Regaining Sensation After MX Without Reconstruction
Hi, all!!
When I was making decisions about surgery, I was under the impression that whether I chose recon or not, I would never regain sensation. Much to my surprise, and delight, at 5 months out, I am regaining sensation!
I wonder how many of us who chose no recon are regaining sensation. I wonder why I didn't know that this was possible when I was making my decisions.
I was hoping we could share information about the extent to which we are regaining sensation, and how far out we are from surgery. Also interesting might be whether itching is accompanying the recovery of feeling...in my case, I am getting a funny itch in my back that cannot be relieved, no matter how much it is scratched. I think it might be related... it is a little annoying, but if it means I will feel again, I'll take it gladly...:)
Anyone else out there have thoughts on this?
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CLC,its odd but I got a bmx with TE and it was skin sparing. I am almost 4 wks out now and my skin over the TE is same as b4 except for a few spots near the incision which seem like there is fabric over them or that I am wearing clothes even when I'm not. It is unusual I guess cuz my PS doesnt seem to take me seriously when I tell her I am not numb like everyone says they are. Did they miss cutting the nerve?
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Layla...that's great!! What a bonus!
Wouldn't it be great if it turns out that there are many of us getting feeling?
For me, the most upsetting thing about mx was not appearance, but sensation...so I am ever so grateful I am regaining feeling. There is one spot that feels very very numb...but it is a tiny spot, just under my snb. The incision across is becoming very pleasantly sensitive
Claire
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Whether one has reconstruction or not, it's not unusual to regain skin sensation. Some of us regain almost all skin sensation, most of us regain some skin sensation, some of us unfortunately regain none.
Where there's confusion is that too often when women say that they've regained sensation or feeling, others think that they are referring to breast sensation (as in "inside the breast") and not just skin sensation. After a mastectomy, there is no more breast sensation, since there are no nerves left inside the breast, even for those who have reconstruction (an implant certainly doesn't have nerves, nor does body fat).
I have implant reconstruction. I've regained most of my skin sensation - I can feel when my breast is touched. Despite this, if I lean against something with my 'breast', I still get a distinct feeling of numbness. And if my breast is poked, I feel nothing. So there are different types of feeling and sensation; some we get back and some we don't. And strange as it may seem, it's possible to regain skin sensation, as I have, and yet still feel numbness, as I do.
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Thanks, Beesie!! Numbness in general is strange, isn't it? Your body, but, yet, somehow, not your body...
The only women I know that have had mx that discussed this with me (while I was deciding about my surgery) had recon and neither of them have any sensation. They both said, out of hand, you'll never have sensation again. What with all of the other things to consider, I just accepted that and never questioned it. Now, as I am regaining sensation, I wondered if that was just because I had no recon. I am so glad to hear that many women get sensation back. It is one less thing cancer and cancer treatments have stolen from many.
For me, when wearing a prosthetic, If I lean against the prosthetic, my body experiences it exactly the same as my remaining breast...transferring feeling to the body wall and muscles... maybe my remaining breast isn't very sensitive within it and I only ever really felt either the surface or pressure at the back wall...so it seems just like it always did, minus a nipple and my snb spot.
What is just starting to come is the feeling at the surface. That is what I didn't expect and for which I am so glad!!
Claire
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My non-recon breasts (what do we call this part of our body now??) are not really numb. My underarm where they took my lymph nodes is still numb, and I'm over two years from that surgery. I have the same feeling in my breast area as I do on, say, the inside of my arm. I can tell I'm touching it. But yes, those special nerves that used to be there are definitely not there anymore. That hasn't been a big deal for me. When I wear my prostheses I feel like I have breasts....someone hugs me and I feel the hug as I did before. I forget about not having breasts all the time.....when I'm busy during the day I never give it a thought.
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Claire, I am two years post-BMX no recon and have full sensation in my chest & underarms.
I had lightning-bolt 'zaps' of pain, but not the itching, as I healed. That lasted maybe a year.
I go flat so no bra, which is very freeing. But a silk cami is always nice next to your skin.
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Hi ladies, I had BMX 6 months ago, no recon, and I am definately getting some sensations back. Like Badger, I too have the odd "bolts" of pain. Apparently this is a good thing!! My BS said that many women do get feeling back, partial or whole. I still have areas under my arms that are numb, but can now feel when I shave my armpits! I hardly ever wear my prosthetics (have worn them maybe 4 times in 6 months) but find when I do that I get "phantom pain" in my non-existant boobs! Very wierd and disconcerting.....I also get the itching, like CLC, which is also really annoying at times because no matter how I rub it I can't get rid of it. Only lasts a minute or so though, so not so bad. All in all, am feeling really good and haven't looked back
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Rowan, here's a tip I got from someone here on dealing with phantom pain in MIA breasts:
Go somewhere private and gently place your hands on your (flat) chest and look at yourself. If you can get to a mirror and remove your shirt that's best but not essential. What you want to do is give your brain the input from the senses of touch and sight, so it can 'update' the nerves that there's nothing there.
