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  • CookieMonster
    CookieMonster Member Posts: 1,035
    edited March 2012

    There are a numer of women here who had a UMX and then delayed recon and took the other breast with the DIEP recon so got 2 DIEP breasts. They can fill you in more on that.

    With DIEP the fat goes over the muscle. I'm not sure how it works with a TE and then DIEP though. Hopefully others can speak to that.

    Some doctors say no mammo after MX, others do not. I'll had DIEP Dec. 15, and will have mammo in June. Then every 6 months I'll have either an MRI or a mammo.

    -Judy

  • BrandonMom
    BrandonMom Member Posts: 412
    edited March 2012

    Hello!  I had a single mast in November 2008, and I am going back for a mast on the other side and a DIEP recon of both first of April.  Any advice?

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited March 2012

    FRAN... You do not need another TE when you have the DIEP... and the flap will go over the muscle, they will just reattach the muscle to where it belongs. My MO does not do US, mammo or MRI, although I may insist on an MRI at some point... just to monitor the chest wall and nodal area.

    Brandonmom... I suggest you read the 2011 DIEP thread... lots of info there.

  • TexasRose
    TexasRose Member Posts: 740
    edited March 2012

    I had a left MX in 2009. Almost four weeks ago (so delayed 3 years), I had the right breast removed (healthy) and bilateral DIEP. I did not have TE's at all. I wasn't planning on ever doing recon when I was first diagosed but I changed my mind after 3 years of being lopsided. No problems at all doing it that way. Not only supported by my PS but strongly encouraged as well to remove the right breast. I have no regrets even though the pathology was fine. It did show a very dense and fibrous breast though, so I am glad that I don't have the rest of my life to watch, wait and wonder.

    I asked my PS about mammograms and he said no. I see my onc on the 20th, so I will ask him about MRI's or any other followups he would suggest.    

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited March 2012
    okay thanks for the info. left boob really afraid now.Laughing
  • BrandonMom
    BrandonMom Member Posts: 412
    edited March 2012

    My breast surgeon said no mammograms, but since my bc was agressive/advanced, she would recommend a yearly MRI.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited March 2012
    fredntan, BrandonMom I also had the exact procedure you are describing. On the right side that already had mx a year earlier, they reopened it and kept the skin on the ab flap when they installed it. The top half of the frankenboob is chest skin, and the bottom half is tummy skin. On the left, there was a breast surgeon in the room who started things off and she did a skin sparing mx on that side and the ab flap was installed without skin except for a circle of ab skin in the areola position. (They did not want to do, nor did I want, a nipple sparing mx even for the prophylactic side.) The scars are different shapes but I tend to fade well so I don't care about that. The two sides are slightly different size so I think I will have a touch up when it is convenient. In clothes no one would notice so I am not in a hurry. I need to re-normalize my work productivity first. For following my condition, the MO will do a manual exam. I cannot have MRI without first removing an implant I have in my head so if they ever need a technical examination, I guess it will be an ultrasound.
  • rthrift1
    rthrift1 Member Posts: 21
    edited March 2012

    Hello ladies- I am 3 weeks post op today and Im finally starting to feel like my old self again. I decided to come back to work today. I still have a good bit of abdominal pain but I can tell it is getting better everyday. I do have a quick question though......Has anyone else noticed  that their shape is odd now? I have a flat stomach but I have this fat on my sides that makes me look strange. I am an average size but I know clothes are going to fit very different now. My boobs are alot smaller than I expected but I am truly grateful to atleast have boobs. So, I can deal with that. Its this side fat and odd shape that has me a little discouraged. Has anyone else had this or felt this way? Thanks a bunch.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited March 2012

    rthrift... Any odd fat can be lipo'd at stage II.. my doctor contours the rest of the body to match the flat stomach, so I had lipo of love handles, outer thighs, inner thighs, knees and upper abdomen... so I would ask your PS about "what next."

