January 2012 chemo

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  • Gayle56
    Gayle56 Member Posts: 277
    edited March 2012

    Nancy    Was wondering what happened to you.  Sorry for those SE's.  I crave foods all the time now. I didn't even crave this much when I was pregnant.  Since this last tx nothing tastes good at all.  I have an awful taste in my mouth all the time.  Before this treatment I craved sweet things like apple sauce, grapes, and melon.  Yesterday I was craving ham - so who knows  what that means.

    AEM47  -  My WBC has stayed within normal levels throughout so far.  I didn't get the numbers, I was just happy when the nurse told me the blood work was fine and no shot. I looked online and it  says 4,500-10,000 white blood cells per microliter is the norm.  I would question the shot if your WBC is normal.  From these boards it seems like everyone is getting the shot no matter what their blood counts are.  I personally do not want to take anything more than I need to.

     Gayle

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited March 2012

    Here in Australia it doesn't seem to be standard to do the neulasta. My MO said they don't give it unless you run into trouble in that area between treatments. Since they also don't do nadir bloods between treatments I have no idea how high or low my counts have gotten...



    I sort of like the fact that they don't push everyone into using a drug they may not need.



    Two weeks out from my last FEC, and my hand/foot (left foot only) seems to have gone thank goodness. This is the week of the cycle when I get mouth ulcers (2 this time) and the haemorhoids (yes, arrived on schedule despite not being either constipated or the opposite). Those aren't too bad to handle so I'm actually feeling sort of ok.



    We are off up the coast this weekend to stay with and visit my cousin and her family. They live near the beach so am hoping for some nice walks along the shore.



    This is sort of a "last weekend" since next Friday afternoon I start the taxol/herceptin every Friday for 12 weeks - so weekends may not be good for a while...



    Sorry to hear about the bad SEs this time Nancy :-(. Gentle virtual hug...



    Jenn

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012

    Annie:  I'm sending you much love and light as you move forward in your treatment.  It's hard to believe doctors sometimes when they're "neutral" and what we need to hear is positivity.  I know you're hearing, "It's not working!!" but my first thought was, "It already got smaller, it's not getting any bigger, this must be a good sign!"  I know that doesn't help, really, I just wish it did.

    The next four treatments will feel so long, waiting to get through them to know the final outcome.  Keep breathing, and keep talking to us.  You are saying outloud what we all fear - that this won't work, that all that we're going through will be for naught, that nothing will change, that it won't go away (I can't even say the C word anymore, I'm so sick of it).  It's okay (and normal!) to have bad days, to feel less-than-positive, to panic and worry - my god, we're doing everything we can to beat this beast and no one will give us any guarantees!  It totally sucks and it's wrong and completely unfair.

    And I'll drive to Chicago and hug you, if it'll help - just say the word!!  

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012

    I wondered if I was the only one with "odd" cravings - like you, Gayle, even moreso than when I was pregnant!!  For the last three weeks it's been McDonald's Filet-o-Fish every. single. day.  OMG they have to be SOO bad for me, but I wake up tasting them and cannot sleep until I have one at some point.  And guacamole.  And crab.  Before this we were basically pescatarians (fish) but the meat cravings are almost overwhelming, I can't get through the day without serious protein.  My DH and MO have both told me to eat anything and everything my body is craving because there's a reason for it, so I am.  I used to rely more heavily on soy products for protein, but being ER+ means I'm trying to avoid it like the plague (which is so hard because I actually like tofu!)  I'm kinda hoping that once the AC is out of my system the cravings will stop, or at least slow down. 

    I know it's bad when I'm not even interested in sweets anymore - that's one change I'm hoping kinda sticks.  I eat ice cream pretty regularly, but I don't really enjoy it.  

    I feel like an addict, waiting desperately for 10:30 when McDonald's switches over from their breakfast to lunch menu and I can gun my truck through the drive-thru and beg for a fish sandwich.  

  • Kelloggs
    Kelloggs Member Posts: 965
    edited March 2012

    LOL Nancy - I have been craving hamburgers!  I have never been a burger eater but I want a cheeseburger every day for lunch!

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012

    Jenn - I'm so glad to hear your hand is healing, but sorry about the mouth sores and hemorrhoids.  I hope your weekend is wonderful, relaxing and beautiful!!  Enjoy your time away from all of this!  Are you moving into "fall" weather in Australia?  We're having an odd spring here - it was 68 degrees (20 C) yesterday, at a time when it's typically in the 30's, maybe 40's (0-4 C), and they're saying it's likely to continue on this trend for a while.  Spring may come almost two months early if we're lucky!

    I'll be thinking about you on Fridays as you move into the Herceptin treatments, and hoping that weekends will be good for you.

