Teen Daughter thinks I am lazy
Hi All,
I am a stage 1 survivor. Has unilateral mastectomy about 1.5 years ago for multfocal stage 1 ILC with DCIS. I have been tired and having different types of joint pain on and off over the past year. None the less, I work 60 hours a week, and have maintained life as closely to what it was before BC. Some days I am pooped when I get home from work, somedays my joints ache and i am walking in pain.
None the less, I know I am lucky, and I know this can pass over time. I am ok with being cancer free and a little achy.
My 16 year old daughter basically told me that my laziness, my bad food, my aches and pains are a problem because it is preventing her from getting what she wants when she wants it. That she is late getting a prom dress because I am sitting on my butt, and shes tired of hearing about my aches and pains..what about her issues, and that she needs shampoo and wants a car!
My daughter is selfish, always has been. But to go this far has boggled my mind. What do I do with her? How do I handle this? The child is not deprived in anyway, but she wants more and more. She wants me to go back to the energy level before BC, I do too, but for different reasons.
I wont take offense, how should I handle this? I am broken over her words. I would think she would be thankful I am ok.
Lola
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Is it possible that your daughter may have a borderline or type II axis issue? This sounds like my daughter who has this diagnoises.
You don't mention her dad - where is he? Can he deal with her or take her?
My standard response to my daughter when she pulls this crap is
"I have BC. This is a side effect. Do you want me to tell (insert boyfriends, BFF, etc) about your behavior towards me?"
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"there is the door, don't let it hit you in the a$$ when you leave, if this is how you treat me, you will not be here longer"
And follow through. This is not normal behavior for teens, most who I know bend over backwards to help someone.
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Oh yes.....the dreaded teenager years and especially with girls. Just put your hand up and say "talk to the hand" and ignore her when she is being whiney and ridiculous, selfish, angry, or whatever. If she can't talk to you with respect then put her on ignore until she does.
Unfortunately I have seen and heard more than my share of rotten teenagers. I say rotten because they are totally disrespectful towards adults regardless it if is their parent, teacher, coach, police officer, etc. They know everything and nobody can tell them what to do.
I know - I have 2 of them but in my case a little bit worse because they are stepchildren so they of course are going out of their way to show me they don't have to be respectful.
In any case, I typically ignore and disengage. Their moods change hour to hour or from one day to the next.
I have become more understanding since I am menopausal. I about chomp my dh's head off for no valid reason other than my hormones are raging and I don't recognize myself doing this until after the fact. So if I can do this unintentionally being menopausal - I am going to cut the kids some slack if it is because their hormones are going wacky at the moment.
You take care of yourself!!! You don't owe her anything at all other than food IN THE HOUSE and a roof over her head. She is 16 - she can freaking cook for herself if she doesn't like how you cook. Provide the food in the refrigerator and in the pantry and you are good to go.
Believe me - trying to make nice with them when they are in that kind of mood just empowers them even more and pretty soon they will act rotten on purpose.
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I wouldn't let the "wants" of a 16 year old phase me too much. She is going to push until you draw the line. If she has two hands, she can cook for herself. A car? That's something she can earn by showing some responsibility and maturity.
My house was like a war zone as I went thru' the teen years with two boy hellions. All I can say is don't get into a war of words (it's pointless) but do stand your ground. As the hormones settle and they get college and/or work experiences, they usually turn into nice people again.
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Key phrase: "she's never been deprived of anything".
That's why she expects the world to revolve around her and appreciates nothing. Has she ever had a job? Worked to earn anything? It's late for her to learn but maybe not to late.
I wish you peace and quiet and a daughter who wakes up to the reality of making her own way in life. -
Just my 2 cents. That does sound pretty awful but maybe she is asking for more of your attention? U mentioned that you work 60 hours a week which is 20 mo re the 'regular'hours and when you get home you are probably pooped. Maybe she feels neglected - not materially but with your time and attention.
I hear you with the achy pains - it is hell. I've been using a cane this past week...somedays i can't believe im just 32. -
"Anytime you're not happy with dinner, the status of the house the amount of money etc, feel free to make/do it yourself" Was my line. Also, "No, you don't have to clean your room, but I don't have to buy you Abercrobie and Fitch either. Here, wear my stuff from Target. I'm only responsible for providing food, shelter and love. Anything beyond, more expensive than that is a bonus" (Also, if I ever catch you sneaking out the window at night I will change the password on the security system so fast it will make your head spin, so don't think about it. " Errrr, I might have done that a few times. It's the nature of being a teen. She will grow out of it. My daughter used to think that I was so dumb that it was amazing that I found my way home from work every day. Now she went into the same profession as me and we are close. It's life's way of making sure that we aren't heartbroken when they fly the nest. PS. They'll be baaaaaaaaackkkkkkk! :O
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This sounds like the typical self absorbed behavior of a spoiled 16 year old teenager. She doesn't have a clue what you are going through and doesn't want to know. In a few years she will be so ashamed that she acted that way, but now it's all about her. I can see my DGD behaving the same way!
