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  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited February 2012

    me thinks the alchemists are poking fun.. not too cool.  I wish i could make gold.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited February 2012

    Whatever they're smoking...I don't want any!

  • MariaVan
    MariaVan Member Posts: 1
    edited February 2012

    Alchemy is definitely more than transforming things into gold. In the broadest sense it deals with transmutation of any elements and in some school of alchemy was also thought to relate to the spiritual transformation. Someone just sent me a link to an article in the UK Daily News reporting on a study done at the University of Leeds regarding the healing power of silver. The study showed that silver compounds are as effective at killing certain cancer cells as a leading chemotherapy drug, but with potentially far fewer side-effects. The healing power of metals, which is part of alchemy, has been known throughout the ages. I am not exactly sure how they used the silver in this study but maybe there's a "modern day alchemist" among us who knows more about silver and healing.

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited February 2012

    If someone were to discover a cure for cancer from any metal (including gold) that would be a gold mine. I think the principle for the silver treatment would be the same as platinum-based chemos, only cheaper. Cancer eventually finds a way around platinum chemos so it would be likely the same for silver (just guessing). But maybe silver atoms are smaller or there is something intrinsically different about silver that could give it an edge.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited February 2012

    something tells me that these alchemists aren't doing silver-based chemo.

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited February 2012

    A few thoughts here...

    First of all I would like to welcome all the brand new members who have an interest in alchemy. It's amazing they could find each other at a breast cancer website of all places.

    Sunspark's story about the Roman emperor sounds like Rumpelstiltskin I wonder which one came first. 

    I wonder if the alchemists are really working with metals like lead and mercury. Those are so toxic, anyone working with them should be very careful. For example both metals I mentioned can cause cognitive problems.

  • heatherckc
    heatherckc Member Posts: 9
    edited February 2012

    Excuse me for saying so, but "member of the club" sounds like a drug rep for tamoxifen. "dougbrimor" has far more choices then drugs, radiation or a mastectomy, and I ASSURE you, she will not here about them from her "surgeon, Oncologist or doctor"

    I chose from the beginning to go natural. I have changed my diet and in turn my life. I also am doing the high dose IV vitamin C therapy twice a week. You have choices. Educate yourself, research, ask. Good luck to you all.

  • Kathy044
    Kathy044 Member Posts: 433
    edited February 2012

    Yes, as Heidihill mentioned, this would be a silver based cytotoxic chemo sweetbean.

    http://www.chem.leeds.ac.uk/home/news.html

    "Researchers at the Universities of Leeds and Bradford have found that particular silver compounds are as toxic to cancer cells as the platinum-based drug Cisplatin, which is widely used to treat a range of cancers"

    My husband, who is stage IV with another cancer, had platinum therapy last year. It failed after five cycles. Interesting comment that this is a common way that cancers respond to this type of therapy Heidihill. Thanks. He next tried a numbered antibody drug (along with reg chemo) in a clinical trial. That one lasted much longer before failing. So what's the point? In his case with each treatment the pain and sickness associated with the cancer disappeared. S/Es aren't everything

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

    I love this site -  http://www.alternativehealth.co.nz/cancer/homeopathy.htm   Homeopathy is one of the most genuine alchemeic practices, imo.   Flower essences.  Have heard of mineral and metal alchemy, not studied it.

    Edited to add sorry, daughter called and I posted too soon.  The homeopathy  'cure', maybe for some, but all are different.  I can say one thing, I am preferring living now to back then.  

    I am also one who chooses to use 'alternative' therapies, synergistic choices.   I want to heal my cancer cells, not try to kill them and possibly me in process.  I do several protocols a day all designedfor my one personal protocol.  I transition to different compatible protocols throughout the month, then back again.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited February 2012

    possibly colloidal silver in a spray??  I notice that gary null promoting curcumin, found a study that it helped prostate a great deal, but doesn't meantion breast.  I note that it's estrogenic.......& am wondering why those pharms which prevent blood vessel formation arn't or are no longer used for breast.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

    Newton the Alchemist

    Sir Isaac Newton, the famous seventeenth-century mathematician and scientist, though not generally known as an alchemist, practiced the art with a passion....most scholars now concede that Newton was first an foremost an alchemist. It is also becoming obvious that the inspiration for Newton's laws of light and theory of gravity came from his alchemical work.