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012
    Kelly - You made my mouth water, thinking about a burger with gorgonzola and carmelized onions...oh snap, this is going to be a long day...  :-)
  • Lumpynme
    Lumpynme Member Posts: 747
    edited March 2012

    nancy; my craving is pizza! nurses say that's odd cuz so many avoid it...

    yesterday at meditation i decided that i needed pastries.....not a good thing! i understand that "stuck in the head" feeling when your body wants something but i'm not sure mc d's filet of fish would do it for me--maybe culver's cod sandwich! i do think mc d's lil chciken poppers (whatever they are called)  might qualify-seems that i want some "kick" tho i can't do real spicey! and i want pudding and yogurt..tho i don't have a sore throat!

    i guess i'm still in the wanting to eat everything in sight mode and i sure as heck hope that goes away after chemo! 

    curious as to what your new avatar is, nancy? cute!

    it was 60* at 730 this morning in northern ohio but it is now raining and the temps will be going down! i didn't realize taht we change clocks this weekend- wow- 

  • annie3310
    annie3310 Member Posts: 111
    edited March 2012

    Thanks, Nancy. You (and probably everyone else here) understand in a way non-BCers can't. I feel better today (up at 4 am and definitely steroid-buzzed). It's good to remember that the bad spells are temporary. Sometimes you just pray for midnight.

    I think I'll get a filet o fish today.

     Annie 

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012

    Lumpy - my avatar is my 6-year-old grand-daughter, hiding beneath a pile of leaves last fall.  All I could see were her eyes!  I decided I'm over my "half-bald" headed picture and wanted something more beautiful.  And we have a Culver's here, so maybe I'll have to try their sandwich (I tried the Wendy's one the other day and it was *horrible*).  I eat alot of jello and pudding these days just because my mouth is so sore and it's so smooth...

    Annie - There's something to be said for "letting it all out" in this forum.  I love my DH but there are so many things he cannot understand.  He tries, and I love him for that, but I can see that quizzical look on his face.  He wants me to "be" better so he tries to make me feel better.  I want to hug each and every one of you just so you know there's someone real out here - but I can't make any of the pain go away.  Let me sit with you while you're scared, and maybe that will help.

  • Momof2inME
    Momof2inME Member Posts: 683
    edited March 2012

    I had Taxol/Herceptin #1 of 12 yesterday. I got my steroids, anti-nausea, and benadryl IV then hooked me up to the BP & HR monitors. Started regular saline fluids and the Taxol, or so I thought. I got a burning in the back of my throat and then my chest started to feel tight and I couldn't breathe very well. Told my lovely oncology nurse as she instructed me to do if anything felt funny. She then tells me, "well honey I haven't even started the taxol yet, just your saline". Yup, I was having my first panic attack. Felt pretty dumb. After having such a horrific time with A/C, I completely worked myself into a tizzy.

    Nurse ran the drip slow and everything was fine. Herceptin went off without a hitch as well.  I did ice my fingers and toes (I looked pretty silly with frozen peas on my extremities but oh well). So we'll see how this goes. I feel completely normal today. No lethargy, nausea, no GI problems. So I am cautiously, and I mean cautiously, optimistic about SE's. Hope this helps anyone starting tomorrow or next week.

  • SleeplessIn
    SleeplessIn Member Posts: 114
    edited March 2012

    Thank you, Momof2inME, for posting that. Sounds like something that would happen to me. :-) Good thing it went well in the end, and that you had no allergic reaction! Hope you're side effects will be minimal. - Wonder if they (SE) will be cumulative, though. - Did you get a Neulasta shot, also? -



    I am having my first Taxol tomorrow, and am very anxious. It took me 12 days to "recover" from AC 4, and the bottoms of f my feet are still a little painful. Nothing like only 2 days ago, when I had a hard time wLking from the pain. Who said hand/foot-syndrome SE was rare?! dang!!!!

  • NCbeachgal
    NCbeachgal Member Posts: 181
    edited March 2012

    Sleepless-I had taxol/herceptin #1 of 4 on Tuesday. The infusion was long but no big deal. Yesterday I felt great! Today, the body aches have already started. This may sound weird but, I feel fine but I hurt all over. Just my body aches, not my stomach and not so much fatigue. Good luck to you tomorrow. I'll be thinking of you.

    Angie

  • Lumpynme
    Lumpynme Member Posts: 747
    edited March 2012

    nancy she is precious!!! thx for sharing her picture and your story!!!!!

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012

    Sounds like several of us are dealing with hand/foot syndrome, so I'm not buying the "rare" SE crap.  This fourth AC treatment was by far the hardest, SE-wise, but my spirits are lifted knowing I won't be going back for that Red Devil next week!

