Metformin and Breast Cancer

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  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited March 2012

    Heather - I don't know the answer to your question.  For me, it was intestinal and lasted for a couple of weeks.  If it's tummy bloat, then I'd say it could be the met. 

  • AlaskaAngel
    AlaskaAngel Member Posts: 1,836
    edited March 2012

    I hope they will learn from doing the tumor markers, and that the markers will support the theory by Dr. Lisanti about cancer cell death from metformin. We will see.

    I am "too far out from treatment" to be in any of the studies but am taking it off-label thru my PCP and an endocrinologist's Rx, and am taking a much lower dose. But the gas is from the metformin.

    A.A.

  • Chocolaterocks
    Chocolaterocks Member Posts: 364
    edited March 2012

    Heather

    I used to have problems with when I take Metformin for example - I don't take it 1st thing in the am because I want something in my stomach. 2nd- if I have coffee to function  - I don't take either..Messed up on thanksgiving day and I was sick..... to much eating. So I take same dose as you- take 1st pill with lunch ( lunch - is a normal but not heavy meal) and take 2nd pill with  juice or milk an hour or so after dinner. I have found that I have no problems this way. hope this helps.

    Chocolate

  • Chris_Meck
    Chris_Meck Member Posts: 9
    edited March 2012

    just an update ladies-

     We're three weeks out from another round of scans, but our ONC estimates that my wife's cancer is 95% gone as compared to the first of January. My wife's cancer is IBC, and thus is and has always been very skin oriented; as of the first of the year, it had crawled across her chest and up her neck and was literally choking her. It had spread all the way across her chest and up her neck-even wrapping around her left side and crawling up her back. It seemed like it was making a beeline for her brain.Its now retreated all the way back to the original place on the left side of her chest. It's gone from her neck and throat as well as the other side of her chest. Everywhere that used to be hard, purple mass is now soft, pink, healing skin. All that is left is a small open wound that she's had for over a year-and that is about 50% smaller, with a ring of healthy pink skin widening around it daily.

    I don't know that the scans are going to say 95%; I think maybe he's a little over optimistic, but I do expect that the scans will be very good and that we'll be a lot closer to cancer free than not. 

    She is still on Carboplatin/Gemzar+Herceptin as well, and this is the fourth cycle there...man, it's really getting rough on her side effects-wise. There's definitely a toxicity buildup and she gets really sick for several days after each treatment. Doc figures this will be the last cycle of this and we'll move to a more targeted therapy that we can expect to tolerate for the foreseeable future, like Tykerb+Herceptin with Metformin.

     Just wanted you to know. I read through some of the posts since I was last here-and no, you don't need to be overweight for it to work, Abby's about 5'8" and 140 lbs and taking 1500mg a day (two 750 slow release tabs, one in the am, one at night) and with almost no side effects to speak of at this point.She's certainly not early stages either, as December 28th she was given 'maybe a few months' to live. She's technically not stage IV I guess, as there's no distant metastisis but it had attached to her sternum and invaded the soft tissue in her throat as well as many, many lymph nodes.

    I would recommend that anyone who's not responding well to traditional chemo add this and see what happens. It won't hurt, and it really seems to work with chemo-even previously unsuccessful chemo. Just as an example, Abby had Carboplatin in December of 08 and they discontinued it after two cycles as it wasn't working.  Herceptin had allowed the cancer to come back after surgery, so it clearly no longer worked. Now they're working better than anyone could imagine.

    On a side note-I have a friend who's father has colon cancer. I remembered reading some preclinical test stuff on it and told my friend that his dad ought to look into Metformin. It turned out, his dad is diabetic and they'd already put him on it. Three rounds of chemo and his scans came back clean.

    There's something going on here.

    Wishing you all well!

    Chris Meck

  • MiniMacsMom
    MiniMacsMom Member Posts: 595
    edited March 2012

    Chris, big congrats for you and abby. Wishing you guys continued success with your treatment.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited March 2012

    Chris:  I was thinking about you and abby, and praying for good news!  I've told your story to so many people, and I am so happy that abby is progressing well.  You had absolutely nothing to lose by trying this innovative treatment and look where it took you.  I only wish more doctors and patients would become outside the box thinkers...I think we could save so many more lives.

    My prayers and heartfelt wishes to you both...please keep us posted. 

  • meirav
    meirav Member Posts: 33
    edited March 2012

    Hi,

     Does anyone know whether metformin and evrolimus+femara produce the

    same good results as the chemo+metformin combination?

     Evrolimus has elevated my mom's cholesterol and sugar levels(and shrunk her liver mets by 60%) , so this might be a good chance to start metformin and beat the hell out of cancer(hopefully for a long time)

  • susanwmcg
    susanwmcg Member Posts: 76
    edited March 2012

    I find out tomorrow if I can do a Metformin study. It is a blind study so I may get the placebo. But the drug needs to be studied so they know for sure if it works. My MO wouldn't prescribe it for me but suggested participating. I will post name of trial when I find out.

