ahead of time. Looking back on it, I don't really feel that he discussed much of anything with me. I always felt rushed during my appointments, and whenever I brought up how I wanted to look afterwards, he would always be somewhat evasive, saying "You'll be happy with the results. But I can't guarantee what size you'll be." I should've been more assertive, I guess, but honestly, I was more terrified about the cancer than worrying about what would happen during reconstruction. I remember he did show me the different sizes of implants, including a 750 cc one, and I laughed and said, "Absolutely no way am I going that large." Obviously, he wasn't listening. Since it's only been two months since my implant swap, should I give it more time? Will it get more comfortable? Or can I downsize?
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I went from a large A/small B cup to a small D cup. My desired result was large B. But if you look at me, you'd probably think I was a small C. My (silicone) breasts are not that big.
I'm reading more and learning more about implants/reconstruction. I didn't realize how much of a guessing game it is, in a sense. Before my bilateral mastectomy, the plastic surgeon (PS) could only guess what my chest/ribcage would look like sans breasts. The hills and valleys of my chest affect where and how implants could be placed. They couldn't be too far apart or too close together. My PS considered all of this before and during surgery. It's too bad she couldn't wake me up from anesthesia (during surgery) to discuss options w/ me then and there. I believe she did her best to make me look good and try to follow my directions.
In some ways, it's similar to me taking a photo of a hairstyle to my stylist and saying, "Make me look like that." Even if the hair model has straight black hair and mine is curly and red. My stylist does the best she can to give me a look similar to the photo, but she also explains her (and my) limitations.
Now I am more knowledgeable about breast reconstruction and know some questions to ask next time, since I need further revision, due to capsular contracture in my right/irradiated breast.
Note: When I went from a B to a D cup, I suddenly did notice/feel my breasts when I moved my arms and crossed them over my chest. When I was flat-chested I never noticed they were there. It's been four years since the reconstruction/swap out of tissue expanders for implants, and I still notice the size of my breasts. My plan is to "downsize" or go completely flat-chested/without.
Best to you all.
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Hi Joanna: My first implant was weight too heavy for me. Constantly dragging it along with me used to call it my football. That was in Oct. 09, in Aug. 11 he did reduce the implant. Still uncomfortable but much better than what it was. He will do the revision, just ask him, you have to let him know that it is too heavy. I am having other issues, but all in all, the brick feeling is gone. He also lifted the other good side as well.
Hugs,
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Joanna- I think they usually make you wait at least 6 months before doing a revison but you could ask. If you're healthy I'm not sure why it would be necessary to wait that long. My revision wasn't very dramatic- 375 down to 225 but that even felt so much lighter.
What I don't get is why PS's can't show us a computer generated image of how we would look with different size implants? If a woman comes in and is completely flat chested he/she can give them some idea of what size to go with to achieve the cup size she wants. Aren't we all basically flat chested women when we start? Why isn't this a more exact science then? I think there needs to be a better way for the PS's to communicate with us. We may say we don't want to be very big and end up a D cup. What the heck is their idea of big then? FF? I remember my PS had different size bras in her exam room that you could try on but I had a fairly full TE at that point so it was really hard to tell.
Maybe because the implants feel so much more firmer and heavier than they also feel much bigger. Not sure, unless you're walking around with these things shoved in your chest, that people understand how they feel.
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Kate/All: I agree. Why can't PS's show us a computer generated image? That would take the guessing game away. Anyone heard anything about this? Is it happening somewhere in the world?
After my reconstruction surgery and swap for silicone implants, when I first shopped for a push-up bra (as opposed to the compression bra I'd worn immediately after), I was shocked and horrified to find I'd gone from a B cup to a D cup. I almost started to cry in the department store dressing room.
After all that we go through -- the shock of a cancer diagnosis, further tests and biopsies, asking for time off work, telling family/friends, scheduling surgeries and appts, undergoing surgery, and possibly having chemo and radiation, let alone -- for some like myself -- being pushed into early menopause -- we deserve to look how we'd like to look after all is said and done!
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