    Thanks, too, for sharing your stories about Taxol.  Momof2inME, I expect the same thing will happen to me; I'm already worked up about the potential for reaction and am terrified - and I still have a week to go (and worry about it).  You all are making this so much easier, really - I just have to get over *myself* now.  :-)

  • Janetanned
    Janetanned Member Posts: 532
    edited March 2012

    Nancy - Even if you have a reaction to taxol, it is so manageable.  The infusion nurse stays close by during the first few minutes.  They have on hand the necessary meds to stop a reaction etc.  Even though I was scared initially, once I saw how quickly everyone reacted to my minor reaction, I knew everything would be handled well.

    I don't want to jinx anything, but I feel I must report that 7 days post #1 taxol tx, I feel pretty good.  As NCbeachgal reports - muscle aches that come and go, some fatigue, but feeling okay.  If this is as bad as it gets, I'm happy!  I even have a cold brewing but am okay with it!

    Momof2inME- I think you can be somewhat optimistic.  I haven't had any GI problems at all with taxol.  I did feel some fatigue by day 3 and 4.  In fact I went to bed early everyday this week.  But it was a manageable fatigue.  My sleep has been pretty good too.

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2012

    Thanks, Janet.  I think it's that "fear of the unknown" that's the hardest with our first treatments.  And my biggest fear in the world is suffocation/drowning, so the thought of not being able to breathe sends me into a tizzy!  But I also realize that's not a given, just a possibility, so I am working on relaxing and not worrying about it until/unless it happens.

    Funny how much personal growth I am experiencing through all of this treatment...

  • JoyceNYC
    JoyceNYC Member Posts: 88
    edited March 2012

    I'm off this morning for CT #4 -- and there's still two more treatments after today's.  Congrats to those who finished their AC and have moved on to Taxol.  Praying for minimal SEs for us all.

  • Kitchenella
    Kitchenella Member Posts: 279
    edited March 2012

    Jenn I'm following you like a hawk.  I'm supposed to start TX/Her next Thursday.  I have been on two very strong antibiotics since my 'crash' last week and I can't seem to get my strength back.  I can fall sound asleep anytime and still sleep all night. Since side effects for both antibiotics say fatigue I'm hoping that is all it is.

      Two of my daughters are coming to visit in 2 weeks and I really want to be able to do stuff with them.

    PEggy 

  • DianeNMil
    DianeNMil Member Posts: 130
    edited March 2012

    Nancy-  I am sorrry you are feeling so terrible but at least the ac beast is behind you!! Hope you do much better on taxol.

    Annie  Congrats on your last AC!!!  You are certainly not alone in your worrying about the future.  I am sure we all ALL  right there with you.  We all have to try to just focus on the beast of a treatment we are going through and getting through it!!  Hugs to you...I feel your pain!

    After 5 weekly treament of taxol I was switched to abraxane (which is basically taxol without the synthetic stabilizer) because of an allergic reaction.  The strangest thing about both drugs is some weeks I have sailed through and other weeks I have crawled through!!!  This is a crawling week.  First I thought I just overextended myself (went to NYC for a couple day and did museum and restaurant and pro conference).  Since I have been back I have been exhausted (the last 5 days)  Saw my onc yesterday and she said I could skip next week if I feel this horrible (refered to as profound exhaustion).   don't want to skip....I want to get through what was planned!!!

    Also, thought I was off the hook with hair!!  I am 8 treatment in and only now starting to lose my hair.

    this sucks

  • PCBarbie66
    PCBarbie66 Member Posts: 84
    edited March 2012

    #2 Taxol yesterday and so far so good. The nurse saw in my chart that I had restless leg syndrome and she switched the Benedryl drip out with a different drug and I can not remember the name of the drug~sorry~I asked and they told me twice and I still can't bring up the name...but I had NO issues with this one. Still ate 2 PB&J sandwiches and Potato chips like last time. Gave my husband the day off and brought my Cancer Buddy survivor with me, she got to see someone sitting in the Chemo chair for the first time and be the Care Giver. Must have felt a little weird, but I was so Mello after we were done to remember to ask, her. She had made me a huge Pork Chop dinner with Groton Potatoes for tonight and this weekend. I stayed home and rested all weekend on the 1st Taxol with Flu LIKE symptoms, hopefully they won't be so bad this time....and the Hot flashes...they suck the worst, during the day and all night. Does anyone else's temperature go from 97.3 to 99.6 along with the flashes?? Rarely stops at 98.6..up down, up down. I now have piles of hats by the bed, so I can fling them across the room all night...my dog likes that she cleans them all up and then I retrieve them in the morning. I can now only sleep by taking an Atavan...but I can sleep, it must do some regulating of the my core temperature, just before I pass out...I notice I am NOT flashing anymore...no drug no sleep, I have been so good with the drugs, especially after reading a comment on one of the boards here "Take whatever you need to get thru this, and then we'll Detox together later'' I want to go on with my life not spend time in a Detox and rehab after this!! So I have kept the drugs at a minimal....Stopped the Lyica the moment the lightening bolts stopped running down my arms as well. I hate drugs like a lot of you do, I still has a lot left over from the surgery.

