January 2012 chemo
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Thanks for the info! A little different for everyone on the steroids, but definitely less than with AC. Yea!
Annie
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Hi again,
Checking in day 2 post treatment AC number 3 for my wife "J".
So far (thank God) things are going well. "j" is doing better than on tx #2. Less brain fog / curtains, still some fatigue, but some weird neuropathy in both hands the day of tx (MO doesn't know what this is since we have not started Taxol yet), and finger nails turning black (nurse sez this is the Red Devil).
"J" has had some really weird food cravings too...Spaghetti and Meatballs are the number one focus, especially day of infusion...that is all she talks about during the infusion. Craving meat, pizza, pasta. I told her that she needs to eat what her body is craving. Her WBC were excellent according to the MO (6.5), so no nadir bloodwork or neulasta for "J". We are chalking this up to eating lots of strawberries, white beans, spinach, and garbonzos.
Both of us are super tired today. Baby boy (in new avatar photo w/ his mommy) was up all night and inconsolable. Teething pain getting the best of him now, 4 new teeth on the top / bottom fronts and his molars are peeking in through the swelling...poor thing.
Jealous that most of you have moved on to Taxol, but we can definitely see the light at the end of the AC tunnel. I really like the way Nancy puts this..."eating the elephant one bite at a time".
DeniseGardenter ~ you and my wife do have similar diags! My wife had a history of cysts leading up to pregnancy. She thought that was what the one huge lump was, but then it started hurting. She still is kicking herself for not catching it sooner. I keep telling her that we can't Monday Morning Quarterback this one. There is no way she would have known...she had a mammo the year prior to pregnancy and was told all was well and that the lumps were just cysts...turns out pregnancy really may have accelerated the growth of her tumor since it was estrogen +.
You are all in our thoughts and prayers...daily!
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spaghetti and meatballs!!! love it!! i have wanted pizza and lasagna!!!!!!
hoping everyone has a good weekend!
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I'm obviously not the only one who is now craving meat/beef! I've been feeling like I've turned into a cavewoman!
Jenn -
I'm bummed we're having fish for dinner (no, not Filet-o-Fish but I'm actually making almond-encrusted whitefish) because that beef craving just came back! It's so funny - I haven't eaten beef in almost two years. I just figure my body must need the red meat, so riceandbean, keep encouraging J to eat whatever her body tells her - there's a reason, I'm sure!
Thinking of you all - hope your weekend is relaxing and enjoyable!
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Jenn Thanks for the cavewomen laugh! Me get chemo, eat meat.
Damn I need sleep (:
I am in the crew that doesnt sleep well too. Tired all the time, just not sleepy ):
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I've been having the hot flashes too. They are more like night sweats since I only get them while asleep. It seems my head is the most upset by them. I wake up with my head sweating and then my temperature plummets and I get cold. Really weird! Fortunately for me, my overall sleep is good. I go to bed early and sleep (with a few bathroom breaks) through the night. I'm doing more at work (since I feel better) and I come home physically exhausted. That helps me sleep.
Annie - In answer to you steroid question - I took 20mg of dex the night before my first taxol and 20mg right before that tx. More steroids were given after my reaction. For my next tx, my mo wants me to double the steroids. Instead of getting less, I'll be taking significantly more steroids while on taxol. Not pleasant!
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Hi Everyone: I've just caught up on reading pages of posts. Too many to respond to each of you. My third AC was last week and all I've done is sleep...almost around the clock. And although there's no nausea, there's been a drain of appetite as well. Living alone as I do, once I settle into my recliner, if I didn't gather whatever I needed before I sat down, I just don't have the energy to get up and get it. I think part of this is just an overwhelming depression as well as fatigue.
I started back to work this week as well. I'm cleared to work up to 32 hours a week but only could put in 24 this week due to the fatigue. Today was an 8 hr workday and it really zapped me. My boss is so glad to have me back that he's very understanding but at the same time there is so much to be done that he kept asking me to do 'one more thing before I leave."
I think I am appearing to be too 'healthy' and upbeat and therefore am perceived to have it together. Do I have to fake being sick to be able to leave when I am just tired to the core? Sigh. It is like people who tell us we're an inspiration, brave, etc. (and look so good besides).
