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  • christina1961
    christina1961 Member Posts: 736
    edited March 2012

    Kristy,

    I wish I knew the answer to your question- I don't know what is the "new normal" and what could be a problem sometimes.  I just got finished with a clinical trial of extra chemo and I had a lot of bone and  muscle aches during the trial.  It is already starting to get better but I have some minor pain on my non cancer side rib area that I am keeping a watch on.  I have always had tender ribs and tissue on the radiated side since radiation.   If the other side rib pain doesn't go away soon, I will mention to my oncologist.  He is really good about ordering scans. My last CT scan was in October 2011.

    Lovelyface, I think my MO said my markers were at 36 the one time I asked.  That is one thing I don't ask about for some reason.  I stress out enough on everything else. Smile He told me under 40 was normal. I would ask your MO Friday about it and see what he says .

  • Luah
    Luah Member Posts: 1,541
    edited March 2012

    Lovelyface: Tumour markers are notoriously unpredictable and unreliable, which is why many oncs (all at my cancer center that I know of) don't use them unless they are following advanced disease progression. Please don't let them work you into a frenzy, especially as you are still well within the normal range!  

  • Fighter_34
    Fighter_34 Member Posts: 834
    edited March 2012

    Lovelyface you are a very informed patient and I admire that. Never thought about recording my stats.

    Christina-the muscle aches will last for awhile. I know mine did. It pretty much took a year for mine to subside. I was fine while I was moving but if I sat down and tried to get up. I felt like a 100 year old woman.

  • Lovelyface
    Lovelyface Member Posts: 674
    edited March 2012

    Luah:  I am so happy to hear that Tumor Markers are used for advanced disease progression.  I am relaxed and happy today after reading all your comments.  I am putting together my list of questions today for the Onc. tomorrow and believe me, revisiting cancer issues is no fun.  I hate it.

    Christina1961 - I just wanted to suggest to you and others who wants to try this - to massage your breasts and entire rib areas with coconut oil each night as you prepare for bed.  I have found this therapy to be the best thing ever.  I used to have a lot of very sharp pain underneath my breasts and there used to be lumps I used to feel.  I asked quite a few doctors what they were, they said they didn't know.  By massaging they continue to go away.  Every once in a while they come but with massage they do go away.  In my opinion, I feel they are some sort of liquid which collects in the lymph nodes.  Either the liquid formation is from having chemo or maybe from menopause, both of which happened to me at around the same time.

    Get pure coconut oil from an East Indian store, they have the best.  Costco has it too, however, I am not sure why their's don't have any smell, which means that it is probably processed.  I was born and raised in Fiji Islands, and I have first hand knowledge about coconuts, which is the most pure oil ever.  Everything about a coconut is pure, the water inside the shell, the oil, the milk.  Coconut oil when rubbed on the scalp gives you healthy lushes hair, so for those of you who want their hair back really fast after chemo, use coconut oil, massage the scalp, and wash it the next morning.

    By massaging your rib and breasts, one can also get really familiar with their bodies, lumps, surgical scars, etc.  This works great for me.

    Hope everyone has a great day.  It is raining here today in the Bay Area, California.

  • Sugar77
    Sugar77 Member Posts: 2,138
    edited March 2012

    Lovelyface - just as Luah commented, tumour markers are not checked at my cancer centre either. Glad to hear you're feeling more relaxed about things. Let us know how your visit goes tomorrow.

  • christina1961
    christina1961 Member Posts: 736
    edited March 2012

    Thanks for the tip, Lovelyface!  I will look for the coconut oil - if the non-Costco oil smells like coconuts, I would prefer that over a coconut oil without scent.  I see my MO tomorrow, too. 

  • OBXK
    OBXK Member Posts: 791
    edited March 2012

    I just realized, I'm not feeling scared. What a wonderful realization! I hope it lasts. It is so hard to live your life, always looking over your shoulder.



  • Paintingmywaythru
    Paintingmywaythru Member Posts: 317
    edited March 2012

    I have been away from this board about a week and jsut catching up

    Beccad-I am so sorry about your news.Hang on and make a plan, you can do this!

