January 2012 chemo

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  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited March 2012

    So I'm sitting at work and need to head out to my centre in just over an hour for the first Taxol/Herceptin. Just made a huge mistake and scared myself silly by accessing MIMS online (which I can do because I work in the medical field - it's the official pharmaceutical manual for all drugs). Reading all the potential infusion SEs and SEs between treatments has send my tummy funny Undecided  That was such a stupid thing to do...

    Oh well, must get back to trying to do some work!

    Jenn

  • Kitchenella
    Kitchenella Member Posts: 279
    edited March 2012

    Nancy I'm retired so it is not so hard.  And we just found out that our Kupat Cholim (medical group) will pay somewhere between 30 and 50% of cab and bus fares to treatments.  I didn't need a cab often when on the every 2 week AC regimin but knowing I can get cheaper cab fare will be nice from now on.  Especially when I starte rads. next year.  The venue for them is not easy for me to get to on bus so I hope to be cabbing it more often.

    Peggy 

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012

    Oh Jenn, I've been thinking about you this morning.  You sound alot like me - if there's info out there I want to know it, but then I scare the crap out of myself and regret it later!  :-)  So step away from MIMS for a little while!  I hope your treatment went well.  I think about all of you doing both Taxol and Herceptin.

    I slept most of the day away yesterday because of the Benadryl, and then couldn't get to sleep until after 2:00 am because of the steroids.  Tired this morning but feeling okay - not jumpy from steroids, and since I don't have to take any more I won't have that "crash" on Monday or Tuesday.  Kinda looking forward to the next few days to see how it all shakes out.

    *hugs* to you all.

  • denjak
    denjak Member Posts: 36
    edited March 2012

    JaneTanned:

    I can only go by what others said about my Taxol reaction. My Onc said she had never seen it so bad. ( 30 + years experience) But I was OK during infusion. My bone and muscle pain started Saturday AM from a Wednesday Infusion. I could not walk and by then, my post infusion instructions had me stop all Dec etc. I was loading up on Tylenol but nothing helped. Woke up on Monday/Tuesday night 2am crying so much  joint pain. Really, last time I had this kind of pain, I took home a baby from the hospital. I didnt know how I was going to make it into my doctor's office building the next day. I made it, holding onto walls wearing padded slip ons.Right now, I have regained some finger and toe feeling. Working through it all.My onc said, we are not doing another Taxol on you. She never gave me an option for your Dex+ you described...My next infusion is Wednesday with Abraxane.

    Thanks everyone for checking in....I really appreciate the stories.

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited March 2012

    First Taxol and Herceptin done! 11 more to go...



    Arrived at 2.30pm and finally left at 6.30pm. We were the last there!



    My port is definitely fixed after it not working for my last FEC and having to have it "draino'd". The Taxol run was ok but I did get a really strong abdominal cramp about 1/2 way through so they got me a heat pack and stopped the infusion for 10mins. Apart from that no other effects during the Taxol :-). Before they ran the T and H they gave me oral Kytril and an antihistamine ranitadine (Zantac). Then iv dex and iv ranitadine.



    During the Herceptin I got quite nauseous so they ran some iv maxalon, but I still felt blah all the way home. Came home, ate FOUR pieces of pizza and feel asleep before 8.30pm.



    It's 2am and I'm awake - but no ther SEs as yet - not looking forward to the bone pain hitting - and my MO really underplayed them and I've got no pain relief in preparation from her.



    Thanks for being with me in thought!!!!



    Jenn

  • DianeNMil
    DianeNMil Member Posts: 130
    edited March 2012

    I had my second allergic reaction 2 hercEptin yesterday. Stop infusion, load me up with Benadryl and fluids and continue. Nurse said it is very unusual to react to hercEptin. Leave it to me.



    By the way ladies, I never had bone pain or nail issues with 5x taxol. Never even knew about icing

  • Kelloggs
    Kelloggs Member Posts: 965
    edited March 2012

    DianeNMil - did you have Herceptin with your taxol?  What kind of reaction did you have?  I am having my last TCH Thursday and will then be Herceptin alone.  Just wondering what you experienced.

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited March 2012

    Sorry to hear that Diane, what sort of reaction did you get? I thought you just had issues with the Taxol...



    Have they said how this can be handled and if you can keep getting it going forward?



    HUGS! Jenn

  • BelaT
    BelaT Member Posts: 217
    edited March 2012

    so contipated, dont know 2 miralex 4 ducolex nothig feel so sick 

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012

    Oh Bela, I'm so sorry.  I had such horrible constipation during my first AC.  I suggest calling your MO's office - you might need a little more "help."  They told me not to wait any longer than two days.

    Keep drinking lots of water...eat some fiber (Raisin bran is great), try some dried fruit (prunes or apricots are good).  Try drinking something warm - like tea - that can often stimulate the urge to go.

    Good luck *hugs*

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012

    Jenn - so glad to hear you're done with the first treatment!  Sorry about the stomach cramp - that sounds awful!  You said 11 more to go - do you do Taxol/Herceptin every week for 12 weeks then?  Or is the Herceptin on a different schedule? 