    The revered founder of modern science and the mechanistic universe -- also ranks as one of the greatest spiritual alchemists of all time.  

    http://www.alchemylab.com/isaac_newton.htm#Newton the Alchemist 

    The Dibner Library of the History of Science and Technology, Smithsonian Institution Libraries

    http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/newton/mss/norm/ALCH00081

    No comment 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

    Maud,

    What point are you trying to make with the Newton post  and how does it pertain to this forum? You copied and pasted this information and than wrote no comment.  It makes no sense to me.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

    Well, I hear the distinguished Sir Isaac Newton turning over in his grave, so I thought a little lesson in history would benefit quite a few posters on this alternative forum.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

    Why would Isaac Newton be turning in his grave?   What lesson is there to be learned on reading his biography?  How is learning about Isaac Newton going to be benefiting members of BCO and which posters on the alternative forum need this benefit?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

    By what authority am I being asked to justify my post ?

  • Ang7
    Ang7 Member Posts: 1,261
    edited February 2012

    How I read it was that she was asking you what your post is all about not asking you to justify it...

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited February 2012

    The subject of alchemy was discussed several pages back and this was simply a comment on those posts IMO!  Can we move on?

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    homeopathy is a form of alchemy & is an alternate treatment.  there's a site I just found about the homeopathy alchemy, not as treatment, just as information (on a very quick read)

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    reading more on this site this morning I see that they offer a form of gold.  gold apparently turns to sludge in the body & isn't absorbed, causes only trouble. the water info on the site could be good, but the gold offering makes me question the whole bit of info

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    anyone try DMSO?  not an alternative, really, a chemical used in paper manufacturing, said to cure cancer, but also said to shrink brain as well as cancer.  a temptation not an alternate therapy I guess.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    I use DMSO for pain, in knees, perhaps a bee sting.  It helps whatever treatment to be absorbed more thoroughly, deeply.  It also does help pain.  I also use MSM for my protocols, again, making the treatments more viable, imo, and I prefer to hope of all hopes that this is working for me. 

    The reason DMSO is only a solvent now in USA is that the trials that were proving it to be useful for so many health challenges were discontinued.  Recently, I read The Miracle of MSM: The Natural Solution for Pain. 

    DMSO = MSM (15% of DMSO breakdown is MSM)

    MSM is a metabolite of DMSO.  dimethyl sulfoxide

    I will also be using it for LE, topically, starting this evening.  But up to now, I have been drinking some highly diliuted MSM water each day followed by other supplements in 15 minutes.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    "anyone try DMSO? not an alternative, really, a chemical used in paper manufacturing, said to cure cancer, but also said to shrink brain as well as cancer. a temptation not an alternate therapy I guess"

    Your source ? 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    the helpful paer od cruciferous vegetables is sulfur

    (dmSo)

    My sourse about this stuff:  an aquaintance:  "you've never heard about dmso???I'm really surprised. "  (etc)

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    the lorriane therapy according to an observer, is a modified gerson therapy.  I read the cancer cure rate, for all cancers I guess, is 3%.  I did a quick think:  of the 35 people I know or heard sof who had cancer, 3 were cureds,  2 breast cancer, both had mastectomies fairly early, & 1 lung cancer.  he used a modified gerson therapy, some years later began bleeding & so then had surgery.  he's fine 20+ years later.  the others, 35 are all deadsd.  different kinds of cancer, blood, stomach, breast (most those), pancreatic, have no idea of what therapy used

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    that's about .99 0r 1% cure rate

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    but that cure rate isn't 5 year survival, or whatever they call cure now, it's many many year survival & d

    ead of something else or still living.  one of the women survived for more than 60 years afterwards.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012
    • but I'm not concidering surgery:  I'd die of fear.
  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited March 2012

    Abigail, be aware when women say they've survived BC for a long time that they probably had an early stage which was surgically removed, or DCIS which can go away without any treatment.  They wouldn't have progressed anyway.

    I don't know anyone on these alternative threads who would advise anyone not to have surgery at the very least.  Some women have sad tales to tell of how they had no surgery at first and used alternatives, then found they had mets due to their inaction.  If cancer grows through the skin that's a shocking and painful thing, worse than 100 operations. If it's near the chest wall then that also is a fatal situation if not removed.

    You won't die of fear from an operation.  You will have help to get over your fears, just let your health care providers know.  Trust them, they want to help you.  Is there someone you can take along to appointments?  I'm worried about you.

    Does the surgeon want to do a lumpectomy or a mastectomy?  I had a double mastectomy (BMX). Otherwise I'd have mets by now.  I didn't follow all their recommended treatments but I wanted the cancer removed as it sends out bad cells around the body if left there.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited March 2012

    joyslieswithin...good to see you here. I've learned a lot from you and respect your balance & research.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited March 2012

    Abigail:  I second what JoyLiesWithin is saying.  Even the most ardent alternative professionals strongly suggest surgery, beause the body will have a much better chance of fighting off invading cells if the tumor is removed first; otherwise, the body has to work too hard to try and destroy the tumor.  If it can be removed, do it quickly.  Mine was quick and almost painless.

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