    OBXK- so glad your scan came back clean. What a reason to celebrate

    Lovelyface..my numbers are inthe 20's and my onc says they are normal..makes me freak out but I can't control things there.

    Laura....know you are such an amazing woman and I get so angry at this #%%$$# cancer. I hope you know we are all here for you for always.

    Suze hi there if you are lurking.

  • mccrimmon324
    mccrimmon324 Member Posts: 1,076
    edited March 2012

    OBXK - Wonderful!  I love those moments when I completely forget and life feels normal again.. 

  • laurajane
    laurajane Member Posts: 321
    edited March 2012

    Good morning ladies. Just thought I'd check in and say hi.



    MBJ- thank you for your message. Have you considered getting another opinion. How on earth can they give you an time estimate on living when there are so many chemos out there that you haven't even tried? I just don't get it.

    Ive got a lot on my mind. I realize that with me they can't even give me an accurate estimate because my cancer is moving so fast. The pain is increasing by the day. I am meeting with hospice today at 1:00. I just pray I can be here for my sons graduation. I have a birthday coming up next Saturday, I'll be 49yrs old. Hard to believe. I'm stuffing myself with herbs and meditating. I need to get some things in order. I'm going to talk to some friends about funeral arrangements. I guess I'll see if I can prepay for my creation. All really boring stuff but I want my kids to have to deal with as little as possible. I'm sure my friends will help.



    The best thing that happened to me yesterday. I received a phone call from one of my contractors yesterday morning. He had called the day before to see how I was doing. I told him the news. Yesterday he called and said " Laura Jane, what are you doing next Monday?" I told him "nothing really I would be at home". He said " Good! I'm bringing my crew over to build that deck you've always wanted, so when your too weak to go down the stairs to your gardens you'll still be able to enjoy them". I burst into tears and told him "thank you, but I just don't have the money and I doubt I'll be able to work this spring", he said," it's not going to cost you anything, I just want you to be able to enjoy looking out at all you've done and see your plants and those fish you love". I told him in-between tears how happy that made me and I didn't know how to say thank you for such a wonderful gift. He said my thank you was enough. You guys, I just can't believe it. I've wanted a deck for so long but I've been dreaming about it for the last week and really regretting not having had one put in while I was working. There always seemed to be something more important. When I was feeling good I never really thought about when I wouldn't have the energy to walk down the stairs, other than many times when I was doing chemo I thought about it. But I always thought I'd beat this FC too. I'm still in shock. He's always been so sweet but it's always been business and let me tell you, we have often conflicted over pricing. I contract him for things my crew doesn't do like masonry, concrete and decks etc... What a genuinely nice, big hearted man. So nice to share something happy with all of you.

  • laurajane
    laurajane Member Posts: 321
    edited March 2012

    Ha ha! Not creation I meant cremation. Kind of ironic. LOL



    Wish they had a guide book " things to do before you die" you know? With a checklist or something. How lucky I feel in a way to have the knowing and be able to write letters to my kids and not procrastinate on things. In the past its been so easy for me to say, not right now, maybe tomorrow. I find that I am doing this much less. I'm rambling but I feel good in my heart today. Hope you all have a great day too!

  • TifJ
    TifJ Member Posts: 1,568
    edited March 2012

    LJ- What an awesome gift from the contractor! I admire that you are taking matters into your own hands and dealing with all the "boring" stuff so your kids won't have to. I wish you were not in so much pain. I hope you have some good days and are able to enjoy your birthday next Sat.!! You are in my thoughts daily and wish you a happy day!

  • Lovelyface
    Lovelyface Member Posts: 674
    edited March 2012

    Laurajane, What a wonderful man, this contractor.  You must have rubbed your beautiful soul on him, that's why his big heart is showing.  I hope you have many many more years to enjoy your new deck with comes with so much love.  And you, MaryJ and Suze are the strongest women I have ever known in my life, I swear.  I actually put myself in your place and can't even imagine how I would make arrangements for myself.  I must admit that I have gained a lot of strength by just being on this board, putting myself in others' positions.  While some women I know don't even want to ever talk about their experience, I actually want to experience the worst side of it, so that this ugly beast never gives me the kind of shock it has given me once.  Oh, by the way, I have been making short videos these past few years for family and friends on various subjects such as retirement, birthdays, life histories, etc.  These days I am planning to make one on my life, the title I have thought about often would be something like - "Innocence Lost"......  to me this disease makes a person lose their innocence about life, it makes you see reality so upclose.  Does this make sense?