Someone else posted that maybe they need to be less of a slob when their hair comes back. I hear so many compliments that my 'hair' (they know it's a wig) looks great. I think ...'geesh, when I used to go get my hair colored or cut, nobody ever said a word" Now, all of a sudden, I look so great.
The minute I get in my car I take off the wig. And skip the hats. I just drive home bald. I couldn't care less what other drivers think if they notice. I hate the wigs even though they're actually all quite nice.
Next Thursday (3/16) I have the final AC. Then two weeks after that I'll start the first of 12 weekly taxols.
Hugs to all of you. I'll try to keep up.
(Oh, the mental health situation with my daughter has continued. I just choose not to comment on it tonight. But I have shed more tears over that than I have over the cancer! On the plus side, she has a hearing to acquire social security disability scheduled for April 2nd....after waiting for a year. She has a lawyer and if she's approved, it will help a lot. If she's denied, that's another story.)
I think of each of you daily and keep you in my prayers. Best wishes to all of you.
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Karen - I think I know what you mean about appearing too healthy. Right after my 4th AC I was hospitalized for 2 days. I had a high fever,diarrhea (C-diff), and I felt like crap. I must have heard 5 or 6 times from health care professionals 'how good' I looked!. I finally said to a nurse that I really should practice 'looking sick'. All my life I've put on a strong face and got on with life no matter what was going on. My mom was like that too. I don't think it gets you much in the long run.
At work my boss is trying to be helpful and understanding. Twice this week he stuck his head in my office and told me to go home early. That's nice, but it doesn't do me any good since my work load (mostly paper work) is the same. I can't go home if I have time sensitive reports or IEPs to write. They can only be written at work where I have access to student files or intranet access. I know coworkers are trying to help but they have their own lives to deal with etc. I think most friends feel like its time to move on. This BC stuff has been going on since September (for me). Its just too long. I think we are all tired of being 'sick'.
Hopefully your daughter will be given SS disability. This can be a big help to reduce financial concerns, etc. That is certainly something that you don't need to worry about now!
And by the way, many report that the 4th AC is not as bad as #3. Personally, if you take away my little visit to the ER, #4 was manageable. Taxol has not been too bad so far.
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FLDREAMER - I had to laugh when you said you "may be appearing too healthy and upbeat".
I am on #2 Taxol and feel like I am coming back to life. The more I tell people I am starting to feel good, the more they expect of me. I have to find a happy medium on this! I could definitely relate to your post!
One thing I was proud of, during A/C I could barely walk up the steps. Now I am up to a mile on my Leslie Sansone walking tape. Nothing like before diagnosis, but it is a start. Shhh, don't tell anyone or they will have me doing too much!
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I thought I had dodged the "hair Bullet" . Early on I got the short haircut, shopped for wigs and researched scarfs. After 8 treatment doc and nurses thought I would not lose hair. Now with only 4 to go....hair is coming out and I am feeling absolute exhaustion! They did say the taxol was cummalative. I was sure I was not going to lose hair and now I am kinda freakin out. 7th day of absolute exhaustion and now this....can I get through 4 more?
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Just checking in again. Im glad to see most are doing well. I just finished number 4 Red Devil.
Soon moving on to Taxol. I hear this isnt as bad. I hope thats true.
Right now I cant even hardly read ot think about treatments without getting sick.
The mental connection is weird.
I think and pray for you all often even though I dont post alot.
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I just spent time reading over the past 2-3 weeks of posts that I've missed - you're all in my thoughts.
Kitchenella - Sending you supportive thoughts for you and your family.
PCBarbie - I really loved the Flame On/Flame Off and the hat dream! What a bizarre world we enter here. And I hope you continue to get some relief for your hands and arms. I'm sorry all this has you reconsidering other plans, like moving, but it sounds like up to now you've done a great job at making the right choices to take care of you, and that's got to be your priority now.
riceandbeans - That's a great story about your son and his hair! Something to remind him of when he's old enough to really understand.
Annie - That is a perfect description of fatigue. I'm often feeling 'okay,' but then I get up to go to the sink, or to the printer at work, and if I move at my usual pace, by the time I get there, I have to rest. It is so different than 'being tired' or aching after a long day of exercise.