    Susan

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited March 2012

    Susan:  Good for you.  I would be willing to do the same.  I think there is a trial going on in my area as well.

  • Chris_Meck
    Chris_Meck Member Posts: 9
    edited March 2012

    As an aside,

    our oncologist is putting other women on chemo+metformin now; I've been contacted by a few. I hope it works as well for them as it has for us.

  • Patriotic
    Patriotic Member Posts: 281
    edited April 2012

    Hi everyone,



    Thanks for all the great info. I started the clinical trial last month. I believe I am getting the drug (otherwise, I planned to quit the trial and get my PCP to prescribe it). I had mild nausea a few times during the first few weeks. But, it seems most suffer with diarrhea/gas/bloating on Metformin. I seem to have constipation. I am not diabetic but am slightly overweight. What SE's have you experienced? Has anyone tested their blood sugar to try to determine if you are getting the drug?

  • Terry71
    Terry71 Member Posts: 293
    edited April 2012

    I was started on this MA.32 Study in Sudbury Ontario Canada started my metformin this morning.... Onco said I was a candidate and said I was good to go on the study so here I am for 5 years.... Got the ALL clear from medical Onc and Rads Onc yesterday.... See you in November :-)  I was so happy to hear those words woohooo

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2012

    I enrolled in the MA.32 Study in Ontario this morning.

    Got an all-clear at my 3-month follow-up with my MO this morning.  I asked her about low-dose aspirin: she's not officially supporting a low-dose aspirin regimen because she says that there isn't enough solid, clinical data to support that it aids in preventing breast cancer recurrence, but she said that the scientific theory behind it is relatively sound and taking it would "... not hurt ..." anything.  She's excited about the Metformin trial; she says that it looks very promising.

    Since it's a double-blind, randomized study, I won't know if I'm getting active drug or placebo, but participating is such a great way to "... pay it forward ..."   Also, it's a win-win situation: I've already had the "gold standard" of treatment and my recurrence risk is low.  I have nothing to lose even if I get randomized to the placebo group and everything to gain if I get randomized to the active drug group.

  • hollyann
    hollyann Member Posts: 2,992
    edited May 2012

    Well, it makes sense to me....I heard or read somewhere about a link between sugar and cancer......I have been on metformin for the last 3 years...I am Type 2......I take 1000 (one thousand) MG twice a day........I started on 500 once a day.......I hope all this comes about and we can finally find something that will help us get a cure......But I have a feeling if it does, the price of Metformin will skyrocket.......

  • fujiimama
    fujiimama Member Posts: 800
    edited May 2012

    This is so cool! I'm pre-diabetic and had asked my onc nurse about taking metformin for that. She gave me a big grin and told me to see my PCP asap! I did and the next time I saw my onc I told him I was taking it. He too smiled big and said it was an excellent idea. I take 500 at night with dinner. My sister the pharm. recommended dinner, because we tend to eat stomach coaters at dinner (bread, pasta etc.)

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited May 2012
    You said :  "I've been taking Metformin for 10 years, "

    Well, this is a tad discouraging, and I'm sure there are many (other) diabetics who have taken it for yrs and yet, still developed BC.  Undecided
  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    fujiimama:  It would be good if all doc's were this open about trying new things.  When I mentioned Metformin to my MO he said you are not diabetic and overweight so I wouldn't prescribe it.  He didn't want to see the articles on clinical trials...hard headed!

  • healthtalk
    healthtalk Member Posts: 1
    edited May 2012

    Incredible story! Thank you for posting this. It gives me the hope I need. If my doctors don't agree, my naturopathic doctor has told me he can prescribe metformin. I don't think it'll hurt to try it.

  • Romansma
    Romansma Member Posts: 1,515
    edited May 2012

    I read all the studies and got excited. I had gestational diabetes with each pregnancy, and my last, 7 years ago, I had to take insulin injections until my son's birth. I sent info to my Onc and she was excited about the studies too, but didn't want to prescribe off label. However she did send a not over to my regular doc and my regular doc had no trouble prescribing it. I am on 500mg 2x per day and will increase at my next appt. Only SE so far has been bloating and feeling very fatigued in the late afternoon.



    Chris, I really enjoyed hearing about your wife. She is very lucky to have you.....good job on finding the information and making it happen! I hope she has continued success for a very long time! Keep posting to let us know how she's doing!

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2012

    I like the fact that Metformin is, already, a well-documented- and well-established drug that is not toxic and doesn't have any dangerous, life-threatening side effects, and just happens to - maybe - have this "new" unexpected benefit for something completely unrelated to why it was developed.  I don't think I would have as readily joined the clinical trial if it was for a completely new, experimental drug about which little was known with regards to human response and long-term effects ... But that's just me.

