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  • HappyTrisha
    HappyTrisha Member Posts: 614
    edited March 2012

    I am one of the "older" members of this forum, having started posting at the beginning of 2004, diagnosed at the end of 2003.  I don't remember ever reading the degree of coldness and hostility that I've been reading lately.  NOBODY owns the Stage IV forum, by the way, other than BCO.  This is a public forum.  I don't know all of the issues regarding consternation about "inappropriate" posts but I think I have read that it isn't a constant problem.  In any event, if it isn't a problem that is totally out of control on a daily basis, how about this?  It seems that enough of the Stage IV members have a clear idea about what isn't appropriate here such as lower stage women asking if their symptoms are similar to those of a Stage IV person, etc.

    How simple would it be when one of those crop up for a Stage IV poster to GENTLY tell a poster that there are certain areas that are considered to be more appropriate posted in one of the other forums, and then just guide the person there?  Is that really so difficult?

    Nobody here corners the market on fear.  There are Stage I women who seem to live with and in mortal fear all the time, and I've seen some of the best-adjusted Stage IV women that I've ever had the privilege to read, posting here on Stage IV. 

    About the Moderators.  How easy it is to take shots at them.  They have my greatest respect, because the entire BCO at times turns into a horror-show hotbed, and quite a few women have left here in disgust because of gang-ups, disagreements, and major personality conflicts.  Hell that stuff happens on totally mundane forums.  Imagine how it is to keep the peace for women who are going through the throes of breast cancer?  I think we have an amazing group of moderators who do their very best to try to work things out.  With some of the strident shots taken at them because they aren't doing any personal babysitting for some women who feel that they should get front and center attention, I'm impressed by their gentle and loving responses.  I fear that I would want to tell some of the women to go pound sand (and I wouldn't be surprised if that feeling isn't elicited by some of the crap thrown at them.)

    To you moderators, I offer you my most sincere thanks.  You have been anchors here and have done the job beautifully for as long as I've been here, and that would be better than 8 years now.  Thank you for the care and support you never fail to show.

    If I ever come across information that I consider to be germane to Stage IV women, check it out.  I'm going to post it.  And you don't have to thank me for it.  I post because I care, not because I need! 

  • SuperFoob
    SuperFoob Member Posts: 505
    edited March 2012

    Well...I guess it's good I started out as a metster...I post all over the friggin place!

  • HappyTrisha
    HappyTrisha Member Posts: 614
    edited March 2012
  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited March 2012

    Trisha,

    We agree!  "NOBODY owns the Stage IV forum, by the way, other than BCO."  

    That's why I asked my question about what BCO thinks is proper for that section.

    An official policy would stop this four year debate in its tracks. 

  • lrr4993
    lrr4993 Member Posts: 937
    edited March 2012

    As is evident by the recent rant about daring to tell a stage 4 woman she is brave, I think it is safe to say that the only safe ground on the stage 4 forum is "I am sorry" or "I am praying for you" or "Hugs"; and even then you will probably offend someone.   Best to just stay away.  Of course, then you are being offensive for ostracizing them.  

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited March 2012

    I'm pretty sure that thread was a reaction because of yet another brand new poster who wanted us to describe our symptoms in order to compare them to her mother's symptoms; her mother who may or may not be Stage IV.  She started out the thread by saying we were all brave.  

    But, I didn't start it, I don't know.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited March 2012

    Irr4993, thank you for a much needed laugh today. As someone said before, I wish I had a "like" button.

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited April 2013
  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited March 2012

    I have great respect for all the ladies here and I'm close to some higher stage sisters because I care......but.............

    I really don't like the expression US & THEM  Frown

    It doesn't sound right.

    Hugs♥

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited March 2012

    I agree Day.. we should not close it.. no way. 

    I like being of use and helpful.  I very rarely send private messages but will occasionally.  I imagine that if a poster were directed to a forum where appropriate answers could be had more handily, that would be welcome.  Personally, if i resent the intrusion I ignore a post.   someone else will take care of it.

