ER\PR 40 percent positive...still worried...

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lamps03
lamps03 Member Posts: 5

Hi

Im ER/PR 40 pc +ve..but im still worried as it is not very high percent of positivity...How much of a differnce it makes between a 40 pc +ve or lets say 80 pc +ve....Also, please share your own percentage of +veness.... 

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  • Janie-bug
    Janie-bug Member Posts: 181
    edited March 2012

    Im not sure what difference the percentage makes. Maybe someone else does so I maybe they will come along and let us know. My was 90% postive

  • jenlee
    jenlee Member Posts: 504
    edited March 2012

    My report says ER+ 60% and PR+ 50%, but both "favorable."  I too was wondering how favorable...I did a brief search the other day, but wan't able to find anything.

  • Maja2213
    Maja2213 Member Posts: 28
    edited March 2012

    lamps03 -- I was told my MO it is not how much of a percentage such as 40% or 80% that matters as much as the intensity which on my report was 80% ER+ at a +1 intensity.  The intensity could be 1, 2, or 3.  When my oncotype report came back, for their purposes, I actually had slipped into the ER negative category.  I thought someone had messed up.  How do you go from 80% ER+ to ER- with a stage 1a tumor?  That's when my MO showed me the +1 intensity.  Since I was simultaneously having the FISH test done, I found out at the same time that I was Her2+ so I was doing chemo anyway.  If you are Intensity 3, you are getting the most benefit out of hormone therapy for the percentage of cells that test ER +.  I guess, and it just a guess, that those who are over 90% ER+ with a 3 intensity benefit the most from Tamoxifen or AI's.

  • diamondslayer
    diamondslayer Member Posts: 19
    edited March 2012

    I am still waiting for my onco to come back with results. In the mean time, not on anything or doing any treatments, just waiting, wondering. Who tells you what your onco is? The surgeon, the oncologist?

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited March 2012

    In my case my BS told me. He was the one who ordered it. I think in most cases you find out from the person who ordered it.

  • diamondslayer
    diamondslayer Member Posts: 19
    edited March 2012

    Ok, thanks for the info. I see him tomorrow. Maybe he'll have my results or something good to tell me. HUGS

  • diamondslayer
    diamondslayer Member Posts: 19
    edited March 2012

    My Onco came in today to the bs office. I called to make sure they faxed a copy to the MO I see on Monday. Only thing I could get out of the ps nurse is that my score is 23. :(  So we'll see what the rest of it says and if I have to do chemo.

    I had more than one tumor in my breast. Apparently the larger one was IDC with ER/PR+ greater than 90% and strong staining. The other ones were ER+ 30% moderate staining, and PR+ 50% strong staining. I suppose I'll ask the MO on Monday what that all means. The larger tumor was found by me and the other, apparently unrelated tumors were found by MRI, not mamo or US.

  • lamps03
    lamps03 Member Posts: 5
    edited March 2012

    ER is 40 pc +ve with moderate intensity and PR is 40 pc +ve with strong intensity.......Is there any way to test ER/PR again over the time period...

  • lamps03
    lamps03 Member Posts: 5
    edited March 2012

    Also,I have 23 lymphnodes removed with none being positive for Cancer...I have not seen anyone with so many LN's removed...has this weekened my immunity to fight cancer and increased chances of recurrence as LN's act as filters i guess....

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited March 2012

    diamondslayer, my Oncotype score was very close to yours. It was a 24. It was left up to me to make the decision. What a horrible place to put anyone in my opinion.

    lamps03, that is a lot of nodes to remove. I wish I could answer your question about the weakened immune system. I will suggest you check the thread about lymphdemia though. As I understand it the more nodes removed the higher chance of having it.  At least they are negative which is a good thing.

  • diamondslayer
    diamondslayer Member Posts: 19
    edited March 2012

    Lamps03, my neighbor had 22 nodes removed. She does get lymphadema but she deals with it. She had a radical mx 22 years ago. She is still doing fine!!!