  • crosa454
    crosa454 Member Posts: 1
    edited May 2012

    I just wanted to share my experience being that I do not have diabetes, but I am taking Metformin because my Gynecologist diagnosed me with PCOS (Polycystic Ovary Syndrome). Simply put, I produce too much insulin in my ovaries causing a lack of period and pregnancy being nearly impossible without this drug. I take 850mg a day, which I'm actually supposed to take two pills a day, but one side effect I have is extreme fatigue, so for now I stick with one a day. I believe that the extreme fatigue in my case comes from not having diabetes and taking this medicine that balances hormones and sugar levels may possibly lower the sugar in my body a little too much. I'm 25 years old, being used to a certain caffeine intake to taking this medicine that is controlling it is a huge adjustment. I also had diarrhea about 3-5 times after taking the pill within a 3-hour time frame when I first started it. This simply was the detox part, the initial "sugar release". Now that my body is used to the medicine, I don't feel any different, besides the tiredness. After reading this article, I do hope that everyone looks more into this, YOU have to be your own doctor. They call it a "practice" for a reason. Love, Christina!

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    I would love to be on metformin, but my MO will have nothing to do with it!  When I get to NC to our summer home, I am going to ask my PCP about it.  She is a little more open to innovative methods of treatment.  I don't see how it could hurt since it has very few SE's.

  • Nicole4
    Nicole4 Member Posts: 104
    edited February 2015

    I am to start metformin next week for a clinical trial.  I am really confused and I am running out of time to decide, I have to do it this weekend.  I spoke to my RO today about it and he told me to take time to consider the risks.  He mentioned that cliinical trials in the past have caused patients to pass, he said that scientifically it makes sense, but is it for everyone?  that is the question.  Do certain variables make a difference, like tamoxifen, herceptin, etc.  I was really excited about it prior to this discussion.  I would love to hear some opinions, am I looking a gift horse in the mouth?

    My plan was to find a doctor to prescribe this to me, rather than partake in the trial if it is a 50/50 that it may be placebo.  RO said that I would have to be monitored very closely with my blood sugar levels.  He said it could be damaging to organs kidney etc.

    I have done chemo, radiation, tamoxifen, herceptin until November 2012, right mastectomy, March 2012, left mastectomy sch for October with immeidate TE's on both sides. 

    I have three rads to go, I am not sure if I should just put this behind me and go shopping.

  • ozzieme
    ozzieme Member Posts: 5
    edited May 2012

    I went to my doctor and showed him heaps of information on using metformin as part of my treatment as I have high blood sugars anyway, he said no then I went to my onc and asked him he said no its not part of any treatment protocol he knows of. so for the past 3 months I have been ordering generic metformin (glucophage) for a no rx pharmacy so I didnt need a script as I could not get one. I just use a glucose meter to make sure my level stays ok. I dont know if I can post a link to bestonlinedrugs.info who I perchase it from but its http://www.bestonlinedrugs.info/prescriptions/glucophage  if there is a problem please remove the link thanks. 

    I am going back for some more scans in a few weeks lets see how it goes I aM Feeling better I will post more information when I get my scans back.

  • AnnE16
    AnnE16 Member Posts: 241
    edited May 2012

    Chris,

    I think you are spot on with your comment about there not being a lot of money in Metformin!  What would our doctors do without us if no one had cancer!?  I am Stage 4 and will definitely look into this.  I am not diabetic but I have high blood sugars.  I was on the verge of gestational diabetes or probably did have it during pregnancy.  I still have high blood sugars as of a couple weeks ago.  I think this could really be part of my treatment! 

    I just need to convince my oncologist who has the biggest ego ever!!!  I can barely fit in the exam room it is so big!

    And congrats to you and your wife Chris!  Your wife's story and success should have every doctor in that office writing Metformin for their cancer patients!  Amazing!

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    It's very sad that a lot of the low cost drugs and supplements that could benefit bc will never see the light of day because there is no profit in them for the drug companies or for the doctors prescribing.  Too bad we have become such a greedy society.  I will continue to do my own research and stay on top of my health care.  I cannot rely totally on my doctors to look after my best interests.

  • AnnE16
    AnnE16 Member Posts: 241
    edited May 2012

    I was so inspired by this post last night that I could not fall asleep until 2 AM!  Uuuggh!  I feel so tired today but can't wait to ask a doctor about this!  Kaara, completely agree that you can't rely on doctors to totally look after your best interest.  I think they are so inundated with people having cancer (you know there is a problem in this nation when I can't find a parking spot at the cancer treatment center or the lab room!) adn frankly I think they are almost robotic and just follow "the standard care".  No thinking outside the box with most of these doctors!

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited May 2012
  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited May 2012

    Smiley

    You just might qualify for the trial link I posted.

    If not, or if your DR wont give this to you, and endocrinologist might.

    Good luck.

  • AnnE16
    AnnE16 Member Posts: 241
    edited May 2012

    THanks for the link purple 32 but I don't think I technically would qualify b/c it looks like it is for early stage cancer and you can't be in the trial if you are metastic?  I will probably have to find an endocronologist.  My oncologist is by the book and God forbid....I would bring something to him that he is unaware of b/c I would insult his major f****** ego!!!! 

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