FLDreamer - Best wishes for your daughter's hearing. That hopefully would be a help. And I so understand your idea of feeling like you look 'too healthy.' After tx #3, I was hit with fatigue later than I had been getting it, and I actually wore my turban one day instead of my wig to work because I wanted to remind people that yes, I am sick. And after tx #4, I slowed my gait down. Not faking anything, just adjusting my own pace to what my body is tolerating. I'm fortunate in that most of my coworkers are willing to listen when they ask "So how are you feeling," and I think they're understanding now that dealing with cancer is more than whacking off your breasts and getting some drugs that make you lose your hair.
I'm so glad to hear that most of you who started T seems to be taking it well. A number of women in the December group seemed to get hit pretty hard when they switched. I'm doing Taxotere along with A/C, so it's been one big cocktail all along. Overall, I'm hanging in there. Periods have stopped, hot flashes are the rage, skin is parched, and as I mentioned, I've had to adjust my pace greatly, but I'm still managing to get to work most days for at least a short shift. I may have had thrush after #4 but it was mild. Had tx #5 on Thursday, and so far I'm feeling okay for Day 3. No real aches from the Neulasta this time it seems. Got an rx for Ativan - resisted it for a while, but was tired of waking up every 2 hours. I've had increasing hand tingling, but it subsides after a few days. And my tastebuds are hanging in there, but I am getting used to my cravings. Hamburgers, definitely (which is good because I'm borderline anemic), plus anything yellow/orange/white/beige, like French Toast, mac and cheese...
Hoping everyone has a good weekend with minimal SE's.
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I seem to be on a totally different regimen than anyone else. In January, I started with 12 weekly treatments of Abraxane and Carboplatin. The SE haven't been too bad. Lost my hair after my onc said I would not loose it, only thin. Was not able to get treatment #8 last week due to low white count.
Has anyone taken the neupogin shots to boost your count? Anyone have any SE from those shots? -
Hi Seagrover - I get Neulasta, not Neupogen, so I'm not sure what different SEs there may be. Claritin seems to offset much of the aches from Neulasta. Good luck.
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Hi Everyone,
I woke up this morning to some pretty good aching bones and joints. I feel fine overall just ache like crazy in my neck, hips, and pelvis. Sometimes a shooting pain in my jaw. I know this is SE from Taxol but it is definitely better than A/C. I was still able to get out for a walk today. Anyone else achy from taxol yet?? Are you taking anything for it? Hope everyone is having aa good weekend!!
{{HUGS}}}
Brooke
Oh yeah. had to break out the eyebrow powder and pencil today. Woke up with 1/2 my left eyebrow gone. Just peachy!!
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rachel-glad you checked in-was wondering today about you!
margo
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For those with upcoming first Taxol treatments, I jist wanted to give you a heads up. I had my first one yesterday. Premeds (benedryl) literally made me feel like I was drunk, so I kinda welcomed that, in a weird kind of way. :-) I really kind of missed the point when the nurse started the Taxol, that's how spaced out I was. At some point she said, well, you seem to be doing well, I think we can turn the drip rate up to normal. I looked at her and asked "what". My husband grinned.... Oh, and I iced my feet and hands for about half the time (the nurse made awesome icebags with openings just for the tios of the fingers, after I could not "take" the extreme cold from the c"coldgloves") in an effort to avoid Peripheral neuropathy.
Slept well last night, and no nausea so far, just what I think are Hot Flashes. Wow!
I took some L-Glutemine powder (in water), which, some say, can help avoid neuropathy. We'll see. I also took a Claritin to help with the bone pain from Neulasta. Oh, and one Ativan last night, to help me go to sleep, but otherwise NO meds. Feeling better today than I have in the entire last month! yay!!!
Gentle hugs to all of you -
One more thing:
I am hoping someone can help me de-stress about this, as I am really worried about one number on my recent blood test. - For those of you who have also had Neulasta shots, would you please share your IIMMATURE GRANULOCYTES numbers with me!!! -
Sleepless. I'm looking at my blood report from last week when I was in the hospital for low blood counts. They don't give a number for 'normal range'. When I went in on 3\1 My Immature Grans were o.o. When I was released on 3\3 they were 12.8. It doesnt indicate that this number is either High or Low so it must be in normal range.
What the heck are they anyway?
Peggy
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i have the neulasta but i haven't seen my results of testing since then.....
please-what ARE immature granulocytes???
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My report doesn't list those, or if they do, I don't see the right abbreviation. I think the big ones they look at are wbc, rbc and neutrophils when it comes to Neulasta. I looked around and found on one site that neulasta/neupogen can cause some neutrophils to come out before they're mature (the neulasta kick starts them to get them up and out and on their way).