  • Lovelyface
    Lovelyface Member Posts: 674
    edited March 2012

    My Onco. said that he had not even noticed my rise in CA27-29 since it is not out of range (mine is 17, over 34 is out of range).  Then he said something which I was not able to grasp - but that my biopsy might have impacted the test and that's what made it rise a bit. I was not able to ask him to explain this to me. I will try to research on the internet.  Regarding my neck pain, he is a little concerned, but asked me to see my primary care doctor for pain managment and see if it goes away.  If not I see him in 3 months when he will do some imaging, or I can see him sooner if I feel like it is a concern.  Overall, it was a pleasant visit with him and I am now relieved over the tumor marker test, however, can't wait for one more test to show that it has gone down.

  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 4,352
    edited March 2012

    LAURAJANE:  Honey, I thought I was doing so well and I wanted to design and somehow give you a kitchen at cost.  I wish you knew someone there who could do the work. 

    Hearing about your deck is the best news I have heard all day.  The man who is doing this is truly an angel!  You are so full of love you just so deserve this!!!

    As far as chemo they will do a re-check on the 15th.  Acording to the last tests I am full of cancer of the bones and liver.  Their isn't a second opinion -- no insurance and  I am at county, but I am getting great treatment.

    Real PT hopefully starts Monday.

    To everyone else, I read but don't have the energy to reply or respond.

    BIG HUGS!!!!

  • ksmatthews
    ksmatthews Member Posts: 812
    edited March 2012

    LJ that is just awesome you are getting a deck!  How nice of him.  You are such an inspiration to all, and how great of you to think ahead for your kids.  I think all adults should do this no matter what the situation.

    MBJ  so sorry for what you are going through.  I really hope they decide to try another chemo!  Never give up! 

  • TifJ
    TifJ Member Posts: 1,568
    edited March 2012

    MBJ- don't worry about replying- just concentrate on getting stronger. I am glad you are getting great treatment- hope they are keeping you as comfortable as possible.

  • christina1961
    christina1961 Member Posts: 736
    edited March 2012

    LJ, What a great gift!  It's funny how some of the people we never expect to help or even call are the ones who come through with something wonderful like that.  I had a friend, but not a close friend, a contractor also - who called me every two to three weeks during my initial chemo.  It really touched me.  I hope you really enjoy the deck - do you have koi?  I think they are gorgeous. I have a big hole in my yard and a concrete fountain with faces that has been waiting for a few years now to become a pond with fountain.

    MBJ, You never have to respond but hopefully knowing we all care and want you to get better will help you feel better and not as lonely.  During my days in bed during this, it always particularly helped me to connect here. 

    Lovelyface, I bought some coconut oil - it is Tree of Life organic refined coconut oil.  No smell, really, but it really moisturizes - even better than the grapeseed oil I've been using. 

  • laurajane
    laurajane Member Posts: 321
    edited March 2012

    MBJ- you are so sweet. Oh, and how I had hoped to help you with the landscape for your new home. I hoped to have the energy to come down. Maybe someday. Fingers are crossed. I'm also glad you have good care. I wish you good outcomes on the 15th. It's so nice to see your smiling face on here.

    Lovelyface- I'm wishing for your markers to come down too.



    Thanks to all of you for the sweet responses to my surprise. He doesn't even know it's my birthday next week. What a wonderful gift. Only you ladies can understand that it's so much more than just a deck. It's ironic that someone else really treated me horrible on the same day someone said they would do something really nice. Tears of joy were more plentiful than tears from the hurt. That's a good thing.



    I'm getting a brain scan on Monday. I've had these weird vision things and headaches woke up this morning and the corner of my eye is blackened. Freaky. Hopefully it's all just due to the increase of pain meds or stress. I met with Hospice today. She came by to discuss things with me but I won't actually sign up until after my scans. I see my onc again on Tuesday. Wishing you all sweet dreams.