    Sorry for the ramble.....I am going to see the boys this morning, get out before "and if" the flu like bug hits. Yes, Taxol is way easier then the AC...I'm just getting fed up with "The constant "NO answer" responses to my questions.
    Be good all, and prayesr to everyone for easy Tx today and no SE's!!

  • DianeNMil
    DianeNMil Member Posts: 130
    edited March 2012

    Jenn - Have a wonderful weekend!  Walks on the shore sound fabulous!!

    Peggy - hugs to you to feel better!  Hope you have a better time on taxol and get to enjoy the time with your daughters!!

  • BelaT
    BelaT Member Posts: 217
    edited March 2012

    Nancy, Annie,Jane,Lumpy,Dianne,PCbarbie,

    all of you are so inspiring. I am so tired of this cancer that I can't even write here. I get so emotional and start crying. Why so many of us?

    Hugs to you all and hope all of you feel better.

    If didnt write names doesnt mean I dont think of you just so emotional

    Bela 

  • Kelloggs
    Kelloggs Member Posts: 965
    edited March 2012

    PCBarbie - I know what you mean about the hot flashes.  I am on TCH and I fling the hats off and on all night.  I can't sleep without my Ativan and even then it's not a given.  It really sucks when you are fatigued from chemo and you can't even get a good night's sleep!

  • PCBarbie66
    PCBarbie66 Member Posts: 84
    edited March 2012

    Kelly - You made my day!!!  and I',m so sorry for you that you did....I hate being drug dependant, and I swear I'm sooo tired I don't need the Atavan...until my husband says "It's 4 in the morning, you sure you don't want a pill?  This week I have tried sleeping in my summer sleepwear and a thin blanket with extra blankets ready when the chills come, been working a little better.

    have never wanted or desired any sympathy and know I find myself craving it some times...I HATE myself for that, and I can't stop the words that spill out of my mouth..other times I'm biting on my tongue or turning away from people so they can't see what's in my eyes...like they would see past my haggard, grey looking, puffy face to my washed out watery eyes!!! 

    I saw a report on TV yesterday for women in menopause (I'm pre menopause, but the chemo has put me on hold for now for over a month) that have Hot flashes take Estrogen Pills...one of the things that my Cancer grows with!!  No relief coming from that avenue...UGH

    Today - Grumpy Barb...

  • PCBarbie66
    PCBarbie66 Member Posts: 84
    edited March 2012

    Thanx Bela

    But I even cry watching American Idol now,  wimpy me out!

  • annie3310
    annie3310 Member Posts: 111
    edited March 2012

    I'm somehow relieved when I read about the sleep problems others are having. Despite feeling tired all day I simply can't nap - I've never been able to and apparently chemotherapy isn't going to change that. I'm on steroids now after my last AC, so sleep is even more challenging. 

    I can't remember reading or hearing whether at-home steroids are given for Taxol. Can anyone tell me? That would make Taxol so much better in itself.

    Thanks - and a SE free Friday to everyone.

    Annie 

  • NCbeachgal
    NCbeachgal Member Posts: 181
    edited March 2012

    Annie-my MO has me taking an 8 mg decadron the night before and the day of my Taxol infusion. I've read other posts where this is not the case. In my case, steroids aren't prescribed for after the infusion. The night before my Taxol was pretty well sleepless and the only reason I napped during Taxol was because of the benedryl and I crashed for a couple hours when I got home. The day after Taxol, I felt great, energetic! When it comes to sleep, it's sporadic throughout the night. Last night I had to take half a Xanax at 3 am.

  • Kelloggs
    Kelloggs Member Posts: 965
    edited March 2012

    Annie - I am on Taxotere which is the same family as Taxol.  I take 8mg dexamethasone the day before, 8mg the day of and 8mg the day after.  I also have 10 mg pre-infusion.  My worst side effect is I feel jittery and my mouth won't stop!  Poor DH!

  • Momof2inME
    Momof2inME Member Posts: 683
    edited March 2012

    Annie,

    I just had my 1st Taxol this week. I only had steroids right before infusion (20mg) IV. None to take at home. I was up almost all night the day of infusion but I felt okay. I think the steroids vary from person to person and what each MO prescribes. I'm thrilled I don't have to take any at home as I hate the way they make me feel and intrude on my sleep.

    Good luck!!

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