    I appreciate every one of you, and think of you all every day. I'm sorry we're all going through this, but I can't imagine a better group of women to be supported by during these tough days.  Peace and love to you all!

  • BelaT
    BelaT Member Posts: 217
    edited March 2012

    Thanks Nancy, I took metamucil day of and raisin bran too two dulcolec and 2 miralex and 2 dulcolex today

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited March 2012

    BelaT: warm prune juice.....



    Nancy: I'm doing Taxol and Herceptin weekly for the 12 weeks then Herceptin moves to once every three weeks.



    Herceptin yesterday was the "loading dose" but for the next 11 weeks it is the same dose that I will get three weekly, divided in three.



    Jenn

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012
    Bela:  I found a good dose of Metamucil, followed by three Dulcolax, every night before bed made a difference for the first three or four days.  And water - goodness, I thought I was going to float away some days!  I also drank Yogi Tea: Berry Detox every night before bed.  Others on these boards swear by Smooth Moves, another organic tea.  My first AC treatment I went four days without a bowel movement - my MO was not happy with me.  Don't wait too long to call them.
  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012

    Jenn - I have so much respect for all that you're going through. I hope it goes smoothly and with few SEs.  It's amazing what we can endure, and how gracefully we can do it.  

    Day 2 after first Taxol and I felt great this morning - everything was beautiful and I was full of energy...until about two hours ago and I completely crashed.  I have sores in my mouth already, my thumbs and first fingers feel like they've been slammed in a car door, and every one of my muscles aches.  I'm hoping I just overdid it today and need to sleep so I'm going to bed early.  I keep hearing Taxol will be easier than AC, but I don't remember feeling this bad with AC.  :-(  Lucky me - I'll be backwards!

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited March 2012

    Nancy - are you taking hte vit B, glutamine to try and prevent the neuropathy????? You can read all about it on the Taxol thread here.



    My eyes are sore, nose is running and I have flushed cheeks this morning. Apart from that I feel good!



    Jenn

  • grateful33
    grateful33 Member Posts: 58
    edited March 2012

    Nancy - evening of day 3 dd Taxol and the bone pain is officially starting esp legs and pelvis. Also mouth sores. I hope it doesn't last very long. Still have residual hand/foot from AC....

    Jenn- I am also taking vit B50 twice daily and glutamine 10g three times daily. Is that the same dose as you are on?

    Getting tired of all this today. Mentally feel worn down. Had moments today when I wondered how I could get through this and the next 3 Taxol

    Sorry for the vent ladies, but really feeling low.

    Hugs to all

  • miniwheat
    miniwheat Member Posts: 52
    edited March 2012

    ((hugs to all of you))

    Man it sucks to be us right now!!!!

    I keep thinking, once this is behind me, I will not complain about anything ever! lol

     OH!  btw I spoke with the onco nurse today and I do NOT have hepatitis!  Just your good old fashioned elevated liver enzymes caused by the chemo.  Ain't it grand?

    Hang in there my friends, you are all in my prayers and thoughts.

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited March 2012

    Yay, so glad it's not hepatitis :-). Yep - sucks to be us...



    Jenn

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012

    miniwheat - glad to hear no hepatitis!  And I second Jenn - totally sucks to be us!

    Jenn - I'm going to ask about the Vit B supplement.  Because of the clinical trial I'm in they're all over me about any kind of supplements (even had to talk with them about my herbal teas).  Sheesh.

    Woke this morning to feeling like death.  Every muscle and bone aches to the point where moving is excruciating.  Sore throat like strep, but no white spots.  And I'm sub-normal on my temp.  I'm calling my MO's office this morning to see if this is "normal" or if there's something else going on.  So much for Taxol being like a "vacation in Aruba" compared to AC.  Someone hit me with a bus yesterday and forgot to tell me about it.  I don't know if this is because I'm doing dose-dense, or just because my body doesn't like this.  Oh, and I'm off to a day of school in about half an hour - that should be interesting.

    I hope for happy and SE-free days for everyone!

  • miniwheat
    miniwheat Member Posts: 52
    edited March 2012

    Sorry you're going through this Nancy, it sounds terrible. ((hugs))

    Do they not give you anything for pain?

  • DianeNMil
    DianeNMil Member Posts: 130
    edited March 2012

    Kelly - I get abraxane and herceptin now.  I had back pain during the infusion and they had to stop, give meds and then restart.  It was not a scary reaction like the one I had with taxol (trouble breathing) and I may not have even recognized it if it hadn't been my second.  The nurse said it is very rare to react to herceptin.  Some of the nurses said it was the first time they had seen the reaction I had to taxol ( so it can't be ALL that common )  Guess I'm just lucky, huh?