     I'm sure a way will be figured out to convey that stage 4 is kind of special.. we need something positive in this sucky place we're in... and if we are special... than so be it.  

     I am assured that most people would very willingly respect that.  

     Again, a rewording, perhaps a popup  and light handed moderation should 'fix' this.  (and thanks to the wonderful mods.. I love how you are all so personally involved. and support everyone.  that is really cool.)

     I love that I have encountered you, Day,  and particularly your awesome cream of wheat dumplings.. i actually make them all the time, since i am a chicken soup lover.  they are beyond awesome

  • sincitydealer
    sincitydealer Member Posts: 2,712
    edited March 2012

    Love the "donnybrook" term, scuttlers.  The thread pinned at the top of stage lV could very well end up that way, but we'll give it a chance.  Who knows, maybe it'll work.

    All of you have made very good points.  The wording at the top of stage of the stage lV forum should probably be a little more clear as to what's appropriate and what's not.  There sure has been a rash of inappropriate posts the last couple of weeks.  I didn't respond to any of them because I could see trouble coming.

    The Mods do a really great job, but they can't be everywhere.  Sending them a pm or figuring out some other way to let them know about inappropriate posts seems to be the only way to go.  Hopefully, the members can police themselves.  These kinds of posts are going to keep on happening whether a new topic is started or it's posted in the non stage lV thread.  I certainly don't envy the Mods their job.  They really show a lot of restraint.  I don't know if I could be so patient.  It's hard to hold your tongue and temper while trying to keep the peace.

    Peggy 

  • sincitydealer
    sincitydealer Member Posts: 2,712
    edited March 2012

    You are special, apple.Kiss

    Peggy

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited March 2012

    Off topic; but what a beautiful picture, Apple!

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited March 2012

    I hate the Us vs. Them terminology too. I have good and bad days as a stage IV person and I don't take offense easily but...I do resent being lumped in with whoever the "them" are that it's best to stay away from. Painting a whole group of very diverse people with such a broad brush is unkind.I also know I'm a fool for jumping into this fray!

    Caryn  PS: I love your pic too, apple!

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited March 2012

    Please nobody take this personally, but it is interesting to watch this all unfold. I've read a couple of times that this is an ongoing problem. I don't think so, but to each his own. Sure it happened before, then it blew over and people moved on in many different ways (mostly started ignoring the forum which I think is kinda sad). I don't think it would have to continue but .... would it really be a problem if the pot was left "unstirred"? I like the lyrics in a song which about sums it up. "Don't start somethin', won't be nothin". I have to admit I'm fascinated by all the flip-flopping going on since the last time this was a hot issue. Darn my eidetic memory!  I suppose it is a women's perrogative to change her mind. Anyway, just my thoughts. Gives me something to read in the wee hours of the sleepless nights.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited March 2012

    While I'm reminiscing, and this is a question for the older members. My memory has failed me here. I have forgotten the member name of one of the posters that I always looked up to. Her avatar was of herself (a beautiful, classy looking lady) holding her little white dog. She was wearing a blue dress and sitting in a Victorian-style chair. She had liver mets and had been in remission for three years. She described her liver mets looking like a lace curtain. If I had seen her name in the Angel's list, I would have recognized it. She's not there. Does anybody know what happened to her?

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited March 2012

    Tricia .. thanks for posting.  It's good to hear from the oldtimers.

    I honestly don't understand how newbies can accidentally wander into a Stage IV forum.  When I was new and scared, I still could tell the difference in the forums.  I've had some symptoms of things and MRI's, but I would never dream of asking the Stage IV gals for their input.  It's just commonsense.

    I think some people just don't have a lick of sense .. and that probably won't change.

    Bren

    PS .. Gracie .. I know who you're referring to, but I can't remember her name.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited March 2012

    I remember her real name, just not her screen name. I came onto the Stage IV forum when I was first diagnosed (all I had at the time was two tiny little bone mets) and absolutely freaking out. I could barely read the screen, I was crying so hard. She answered one of my ridiculous posts and told me her story and gave me so much hope. It's funny the people that stick in your mind. Some have such a big impact. It saddens me that I don't even know what happened to her.