  • SAMayoFL
    SAMayoFL Member Posts: 958
    edited March 2012

    Hey Betsy!!!   I haven't been on here in forever!  How are you doing?

    Rthrift, it seems like yesterday that I was trying to decide if DIEP was right for me and now I am already 7 months out.  Stage 1 was in August and Stage 2 in November.  I still feel like I am oddly shaped.  My stomach is very flat but the rest of me still has fat.  My doctor did do contour lipo but I still have more than I need.  A word of warning too - if you gain weight I don't think it can go back to your tummy.  Maybe because of scar tissue?  So the weight goes other places.  I have gained about 15 pounds through the holidays and winter and my thighs are SCARY!  I have got to get up and start my exercise routine again.  I am still using chemo and surgery as an excuse.

    I hope you are all well.  The best news I can share is there is life after treatment and surgery!  YAY!!!!

    Susan

  • rthrift1
    rthrift1 Member Posts: 21
    edited March 2012

    bdavis- Thank you so much. I see the doctor again tomorrow. So, hopefully he will be able to make me feel a little better. Was stage II extremely painful? How long would I be out of work? I have a high pain tolerance but that sounds like alot of work....However, it sounds exactly like what I will need to have done as well. Thank you again.

  • charlestoncat
    charlestoncat Member Posts: 5
    edited March 2012

    wrsmith2x - mine split like the Grand Canyon and looked absolutely horrible.  We have a fabulous wound care center here that "installed" a wound VAC which was a totally pain in the behind but so well worth it!  Wore it for about a week and a half, very little discomfort and it really speeds up the healing.  My incision is coming together nicely with just light dressings on it now and I think in a couple more weeks will be closed!  Also - lots of protein.  I need 80-120/day for my 5'8" 140lbs. body for healing.  Great product called Pure Protein Shake (chocolate) that doesn't taste awful, is convenient and has 35 grams of protein! 

    Question for all - my PS said that silicone tape is the best for scars and that a lot of the creams on the market are snakeoil.  I have no desire to have stage II but would like to help my scars.  Any suggestions???

     Thanks to all of you for posting!  It is so very reassuring to know that I am not the only complication out there!

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited March 2012

    Susan.. I have been wondering about you... posted on your FB page as well...I had lipo on love handles and unfortunately see a little return of fat there, so I think its a myth about fat not returning... My PS said that if done properly, fat can return.. If sucked clean, then not.. and that would for sure end up looking funny if you gain weight.

    rthrift1.. I had my procedure before Thanksgiving so took two weeks off of work because I could with the added vacation time, but a week would have been doable if need be. I have a high pain tolerance too... it was a very bruised feeling.. but as long as I didn't move, I was ok... It improved quickly though... each day was exponentially better.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Just popping in to let everyone know that you are in my thoughts constantly.  I get to see your posts shortly after they come out since I have email on my iTouch, and am constantly amazed at your generous sharing and caring.  Thank you.

    Surgery is creeping up quickly for me (3/23) and I leave for MDA a week from tomorrow (ack).  Busy cleaning and prepping and trying to guess what I will and won't be able to do when I finally get home around 4/13.  Other than sleeping issues (I've had some pretty wild dreams lately), I've been doing pretty well the last couple of weeks.  I take my Xanax before bed to help with sleeping but still finding myself almost needing a nap by mid-afternoon--which indicates I'm not sleeping all that well at night.  I suspect that I'll be "okay" until about Wednesday or Thursday next week and then will start to panic.  Anesthesia appt. is Wednesday morning so will talk to him/her about some pre-surgery meds to minimize the likelihood that I'll run screaming from pre-op.  = )

    Quick question, is it usual to have a pre-op with both the BS and PS, or is it usually just with the BS?  I suspect the PS will want to do my body mark-up at some point but nothing has been scheduled yet with him (I do have a pre-op appt with the BS).  This is all done at MDA and I have sent an email asking but was just curious as to other's experience. 

    Hugs and love to all. 