Let her know that her behavior is intolerable and you won't allow it to continue. When she starts, I would take a time out..go to my room...and not come out until she has calmed down. When she can no longer get a rise from you she will get bored with her behavior and give it up.
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She is 15, can she work after school or on weekends and save for the dress, also she can help with cooking. You can feel guilty for not feeling well. What I did when I got my diagnosis ages ago, American Cancer Society sent a letter one to my son and another to my son that were teens explaining how I would feel.
Do not argue with her, like the other lady said,"talk to the hand".
I suffer of fobromalgya, PMR and degenerative arthritis, and if my kids were not adults ,they would have to live with a mom that is tired and in pain constantly, I do admire that you work 60hrs.
I am working less hours and only because my doctor tells me is good for me.
Also have your doctors run tests and see if you have arthritis.
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lola12
I agree with all of ladies. My daughter went through that phase. You could try this though. Tell your daughter that she gets to be "Mom" for a month. Challenge her to do everything you do but SHE has to do better. Give her a budget, a list of chores that you do everyday, etc.... The only difference would be that she doesn't have cancer. See how long it takes for her to fill your shoes. They usually don't last long.
Blessings to you and I hope you find peace.
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Lola - being horrible to my mom at that age is one of my biggest regrets in life. She was working 3 jobs and was sleeping on the couch. I dropped her purse on her stomach to wake her and told her it was time to take me somewhere. That was 27 years ago and it is so vivid in my memory. I was a very kind compassionate kid, but I was very ugly for a few years. My parents did divorce around that time and I was struggling to belong somewhere. My mom and I talk about it, she says she forgives me of course - but I was a complete selfish brat.
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16... that pretty much says it all :-)
I'm with all the other women giving good advice above:
- talk to the hand
- you want more worldly goods over and above the food, shelter, love? Go get a part-time job.
- you don't like my food schedule? Too bad, at least you are getting food, unlike people in other parts of the world.
As for the prom dress... It's true that they need to be "got" early, but it's common for mom's with only one girl (or for the oldest) to not know that. Don't beat yourself up about it. Just point out to your daughter that she's the oldest/only and therefore gets to be the one experimented on. Sucks to be the only/oldest sometimes but too bad!
Jenn :-) -
How do you handle it? Any way you want that does not include letting her put you on any kind of guilt trip or manipulating you.
Teenage girls can be grand drama queens and totally self centered. So mostly you just try not to let your feelings get hurt ... ignore a lot of it ... but at the same time let them know there is a line of disrespect they best not cross or there will be penalties. She doesn't get more for talking trash to you ... she gets less. She'll figure it out.
I think jancie has it right. It's partly a raging hormone thing ... PMS on steriods.
Eventually they grow up and turn out to be lovely people who call and ask your advice even.
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Lola, sorry you are dealing with this. I'm sure you must be overwhelmed, frustrated and at the end of your rope. Teenagers can be very self centered at the best of times. They have hormonal challenges, peer pressure, stress at trying to find where they belong etc.. It's almost like they are in a spinning funnel and sometimes they just need someone to push the stop button. It may be difficult to set boundaries because you are coming to terms with your dx and working a lot of hours which must be exhausting. Sometimes it feels easier to just give in and let kids get away with stuff rather than spend the time and energy being firm and standing your ground. Unfortunately, giving in just prolongs the situation and the problem is still there the next day. You asked for advice so I would say..set boundaries and stick to them. Don't allow disrespect. Give her responsibilities and consequences if she doesn't do what is expected. I know you are tired but try to find the energy and conviction to set her straight. It will pay off in a short time whereas doing the same old thing will give you the same result you are getting now. Try to muster the energy and fortitude because it will pay off for both of yiu. Short term pain for long term gain.
Best wishes
Beth -
PS - I have 2 girls - 20 and 19 (birthday today). My oldest and I used to have the occasional yell at each other. My hubbie just couldn't understand it. We both used to tell him to not worry, just let us yell - it's a girl hormone thing :-) They are now both able to sometimes pull themselves away from thinking only about themselves...
I have a 16yr old son - he is so much help around the house etc, but I just wish he'd talk sometime ;-)
Jenn -
I have three lovely and very mouthy teenagers at home. I have a plaque on my wall that I point to often. It says NOTICE TEENAGERS If you are tired of being hassled by UNREASONABLE PARENTS Now it the time for ACTION! Leave home and pay your own way while you still KNOW EVERYTHING.
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I think it's also ok to acknowledge her feelings, especially around the BC. Instead of focusing on her position, find out what her real issues are. Share with her what your issues are as well. Separate the person from the problem. This is an opportunity to strengthen relationships.
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Teenagers....UGH!
I actually went to see a counsellor....my teens would stress me out so much (I have a girl and a boy). He recommended a few things and also this book:
"Get Out of My Life! But first could you drive me and Cheryl to the mall?" by Anthony E. Wolf PhD
It's pretty basic, but helpful and funny too.
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marjie:
My husband and I loved that book. We still recommend it to parents and our kids are all over 25.