  • inmate4232010
    inmate4232010 Member Posts: 310
    edited March 2012

    Laurajane....sweet dreams to you my dear.  

    MBJ.....so happy to hear you are being treated well.  i always loved PT as it gave me that extra boost of adrenaline that always made me feel better.  i hope it gives you that extra boost as well.

  • christina1961
    christina1961 Member Posts: 736
    edited March 2012

    Inmate,

    Has your rash resolved? They thought I had shingles on my face but I think it was herpes simplex because I've had it before on my face near my eye. It was during this last chemo and has healed now.

  • christina1961
    christina1961 Member Posts: 736
    edited March 2012

    Laura,

    I hope your symptoms are just stress and medication. I got some ocular migraines during the eribulin with weird zig zaggy patterns. I had had them before years ago so I knew what it was but the chemo seemed to possibly set them off again.  Over two weeks out from chemo now and haven't had them again.

  • laurajane
    laurajane Member Posts: 321
    edited March 2012

    Christina- you described my vision problems to a Tee that is exactly what it is and it did start mildly at fist at about my 2nd week. But now I've had this kind of headache over my right eye and forehead that feels like I've been hit with a baseball bat. Not constant though. Oh, how I hope your right. Yes I do have koi hybrids from japan although the first few were just starter koi from the petstore. I just love them. They are my babies but they have grown so much a couple of them are I think about 18" long now. Most of them came from a breeder in Seattle Wa. that flies to japan several times a year.

    I hope you can put a pond in this year. If it's installed correctly with the right materials and equipment they can be very low maintenance. I've installed several over the years for clients.



  • LRM216
    LRM216 Member Posts: 2,115
    edited March 2012

    LJ - Just read the posts on the deck and am so happy for you.  I am totally convinced that angels do exist and come to us in the form of very dear special people that make our lives brighter.  I am hoping that all of your head problems are merely stress, as you certainly have an abundance of that to deal with on top of everything else you are dealing with.  I know it must sound trite to you by now with all of us constantly reminding you, but once again, you are a truly totally amazing and awesome woman.

    MBJ - Keep on keeping on - I will not stop hoping for positive news for you.

    All good wishes to everyone on this forum,

    Linda

  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited March 2012

    Thinking of everyone and luv to all.

  • TifJ
    TifJ Member Posts: 1,568
    edited March 2012

    How are you Bak?

  • Cocker_Spaniel
    Cocker_Spaniel Member Posts: 1,204
    edited March 2012

    Just reading all you brave ladies posts.

    Lovely face - Innocence Lost is a great name but I'm sure you don't need to even think about this.   My oncologist said markers go up and down all the time and really mean little. All will be well I am sure of it.

    MBJ & Susan - hope you are feeling good today and are comfortable.  Sending you lots of warm fuzzies. How are the cooking shows going.

    Laurajane.  So glad you are getting your new deck.  Hopefully your headaches are just stress. It's amazing what stress can do to a person. We won't even think about 6-9 months, this will just not happen.  Have you started your Metformin yet.  This may possibly be your answer. 

    I am in for my port on Tuesday and then 2nd chemo on Wednesday.  Bit nervous again so hopefully all will go according to plan.

    Sending you lots of love and hugs ladies.  This cancer will not be the end of us we will fight and go on fighting.  Annie    

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited March 2012

    Hi all, I am an old timer on BCO not TN..but my friend is and has mets...

    anyone have a recommendation a good onc for triple negative in LA or

    southern california...would really appreciate you help

  • TifJ
    TifJ Member Posts: 1,568
    edited March 2012

    SoCal- I can't think of anyone who regularly posts here that has mets and is from LA or Southern California. We have one that recently moved away from LA, but she was not diagnosed with mets until after. Perhaps someone will come along that knows someone that can help!! Always happy to see an "old timer"!!

  • LRM216
    LRM216 Member Posts: 2,115
    edited March 2012

    SoCal:

    Go on over to TNBCfoundation.org and send a message to "Steve" asking for assistance with a doctor in that area.  He will reply with much info.  He is a patient advocate for us triple neg's and also lives in California, so this will be a real easy one for him.  Also can help in getting your friend seen like yesterday.  Good luck.

    Linda

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