  • D4Hope
    D4Hope Member Posts: 352
    edited March 2012

    I really don't think people mean to be unkind and I don't think anyone who comes here and asks questions out of fear lack common sense either. I am not stage 4, but I had a friend who was.

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited March 2012

    gracie1, I wonder if the lady you are asking about is in the address book?

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited March 2012

    Maybe bc.org could provide the stage IV'ers a private thread.........just one private thread where they can talk privately.......only accessible by a password like TimTam had with a breast reconstruction thread and can only be read and seen by themselves.......invitation only.........(one must apply to have the password)

     I can't help but think that what many of the stage IV'ers just need is some privacy from everyone that is not where they are in their bc journey.........there must be things that they would like to discuss that they don't want everyone to see including us (not stage 4'ers) and their own families........(husband, children, parents, sisters, brothers, bosses).....if they have their own private thread all of these other irritations would be eliminated........and maybe they could get some peace.........

    Just a thought.......

    shokk

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited March 2012

    D4hope .. I really do think that some people lack commonsense.  My best friend in the whole world is Stage IV, but I don't ask questions about it on the forum.  If I have any questions, I can PM one of the gals. Sometimes I feel at a loss as to how to help her, so I just follow her lead.

    hugs,

    Bren

  • Denise2730
    Denise2730 Member Posts: 648
    edited March 2012

    When I first joined BCO I inadvertently posted in a stage IV Forum because I just looked at Active Topics and was promptly rebuffed by a member. However, another, very sweet lady on that forum sent me a PM and told me not to be offended, etc. I don't remember who it was but her kindness was the main reason I stayed on BCO.

    Removing Stage IV posts from Active Topics seems a good solution to me.

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited March 2012

    Eidetic memory  - super cool~!

     commonly referred to as photographic memory, is a medical term, popularly defined as the ability to recall images, sounds, or objects in memory with extreme precision and in abundant volume. The word eidetic, referring to extraordinarily detailed and vivid recall not limited to, but especially of, visual images, comes from the Greek word εἶδος

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited March 2012

    I have a photogenic memory.

  • Druanne
    Druanne Member Posts: 295
    edited March 2012

     When I was first diagnosed with breast cancer, my doctor put her hand on my leg.......tears in her eyes (she has been my doc for 13 years) and told me "I'm so very sorry, you have invasive ductal carcinoma"............at that very moment I thought I had two weeks to live.....since then, I have gathered as much information as possible........had a successful lumpectomy, and am now going through radiation......even though I am only stage one, it is forever now in my brain that I have had cancer and there is a good chance it is coming back and that it will be what takes me from my loved ones someday........I recently started a new job after 19 years of aviation maintenance......I am now a licensed real estate broker......my first day on the job I was brought around and introduced to all the other people in the office........my new manager stops at the front desk by a woman and says...........well now Druanne, you and "so & so" have something in common......I was thinking........oh, is she in aviation?? Connected to the airport somehow??? He announces......"you both have breast cancer"!!!!! There were many others in the room and all fell silent...........here I am, stage 1, no chemo.......small successful lumpectomy........and there she was..........new hair growing back, little rubber finger tip thingys because of numbness, telling me of how she got compression socks from her sweetheart for Valentine's day because she can no longer feel warmth in her feet......adding, "well at least you got to keep your beautiful hair"..........I felt HORRIBLE and ANGRY for this man to have singled us out this way.........AND, I felt terrible for having HAIR.......I told her thank you and that I was lucky my oncotype score had come back low...........she says, Oncotype score?? What is that>????? I felt even WORSE! I explained to her what it was and she says, yeah well my tumor fed on estrogen...........and I said, yes I am estrogen positive too........then there was a great silence.......I didn't know what to say.......I felt so hurt for her.......and said something stupid about my hair like, well maybe next time when my cancer comes back, I will lose it all and make a wig out of it......I can't stop thinking about her and wishing I could have had it worse so I could relate more and let her know how much I feel for her and emphathize with her........and I really do.......even though I am just a "lowly" stage 1.......we are all scared, we all just want to live............I chose to tell no one about my breast cancer before this job and the only reason I did was because they wanted me to start training @ 8am that next Monday.......I had to tell them that I had radiation every morning for over a month.....