    Kira1234, they left it up to you? Ya, that is horrible to do that I agree! I'm not sure what my MO has in store. My results just came in on Fri to my bs office and they faxed them to the MO. Don't know if he even had time to look at them before my appt on Mon. I guess if it is left up to me to decide, I will opt for chemo just to be on the safe side. What was your decision and are you in treatment now? I'm getting anxious over this chemo business, I have had a couple of waves of nausea the past few days. I know its panic.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited March 2012

    diamondslayer, it will be 2 years for me in July.Smile I am on one of the Al,s and will be for 4 more years. I can remember so well the fears of chemo both taking it, and it coming back if I didn't take it. I'm sure between you and your Onc. you will make the right decision for you. I will say the Dr's seem to push more for chemo if under 60, and not so much for those who are over 60. I think all are waiting to find out the results of the testing going on currently.

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited March 2012

    I had 17 lymph nodes removed in 1982 along with a mastectomy. I never got any lymphedema -the possibility wasn't even discussed in those days.  I was a marathon runner at the time and got back into running after 3 weeks. Maybe that helped; eg pumping my arms that much and that often. Who knows?

    In any case I was cancer free until last year when I got a new primary in the other breast.

    Best of luck to you!

  • lamps03
    lamps03 Member Posts: 5
    edited March 2012

    In my biops its mentioned 23 Reactive Nodes removed....My doctor saya that none of the lymphnodes are involved but anyone has any idea about Reactive...what does that mean???Do Non-Reactive means LN is affected....

  • luckypenny
    luckypenny Member Posts: 150
    edited March 2012

    Not to complicate things.... But my pathology report has two different percentages for both er and pr. I didn't have oncotype because I was node positive so my path report is based on two biopsy testing and a sample from surgery. My er was 57% in first sample and 69% in second sample. My pr in first sample was 0% and second sample 2% which they considered positive ( I think very very weakly positive). I am her 2 negative.

    They did calculate my ki67 score was was very low and favorable at 7. Sure wish I had oncotype but at the end of the day, I have done everything I could possibly do to ensure a favorable long term outcome.



    I had these same questions in the past regarding the meaning of the percentages so I was glad to read the threads.

  • 7of9
    7of9 Member Posts: 833
    edited March 2012

     My ER (both?!) is 95%!!! Not sure if good or bad? I'm doing neoadjunct chemo with not much results from the AC (DONE!) although some small shrinkage and softening. 1 Taxol done and 3 to go! I have a prelim surgery date of June 1st. 

    Hoping not a lot of shrinkage on AC (my doc didn't expect a lot) is because mine is not aggressive? Although stage 2b my surgen wanted to try to shrink down my tumors (2 or 3 and diffused) to go for lowering reoccurance. I love that they talk about getting through this crap and trying to hold off or prevent a reoccurance! I didn't get the intensity grade, something was a grade 2 (I think how like/unlike the cancer was to normal cells). This is not going to take me down in round 1 baby! Sorry if my spelling is crappy too...

  • LouLou40
    LouLou40 Member Posts: 180
    edited April 2012

    My ER was 40% PR10% weak staining.

    I was put on an AI for a yr but had to stop due to osteoporosis and my ONC didn't think that hormone therapy mattered for me even when my period returned - I was 40 at dx

    He said chemo and herceptin were far more important than hormone therapy for my BC and he thought the potiential tamoxifen SE's out weight the benefit.

    I feel if my hormone receptors were higher then he would have recommended tamoxifen.

  • calamtykel
    calamtykel Member Posts: 1,187
    edited April 2012

    Mine was 70% er positive.  I asked the doctor if hormone therapy would benefit me and she said that there really isn't any difference in the percentages as far as prognosis  that ER + is ER+.  That seems odd to me but I don't see any stasitics anywhere asking for the percentage, such as places like Lifemath, so I think the prognosis is the same.  It does depend on the Grade -1, 2 or 3, more than the "percent" I believe -

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