    Jenn - They will continue with the Herceptin but maybe with a little benedryl or steroid.  That was my 9th infusion.  I hope they don't want to use steroids for the next year!!  Sounds like you are on the same course of treatment as I am now.  12X then every 3 weeks.  I have 3 more of my 12 to go. 

    bela- Sorry about the constipation - I had it my first few treatment and know how miserable it is!!

    Nancy - I am sorry you feel so bad!!  I think the "crash"  is 50% of the problem with taxol.  When those damn mega doses of steroid ware off, complimented by the lovely taxol poison...its pretty sucky.  Feel better!!

    Grateful33 - I know how you feel.  I am just starting to lose my hair and my willpower is going with it.  I am panicked about going out in public and being seen and crying all the time.  This sucks!!!  We WILL get through it.  hugs to you

  • BelaT
    BelaT Member Posts: 217
    edited March 2012

    Hugs to everyone.

    Nancy thanks I will keep on my stoll softners.

    I hope they find some vaccine for this monster.

    bela 

  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited March 2012

    Grateful33 - just feel those feelings of feeling low and not having strength to go on.  Once you recognize them, they do seem to get better.  That's how it works for me.  You always seem to be careful who you tell them to, as some people just can't handle it!!  

    Praying for you...be encouraged...

    I told my Oncologist I felt like giving up during A/C.  He said, "Okay if you feel that way, but I won't let you."   Then I told him I have no control over my life.  He said, "That's because I control your life now."  And we both laughed because we know it to be true.  Then he held my hand in a doctorly fashion and said you are doing great, much better than you think you are, and you will beat this and get better.

    So he gave me just what I needed that day.  I am passing his wisdom onto you and praying that you get just what you need today!

  • grateful33
    grateful33 Member Posts: 58
    edited March 2012

    Thank you DianeNMil and Denise-G- The support really helps.

    Diane- I know your willpower will return as will mine (before our hair returns I'm sure- I am completely bald now) We will hold on to each other through this all

    Denise-great advice from your onc. Thank you for sharing this. I do find that acknowledging the feelings of being low and being able to share them are so diffficult. Don't want DH and family to think I've given up but during moments when I feel like "I can't do this anymore"    I don't want to express this to them and cause them pain

    Thanks to all of you for being here (although I wish none of you had to share this with me)

    Miniwheat - so happy to hear no hepatitis :)

  • DianeNMil
    DianeNMil Member Posts: 130
    edited March 2012

    Having a weird se weekend.  Yesterday my calfs ached terrible like I spent hours on a stair machine and my windpipe in my throat hurt when I would breath in.  Plus exhaustion but that ones been around before.  Since my infusions are on Thursday, usually my weekend are kinda crappy.  Oh well, hope the rest of you are having a nice se free weekend!

  • miniwheat
    miniwheat Member Posts: 52
    edited March 2012

    Bracing for the dreaded treatment tomorrow... ugh!  I would rather go for simultaneous root canal and colonoscopy than this crap again.  I may not be on for a while after my treatment but hopefully I'll be well enough this time to chime in once in a while.  Hope you are all doing well today.

     giant hugs to you all

    Carol

  • CatWhispurrer
    CatWhispurrer Member Posts: 263
    edited March 2012
    NancyHB - what did your MO say about your SE's?   I am starting taxol tomorrow and so scared about new SE's.    I just had gotten used to what to expect with A/C.   I am especially scared about neuropathy as some say that it can be permanent.
  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012

    Cat:  No one warned me of these SEs.  Today has been, in fact, worse than yesterday.  The all-over pain - like I had worked out on every machine in the gym for hours - is mostly gone.  Today my bones and muscles are sore; my hips/back hurt enough that i cannot sit up, and cannot lay in one position longer than a few minutes.  I get out of breath trying to sit up. I have no pain meds so I'm relying on Tylenol.  Without a fever I hate to call the MO's office on a weekend (they're not going to do anything but tell me these are potential SEs) so I'll call tomorrow.  I hate to whine, but I have laid here and cried all day, I hurt so bad.  I told my DH today that if this is what it's going to be, I will not do the next five treatments. 

    I expect I am having non-typical SEs - I've not heard anyone else mention these kinds of symptoms.  A friend of ours had Taxol and she's baffled - said she never felt anything worse than "mild flu-like" symptoms for a day or so after, and was so much less tired than on AC.  I will admit - through all of this, I am not tired - just really, really sore.

    And no neuropathy symptoms yet - at least that's a positive!

  • grateful33
    grateful33 Member Posts: 58
    edited March 2012

    Oh Nancy - please hang in there.  I am a day ahead of you with dd Taxol and I spent all of yesterday in bed with shooting pains. Could not stay in one position for longer than a minute or two. Couldn't weight bear/walk on my own- needed DH's help to go to the bathroom. I also made due with Tylenol only. I am improved this morning (PST noon here) but still have pain. I was really really scared of this as I read ahead on the Taxol forums and discovered some women had excruciating pain. My thoughts are with you for speedy resolution of the pain. Hugs

    Diane- hope your SE's are minimal this time

    Carol- good luck on your treatment tomorrow.  I hate the anxiety of the day before.

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