    Here's some warped thinking.......I don't tell people about my BC because I think they will think me a weak person.........plus I cannot stand people looking at me everyday and putting on that concerned face........you know the one..........and asking......."how are you?"...........

    Thanks for letting me ramble........I have just finished my second beer this evening.........haven't drank in months so I am sure I have loosened my tongue up a bit in doing so............

    Hugs, love and hope to you all <3

  • JillThut
    JillThut Member Posts: 1,470
    edited March 2012

    I enjoyed your "ramble" Druanne. I can relate to the not feeling weak thing. Always wore a wig in public vs a scarf or hat because I didn't want to look like a cancer patient...didn't want the sympathy or have people turn away from me because they feel uncomfortable. Did put on the 'cancer look' once at the Dept of Motor vehicles ....notorious for excruciatingly long lines...thought maybe I'd get a pass to go in front of some people......if you ever wanted to play the cancer card CT DMV would be the place! Got no sympathy...still had to stand and wait! :)

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited March 2012

    What if we tried it for a week?

    Just to see how it worked.

    I can PM Ann or any other MBC ladies I know instead of posting.

    I no longer think the reasons matter at all because a number (not all) of MBC women are bothered by all lower stage posts, no matter how kind or helpful. 

    I wish it was not this way for the following reasons: 

    Personally, I think it's important for MBC women to be connected with the community as a whole, for purposes of advocacy. After all a fair chunk of us will end up there, we should all advocate for reasearch and services and inclusiveness for MBC. This starts with understanding and having a personal stake.

    I know Konakat thought this whole thing was ridiculous and wanted the support.

    As a journalist I believe in the power of sharing stories. I think the "car crash" poster was a little off...car wrecks are really not that interesting most of the time. People problem solving is much more interesting.

    I also think the internet just does not behave in tidy ways.

    People kind of do what they want.

    On my weddings forum the newlyweds were always getting mad at the brides-to-be for posting wedding questions in our newlyweds forum.

    On blogs or twitter or FB women of various stages interact freely...and I think are better for it. 

    But what I think does not matter.

    If I can make some MBC women happier by not posting at all I have done something good for them.

    I don't think it will always have to be this way...but what if we all tried it for a week? 

    I would rather be part of a solution than a problem.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

       When I was lst diagnosed I did not even know what Stage lV was......did not find out until I got there.  I must have tougher skin than some of you because when I see people who are posting something like I am scared to death I am going to die, I try to respond to them because I am sure they really are scared.    I respond to them not because I want to scare them even more by letting them know I went to stage lV from barely a stage at all , but to give them hope that IF it does happen, it is something they can live with.  If I have something to say to someone that I don't want on the public thread of think will offend someone, I PM that person.  

    I myself would not want to be restricted to only posting on the Stage lV forums since I have a lot of friends who are not Stage lV.   I look at active topics and look at the topic, not the forum it is in.   If something catches my eye or if it is something I think I know something about or maybe I don't know, but am interested in, I post.   I agree with you all who don't  like the them and us.....makes it seem like we are going back to days of segregation and the question is, who gets to sit in the back of the bus? 

    Isn't the point of this organization to help each other regardless of what stage we are?  Just MHO.      Marybe

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited March 2012

    i like being of help and service and i assume most people do.. and/or need help.  this is a very cool place to be a part of the solution.

    Breastcancer.org is a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing the most reliable, complete, and up-to-date information about breast cancer and breast health as well as an active and supportive online community.

    and btw Druanne, i really enjoyed your 'beery' post.. I wish there was more beer in my life.  I do have cheap wine but it is awful.  congrats on the job and may you find new friendships.  People really do not know what to say or do sometimes..

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