IDK about you, but the first few months post-BMX my chest was super-sensitive. The touching technique got me through those days when I just wanted to take off my shirt and give my chest a break (they frown on that where I work). BTW I learned it was best if I wore natural fabrics like cotton or silk.
As for the phantom itching, I vaguely remember something on this board about a reflexology spot on your arm that corresponds to the chest, and if you scratch your arm it would satisfy the itch in your phantom limb. Haven't tried that myself but what the heck, it might be worth searching for.
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I really like hearing that there is hope for some feeling to come back! For me, at just over two weeks out, I have full feeling in armpit with snb, but areas of numbness above my incision across my chest and some areas of numbness below the incision, not quite everywhere. I occasionally get the zinger feeling, but can't pinpoint where it is zinging
when I first looked at the area and felt it or placed gauze over the incision, it was like the numb thick feeling I would get with novacaine in my lip/cheek at dentist. I did not want to touch or have anyone else touch my chest (drs and nurses included!)... But, it feels less "fat" this past week, still numb.... I wanted to get over the dread of touching the area, so, at first when I got out of the shower and patted myself dry, I would take the towel between my hands and gently put pressure above or below the incision and massage in circular motion... I now use my fingers to do this when I am in the shower.... (not on the incision yet since it is still crusty) I feel like I am keeping these "thick" numb areas from adhering to whatever below and maybe stimulating things to grow I hope! Cotton feels best to me on my skin, I can't wear anything that is tight or puts pressure on my ribs... I am itching like crazy all over my abdomen and arms, not just near the incision. Drives me crazy!
By the way, I have two great aunts who had mastectomy without recon about 20-25 years ago and they told me they have full feeling on their chests, but they couldn't remember how they felt right around the surgery time. One of my aunts has one spot in her armpit without feeling, but she is satisfied it is only a small area.
Steph
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Steph, you are doing really well. It took me 3-4 months before I was able to touch the area directly with my hands. The numbness completely grossed me out. It also took about that long for my armpit to regain feeling.
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Thanks for the good advice, Badger. I shall certainly try it. Aren't our brains amazing things!!
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I have full feeling in my chest. I also have a small amount of breast tissue remaining at the bottom of where my breasts were. Originally I planned to have that removed to get a flatter, more easily concealed result. But I didn't want to go through another surgery too soon and then I had other healthcare issues that made it impossible to deal with anything else. And time has changed everything.
Now those issues are doing pretty well and I could have the surgery if I wanted to, but the sensations I get from those little bits of tissue are something that I don't want to give up. TMI ahead - When my husband comes up behind me and raises his hands up under those bits it's like old times.
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Hi All, Very interesting discussion. I am a little over 22 mos out from BMX, 4+ mos out from center dog ear removal, and 2+ mos of wearing prosthetics. I think I have seen the most regain of sensation over the last 6 mos. The biggest and most recent surprise is that anywhere I barely touch the silicone forms, I feel it exactly as if I had actual real breasts and I am flat as a pancake. The feeling is there somewhat with foam forms but not remotely as strong The only real noticeable dead spot that I still have is the end of the incision under the right arm (proph side). In my case, the one disconnect with wearing forms is that they "feel" like they have migrated up when in fact they are exactly where they belong. And yet touching them or a hug feels exactly as before.
Barbara
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Hi all, I'm just wondering how soon after BMX did you start wearing a prothesis? I had my surgery 2/20 and although I want to have some form I can't imagine anything touching my chest right now.I haven't been out shopping yet but feel like I need to look normal again.
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hi Kraemermom, I wore a mx camisole for a month after BMX that had pockets and light-weight poofies. If memory serves, my chest felt 'sunburned' and very sensitive for six months post-BMX. So I couldn't imagine wearing anything heavy. Luckily, there are lots of light-weight options.
Here's a website founded by someone here that is extremely helpful: http://breastfree.org/
I don't use prosthetics myself but do understand why you'd want to. Best wishes! ((hugs))
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I am 14 months out from my bmx with node dissection. I am finally getting normal sensations. I have had severe PMPS and for some reason after a horrible weekend of pain about two weeks ago, I woke up on a Monday morning and the worst was gone. I am going on my third week with out the bad stuff. I still have an on again off again relationship with the nerve damage and the feelings I get. Lately, the chest has felt icky. I can wear clothes without feeling like I have razor blades on the shirts, but I don't like my partner touching me cuz it doesn't quite feel good. Could be that I need to go back to OT for scar tissue adhesion release as well.
I think it is great that some of us are getting normal sensations back. My surgeon never said a word about not feeling again. The only thing she told me was that there could be some nerve damage.
P.S. Trying scratching that itch with a towel. I have spots that itch but can't scratch cuz of the nerve damage making it hurt. Using a towel seems to help a lot! Maybe it would help you.
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Another thing on the zaps...Last summer I was laying on the sofa. We had a terrible bee problem last summer, didn't realize till fall there was a giant fully complete bee hive in a tree. Anyway, I got up screaming running outside for Brian cuz I swore I was being stung by a bee. Never did find anything. A few weeks ago I was putzing in the kitchen and there it was again....feeling like I was being stung by a bee. Then I realized it was just the stupid nerve zaps...
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