  • dressager
    dressager Member Posts: 77
    edited March 2012

    Before I was dxed with BrCa back in November, I purchased tickets to a big event in Paris in October 2012. Now that my DIEP is delayed until late May/early June, I have to admit to the possibility that I won't be able to make the trip. I live on the west coast, so the plane trip is a long haul...

    Those of you have done bilateral reconstruction: is it folly to think that I might be able to make the trip three and half to four months post surgery? Obviously, lots can go wrong and delay recovery. But, in my two major surgeries in the last month, I've been a super strong recoverer---a surgical champ! Wink Knowing what you know, would you advise me to go ahead and cancel my plans?

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited March 2012

    Ysa, My sequence of events was that I saw PS at the very beginning of the plan, months before surgery. I saw him once more about a clinical trial about pain control, but nothing more about the DIEP. I did not meet the BS until a few weeks before the surgery. I had the CT scan at the same time as I saw the BS. I didn't see either of them at the pre-admission appointment. They had their game plan and didn't need to see me again. 

    The next time I saw the BS was in the OR. The PS had come around to the pre-surgical ward earlier the same morning where he marked me up. He did not return until I was under.

    The pre-admission appointment was a couple of days before surgery and they covered day of surgery procedures, where to go, what to bring, what to do the night before (NPO and bathing), recording my medications, and briefed me about their pain control services. We also discussed the consent for the pain control clinical trial and I had the opportunity to meet an anaesthesiologist in the clinical trial team to help me decide whether to do it.

    I'm sure there's a lot of different schemes but this seemed to be pretty efficient, minimal even, but it got the job done.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited March 2012

    dressager, go for it! I had registered for a half marathon at Disneyland and flew five hours there plus a bus ride from LAX to DL and then walked around for several hours then RAN 5K and didn't get to bed until I'd been awake 24 hours. Then 36 hours later, I ran 13 miles. Slow, but upright and smiling. The day after that, I did the bus ride and plane ride home on the red eye. And that was six weeks post-op. And I'm flying to London next month, four months post op. With luck, I will fly to Asia as soon as I am home from that. Lymphedema sleeves and stockings have been recommended as preventive measures and I think I'll do that, but I have no concerns. I've flown a few other times since and had no troubles. Your Paris travel should be fine.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited March 2012

    Dressager.. You should be fine... GO... I was walking in the Avon walk in NYC just 7 weeks post DIEP...

    Ysa... I met with PS and BS for a consult about 6 weeks before surgery ... Asked all my questions and was marked up to show me the plan.. I had another appt with PS the day before surgery, but he was stuck in surgery so he met up woth me just before surgery.

  • dressager
    dressager Member Posts: 77
    edited March 2012
    Thanks, goldlining and bdavis! Geez... after hearing your stories, I'd better find a half marathon to do in Paris or I'm the wuss of the century!
  • dressager
    dressager Member Posts: 77
    edited March 2012
    Thanks, goldlining and bdavis! Geez... after hearing your stories, I'd better find a half marathon to do in Paris or I'm the wuss of the century. Laughing
  • TexasRose
    TexasRose Member Posts: 740
    edited March 2012

    Holy cow! I'm 4 weeks out and I don't think I'll be doing any half marathons anytime soon, but then I'm 50 years old and I've never done one so I guess it's not really all that surprising. Laughing

    dressager, I had a Hawaii trip planned and was leaving on April 4th. PS felt sure the surgery would be in January. I was nervous about that. Got the schedule for the surgery and it was February 14th. We rescheduled Hawaii and are now going in September. I will be fine to go long before that but September works out best in other ways for us. I think you will be fine. Will you delay Stage 2 until you get back?

    Elisabeth- it's getting close, isn't it? And the time will fly. On the other hand, the time after will fly too. Seems like I was just having mine and it's been a month already.