On a few other threads, we've talked about our blood work, and what we tend to hear from the nurses is that there may be fluctuations here and there on various things, but that's to be expected given what we're going through. If there's a result that is cause for alarm, they will not go ahead with chemo. I've gotten in the habit of looking at mine, more out of curiousity. If you have concerns, your best bet is to call your doctor and ask. I hope you get an answer.
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My onc. just informed me that they don't start Taxol and Herceptin on the same day. So that if you have a reaction they can know which drug caused it. So I have to go in Wed. and Thurs. Unless I take the bus which is an hour and 15 minute trip we have to take a cab which costs $25.00. I guess we are saving enough money by not having a car I can justify the cab. I really don't want to have to get up early enough to take a 6 AM bus.
Peggy
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Momof2inMe/Brooke - wondering if bone pain comes from Herceptin??? The first Taxol and when I had Herceptin I had bone pain - could barely walk a couple of days. #2Taxol no bone pain whatsoever. Hardly nothing. I went out and raked today and cleaned up a few flower beds with gloves and a mask on - LOL. Anyone know if Herceptin causes bone pain? I don't want to look it up, because if I do I become more susceptible to other SEs! Power of suggestion!
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denise-wasn't it just beautiful today in northern ohio!!!!!
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Thought I'd check in. I had a wonderful weekend! It was so nice since next weekend will be 'post AC # 4" and I doubt I'll feel so good. I had a long lunch with a friend on Saturday (including a Margarita). Then, out for ice cream in the evening with daughter #2 & granddaughter.
Today, daughter #1 and I took a long drive to the country so she could do something pet related. It was actually very pleasant and we had no difficult conversations.
I took the patio cushions out of storage and put them on the swing and chaise lounge on the covered patio and even took my bike out of the shed to get it tuned up.
I feel so normal I almost wonder if the chemo is killing anything (until I see my bald head). And I feel perhaps this was a blessing to replace the tremendous depression I was feeling and remind me life might be normal again.... Hopefully.
Thinking of all of you and wishing you a few days of feeling really good. It does renew the hope.
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HAIR: I buzzed the hair a few weeks ago and am used to it now. But that stubble hangs on. Now, I kinda wish I'd just gone real short and wait to buzz it all until it was really necessary. However, I do use a lint remover nightly and it always picks up stray stubble.
WIGS: I have three very nice and have been complimented but I hate wearing them. No matter how I adjust them, I feel like I have a rubber band around my head. I have become very comfortable taking off my wig (in the restaurant at lunch) to show others how I look. And anytime I'm driving or riding in the car, if it's uncomfortable and I'm not cold, I just go bald. Wonder if I'll become that brave going to work or a store or something. Don't think so. There's something invisible or anonymous about being in the car! (childlike, I know...sort of like the little kid hiding behind a skinny tree thinking you can't see her or something).
HALOS: These are those partial wigs that you wear under a baseball type cap. They look neat in the TLC catalog. Any of you have them? Do you like them?
VALUE ALL OF YOU: Last but not least, I can't begin to tell all of you how important your posts and your responses mean to me. I value the understanding and empathy from each of you. I am so thankful for this forum and computers! I care about each of you and hope this week is good to you!
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FLDREAMER: I ordered one of the TLC fringes. They come on an elastic band and it also has a velcro strip. It's really comfortable and makes such a difference to a scarf or hat!
I actually wore a scarf for the first time to work last Friday (with the fringe) instead of my wig and I still felt "professional" and I'm sure anyone who didn't know about my BC treatment would have just thought I liked scarves ;-)
Had a heart scan this afternoon to make sure the FEC didn't affect my heart and that I'm still ok to start Herceptin on Friday with the Taxol. The result looked good - still in the early 70's like before tx started.
The Herceptin is the only thing in this whole mess that I'm actually "looking forward to" because I know it makes such a difference to the prognosis for Her2+...
Jenn -
i have a halo but haven't worn it yet- i like my wig...am thinking the halo will be nicer when it gets warmer outside!
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Karen - so glad you had a wonderful weekend. I got the patio furniture out too and it really lifted my spirits. I have a halo too but don't wear it too often. I find it a little less comfortable than just having the wig on. The elastic band bothers me.
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