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I had written a rather lengthy post about what I would do, but decided I don't have a daughter (2 sons) so I shouldn't give advice but certainly some things are the same. Disrespect to a parent shouldn't be gender-specific or tolerated. She can buy her own dam car.
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tedwilliams - yes, it's a great book and I really enjoy following the advice in it and seeing exactly the reaction that the author predicts!
gracie1 - teen boys and girls are both a handful although in completely different ways. Girls can be horribly hurtful and mean....you're right, disrespect should not be tolerated.
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I won't repeat some of the good advice others ahead of me here have posted re. setting boundaries and defining consequences. I thought I would just throw in, however, that your daughter may be very scared by your BC and at this age, it is far for her to express anger/dissatisfaction with you than how vulnerable all of this may have caused her to feel. This does not excuse her behavior, but just adds another dimension to the "mouthy teenager" explanation.
My SIL was dx'ed with stage 4 BC at the age of 40 when her daughter was 15. The daughter went through a rather lengthy period of making excessive demands on her mother just at the point when my SIL was going thru chemo and recovering from an Mx. She was intolerant with her mother's need to slow down during a special mother-daughter trip to Europe the following year. At this age, even under the very best of circumstances, it is hard for them to be empathic and to understand how their behavior affects others. It is more comfortable to be snarky than to express just how terrified she may feel about her mother's brush with a serious illness.
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I can remember being so sick from chemo...just lying in bed feeling awful, and my teenage son standing there being angry at me because I wouldn't let him have a friend sleep over, or because I wouldn't drive him somewhere....so, I kind of agree with momoschki...I'm sure he was not having an easy time of it, and perhaps that was how he coped.
Sure didn't make it any easier!!
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I must say that now my daughters who are both thirty something, are among my best friends. That was not the case when they were fifteen. I had four younger kids and the girls did a lot but not without complaining about everything. Oh and I was the worst mother in the world, at least according to them, at that time. It is the nature of being a fifteen year old girl, spoiled or not, with a mother with cancer or not. They are awful. I went somewhere every Saturday to get away from the whing and crying and screamuing. It was awful, but like I said before, we are now really good friends. The only way I could live through it with my sanity intact was to leave when it got really bad. I either went to my room or left the house. Please do not take what she says personally.It is a hormone thing. some people really enjoy their teenage daughters, not me.
It got better when they went to college and saw I was not as bad as some moms. Now they have kids and they understand a lot more.
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Posted by my 26 year old niece on her FB page today ...
And this is a girl who was more horrible to her Mom from the ages of about 13 to 20 than I would have tolerated. Nice to everybody else ... but her parents could do nothing right in her view and she told them about it every chance she got.
Just intended to give those of you dealing with teenagers now some hope.
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Okay I'm sure you have talked to your daughter all about your diagnosis, but have you tried talking to her about all of this recently? She needs honesty about how you really feel and how you just can't give into her demands right now.
Five years ago I was a sixteen-year-old, and though my mom wasn't sick at the time, there were still some issues related to how much she worked and my own priorities in life. When she was flat-out honest with me (such as "You care too much about going to parties and prom and haven't even thought about your college essays. If you don't start shaping up then I have no reason to pay for university.") I actually paid attention. Yes, maybe that particular example was more of a "threat" but it worked. It wasn't that I really thought she wouldn't pay for my education, it's that I realized she was right that my priorities for ME were screwed up at the time.
If my mom hadn't said a thing and kept her mouth shut, things might not have changed and I could be at a shitty university. But she didn't let it slide by anymore and finally said something.
I think it's important for every teenager to start learning self-sufficiency and independence at a younger age. I am surrounded by so many college seniors who don't know how to balance a checkbook or can't book an airport shuttle without calling their parents. This is a good way (and a good excuse) for your daughter to start learning how to deal with certain issues on her own (like getting a ride with a friend to the prom dress store or taking a walk to the grocery store for shampoo.)
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When my mom got diagnosed for the second time in 2000, I was 11. I was so mad that something so bad could happen to MY mom. But I was also very mad that my mom and dad weren't going to be giving me 110% of their time. My mom and I began fighting a lot! I was so mad that we didn't have the money for me to go to the movies or go to the mall. I was so mad at her and my dad. All my mom did was put her hand up and walk away from me. She always told me to get over myself and if i wanted the "luxuries" in life to go get a job and get them myself.
But it all came down to the fact that I didn't want the designer clothes and all that, i just needed my mom and dad's attention! We went to family counseling and I went through anger management and I went to see my own counselor. I was diagnosed with depression, bipolar and anxiety.
By going to see my counselor I was able to get off my meds and I was able to become closer with my mom and actually find out what exactly was happened! If I hadn't gone through counseling and anger management I would have never found out what life was about! Not sweating the small things and living life one moment at a time.
My parents taught me work ethics and how to grow up at such a young age. I was taught not to depend on anyone but myself! Tell her if she wants all the "luxuries" in life to go get a job and to start saving for a car and when you fight put your hand up and walk away. But hold your ground! Don't give in, she will just become spoiled and think she can get everything and anything that she wants from you! Feel free to message me if you would like! Good Luck!
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