    My pre-surgery was similar to goldlining's. I didn't have a BS this time although I did in 2009 when they removed the cancerous breast. This time I had two PS and the assisting one did the MX or at least according to the bill I got today, she billed it so I'm assuming she did it. I had a pre-admissions appt where I went to hospital admissions and gave them all my insurance info and signed all the forms, paid my share, etc. Then I had an appt with anesthesiology and they did a brief history & physical exam, and EKG, went over the anesthesia and the night before and morning of instructions, etc. Then I had an appt for the dreaded nekkid photos. Wink 

    Morning of surgery, my PS came in and marked me up. I had to ask DH because I don't really remember a lot of that for some reason. He said I was standing up and PS drew all over me and left. I didn't see him again that I recall until the next day when he came by in the hospital to check on me. I have a few vague memories of recovery but not really anything concrete.

    I am doing so much better than last week. The stomach bug is long gone. My appetite is coming back and my weight is creeping up again. Dang it. I had lost 10 pounds since the surgery. I need to jump back on WW immediately. I still want to lose 5 or 6 pounds (in addition to the 10 already lost). I drove today for the first time and it felt so good to get out and not be stuck in the house. The sun was out and it was a beautiful day here. I just ran errands, stopped at Starbucks. Just enjoyed myself. I was tired when I got home, but it was worth it.

    Oh and I talked to my insurance company. I had gotten a notice that they were denying the anesthesia portion of the bill. Not the surgery- just the anesthesia. Huh??? So I called them today and the girl I talked to was so nice. She looked it up and said it had gotten rejected because the anesthesiology dept coded it as a prophylactic breast removal which is cosmetic instead of breast reconstruction/mastectomy like the PS coded it. I called the PS office and they are taking care of it. We've all gotten a laugh over them not paying just for the anesthesia. Guess they wanted me to just bite on a bullet. lol

    Elisabeth, get some good sleep. Anna, are you lurking out there? I owe you a PM, but you need to hop on this thread too and get some support. Aren't you having your surgery at MDA around the same time Elisabeth is?

    Night ladies. Peace and blessings to us all.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Thanks to the ladies who responded re: the PS experiences.   PS took the (lovely NOT, embarassing VERY) pictures during my first appt. so it seems like it would be typical for me to not see him now until the morning of surgery when they come to paint pretty pictures on me.  Since everything is at MDA, I don't have a pre-admission appt.  They did the EKG and chest x-ray while I was there in mid-Feb. and I just have an anesthesiologist appt. 2 days before surgery, and then my BS pre-op appt the day before. 

    Mary - so glad you got the billing worked out.  Seems like most the ladies who have had issues with insurance found out that something was miscoded. And am so jealous of your Hawaii trip!  Lived on the Big Island for a year many, many, many years ago and have always loved the islands.  You enjoy every well-deserved moment of it!!

    dressager - I'll join you in wuss-world!  Goldlining and bdavis are pretty amazing (and a tad intimidating!!).  = )

    Night all!

  • CookieMonster
    CookieMonster Member Posts: 1,035
    edited March 2012

    Dressager - I concur - GO!! 3-4 months you'll be FINE!  I'm just about 3 months now and a fast/good healer and when people ask I say I'm 95% physically, and that last 5 is things like numb spots and the occasional ache or twinge, but that's about it.

    Ysa - I had pre-op visits with BS and PS (they work in the same office so I saw them back to back) about 10 days before surgery, mostly so that they could answer my questions. (I always have lots of questions.) My PS did the mark up in the pre-op area at the hospital before surgery, nothing before, but he did show me what he was going to do before.

  • Seashellie
    Seashellie Member Posts: 152
    edited March 2012

    Hi Dressager - I agree with the others... you should be fine! I'm 3 1/2 months out, 47, have done no marathons in my life and probably won't, took a good couple of months of to heal enough to really feel "back to normal-ish", get around well and stand up totally straight comfortably (I was pulled tighter than normal, though.) Have a wonderful trip!

    I had my surgery in November so that I would have 3 months to be healed up by the time my Daugher had her baby boy... on Feb 20th (which turned out to be exactly 12 weeks from surgery!) So I am a new first time Grandma now for 3 weeks and am SO in love with this little guy!!!! She found out she was pregnant right about the time I was diagnosed last year, too.....

    I'm going to have stage 2 in May and have some necrosis at the very top on my left side. I look forward to getting rid of it as a big bump/lump there is disconcerting even though I know it's not cancer. I just hope it doesn't take out too much volume. 

    TexasRose - Love your anesthesia story!!! Oh Yes... they WILL be paying for that!! Or maybe they want to show you how that should be done without their services?  :)

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited March 2012

    Seashelly... I went into Stage II with a large area of firmness on left, and my PS did work on that breast, but said he felt a lot of the firmness was just swelling... But here I am 4 months post stage II and still quite firm... so I will go back in the Fall to hear what next... But I agree that I fear I will lose volume, and they have talked fat grafts or baby flap.

  • Dutchy
    Dutchy Member Posts: 432
    edited March 2012

    Ladies, It is so good to be back on this thread.  I never should of stayed away so long.  I have to get ready for work but will answer your questions tonight.  Take care.  Dutchy...Evelyn

  • Dutchy
    Dutchy Member Posts: 432
    edited March 2012

    Ladies, It is so good to be back on this thread.  I never should of stayed away so long.  I have to get ready for work but will answer your questions tonight.  Take care.  Dutchy...Evelyn

  • iswimibikeirun
    iswimibikeirun Member Posts: 743
    edited March 2012

    Eeks.  I'm getting closer . . . preop with the PS today and at the hosptial on Thursday.  I sent an email to my close friends updating them on my surgery.  It's becoming r.e.a.l.!

  • lbrewer
    lbrewer Member Posts: 766
    edited March 2012

    SAMayo,

    I sent you a PM.  I need to ask some questions.

  • CookieMonster
    CookieMonster Member Posts: 1,035
    edited March 2012

    Hi Ladies,

    I'm having a very difficult time right now - not physically, but decision wise. I saw my PS for follow up yesterday. Everything looks good and I'm healing well, then we turned to next steps. Right now I'm feeling a bit lost, I don't know what to do. I don't have a close girlfriend here to talk this over with either. DH is supportive, but basically says do what you want to do. I had a UMX on the right side with DIEP reconstruction. Before surgery I was a G cup size. I'm 5'1" with a fairly big bone structure. So here are my options and thinking.

    Option 1 - leave right breast as it is now (it's at least a D cup if not more), do a lift and small reduction on the left side to match the right, then do nipple on the right (he says he can do it with the skin that's already there). This means, I think, just one more outpatient surgery for the left side and then just local for nipple and tattooing. Disadvantages of this - bigger boobs than I really want

    Option 2 - do lipo on the right breast to decrease it to a C cup (1 surgery), wait 2 months and then do a lift and reduction on the left side to match the right (2nd surgery), then do nipple on right as above. This means 2 more surgeries rather than one, but getting my breasts to where I *think* I want them. Disadvantages of this - 2 surgeries (although I haven't had any issues yet with the surgeries and heal quickly), and the what if - what if they end up too small (DH asks, what's too small? - I don't know)

    And I seriously can't decide what I truly want to do. PS says he doesn't want to do the lipo and lift in the same surgery because then symmetry can be off, it's better to do the lipo then wait and then do the lift/reduction on the other side, that way he can match better.

    Sorry to go on so long, I'm just really struggling with what to do.

    I also have small dog ears that the PS will fix during whichever surgery is first, but that's not a biggie.

    So, anyone have any brilliant words of wisdom for me? I THINK I'm leaning towards 2 surgeries so that I can get what I really want out of all of this, but it is 2 surgeries which worries me. I'm also in the process of losing weight and don't know how much more I'll lose in the breasts - not THAT much I don't think.

    Last thing - I'm a teacher and plan any big surgery for the summer so the lipo would be spring break and then the lift/reduction would be in summer.

    Thanks for being my shoulder to lean on, thanks for listening, now I just have to make a decision. Aargh!!!

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